Muslim attacks gynecologist

Collin

world wrote:

holy shit, im sure its not all muslims doing it, but isnt it mostly muslims burning cars?

The majority was indeed Muslim or of (North) African origin. But the riots didn't have anything to do with their faith. Is that so hard to understand, the riots were about unemployment, police harassment, poverty and discrimination.

That fact that you attribute these riots to the fact that these kids are Muslim just shows your ignorance on the subject. It's asinine comments like the one you made that perpetuate prejudice and these horrible stereotypes . And it's this prejudice that was part of the reason why these kids rioted.

Open

WindNoSail wrote:

I wonder why it would even be neccessary to find a female doctor? Do we need to create a whole seperate society for Muslims so that we can be sure and adhere to their religious beliefs? Do you want a Muslim run town to live in Cate? You don't seem like the kind of girl to put up with a bunch of male religious zealots telling you how to live so I guess you wouldn't.

How inconsistent it is that in a Muslim society that adheres to the tenants the way it appears that the clerics and radicals support, would not even allow for a female doctor to exist. They don't let their girls go to school, right? Then this guy demands a female doc!

This just shows that Islam has some serious internal problems and inconsistencies in its teachers, clerics, etc. And ya, the guy is a dumbass but I say he was TAUGHT to be a dumbass.

"Look at all the crime in the US, it's those damn christians that are responsible. I think christians are just evil and it's a violent religion."

Sound familiar? Open your mind and stop looking at things so black and white. Ever stop to wonder how many muslim births there have been in france and how many dr's were beat up as a result?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/20/AR2006022001197.html

Mother Says God Told Her to Cut Baby
Associated Press
Tuesday, February 21, 2006; Page A07


McKINNEY, Tex., Feb. 20 -- A woman accused of killing her 10-month-old daughter felt that God was commanding her to cut off the baby's arms as well as her own limbs, a state psychiatrist testified Monday.

Dena Schlosser saw a TV news story about a boy being mauled by a lion and thought it was a sign of the apocalypse, a delusion that led her to sever the arms of her baby, David Self said.

"She felt she was basically commanded, in essence, to cut Maggie's arms off and her own arms off, and her legs and her head, and in some way to give them to God," said Self, who evaluated Schlosser in the months after her arrest.

Police found Schlosser in her living room, covered in blood, still holding a knife and listening to a hymn. She had sliced deep into her own shoulder and chopped off her baby's arms. Schlosser, 37, has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, and her attorneys are trying to prove she did not know right from wrong when Margaret, also known as Maggie, was killed.

Prosecutors, who are not seeking the death penalty, argue Schlosser knew what she was doing and should be sent to prison for life. If found not guilty, Schlosser would be hospitalized.

world

Collin wrote:

The majority was indeed Muslim or of (North) African origin. But the riots didn't have anything to do with their faith. Is that so hard to understand, the riots were about unemployment, police harassment, poverty and discrimination.

That fact that you attribute these riots to the fact that these kids are Muslim just shows your ignorance on the subject. It's asinine comments like the one you made that perpetuate prejudice and these horrible stereotypes . And it's this prejudice that was part of the reason why these kids rioted.

Actually you are right, when the people rioted in L.A. during the 90s people didnt say "Christian riots."

But, I find the economy in France interesting. France has had massive unemployment the past few decades. One of the factors is that younger people wait longer and longer before they start working. So when the government tries to reform the youth labour market, it is met with rioting?

Collin

world wrote:

But, I find the economy in France interesting. France has had massive unemployment the past few decades. One of the factors is that younger people wait longer and longer before they start working. So when the government tries to reform the youth labour market, it is met with rioting?

I'm not condoning this behaviour. I just said that it didn't have anything to do with religion.

Pearl Jam and toast

CorporateWhore wrote:

Hahhahahahahaha, that guy kicked the gynie's ass for checking out his wife's janx.

Stupid idiot. That's not a Muslim problem - that's a dumbass problem. He's just a dumbass.

thank you.

Byrnzie

I wonder if he copped a feel?

NMyTree

CorporateWhore wrote:

Hahhahahahahaha, that guy kicked the gynie's ass for checking out his wife's janx.

Stupid idiot. That's not a Muslim problem - that's a dumbass problem. He's just a dumbass.

Well, his dumbassness was based in Islamic beliefs, so I'd say it is about the religion.

Granted the guy is a dumbass before and after religion. But this particular dumbass behavior was indeed rooted in his religion.

A Surprise Left

Did this guy think the doctor was getting some sort of kick out of seeing his wife's vagina? He would see so many of them, it would not affect him in the slightest. What a moron.....

Kann

Collin wrote:

The majority was indeed Muslim or of (North) African origin. But the riots didn't have anything to do with their faith. Is that so hard to understand, the riots were about unemployment, police harassment, poverty and discrimination.

That's actually exactly the reasons accepted by almost everyone in France. Following the riots, these points were to be resolved. One year later nothing had changed (the riots were in 05 btw), and the media was proud to announce the number of burnt cars matched the passed year.

Also, election time is up for France right now and candidates are making their voices heard on some subjects. A story like this for example is a way for the media to help politicians react on muslims in France. It seems (since 2002) unemployement, poverty, riots and islma are linked for politicians and they intend to do something about it. If such stories appear in the news, I have to say it is for a political agenda (in my town, drunk shits hit on doctors every week end, and I don't hear about it on national news). Islam and muslim immigration are a big issue of the forthecoming elections.

angelica

catefrances wrote:

...i can tell you that i would take a person's religious tenets into account if it were possible just out of sheer respect for them as a fellow human. and consider the fact that i have a zero tolerance for religion.

Good for you! It's amazing how intolerance for the beliefs of others is so rampant. And the blindness that comes with holding one's hands over one's eyes is a little mind-boggling at times.

MrBrian

NMyTree wrote:

Well, his dumbassness was based in Islamic beliefs, so I'd say it is about the religion.

Granted the guy is a dumbass before and after religion. But this particular dumbass behavior was indeed rooted in his religion.

just because he said it was his religion, does'nt mean that's what is true.
Nothing in Islam about not allowing someone of the other sex to perform anything related to medical stuff.

The guy in the article is just a nutter.

Coming back to life

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boxwine_in_hell

miller8966 wrote:

France: Muslim Jailed for Attacking Gynecologist

A French Muslim who attacked a male gynecologist for examining his wife in a hospital delivery room just after a complicated birth, saying it was against Islam, has been jailed for six months by a Paris court. The police had to intervene to remove the 23-year-old man, who said he had requested a female doctor. "This is a public and secular place," a prosecutor, Georges Holleaux, said. "This is not the place where one can invoke religion to get different treatment."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/26/world/europe/26briefs-frenchmuslim.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

I have a similar story that I personally witnessed. When me and my wife had our first son, in the room right next to us we kept hearing this terrible moaning all night long like somebody was dying and this woman was talking to herself over and over again in some language I didn't recognize. I finally asked our nurse what the hell was going on over there? She said that it was a very orthodox and strict Muslim couple and apparently she had been in labor for about 30 hours and was having all kinds of problems because her husband would not allow the doctors to give her an epidural. So we had to listen to this all night and it was horrible. Later that morning I had gone out to the waiting rooms to give my in-laws an update on how my wife was doing and when I came back to our room, I hear all this shouting and general pandamonium going on next door and I can hear the doctor saying..."Sir if we don't get her a C Section in the next couple of hours, your wife will die." Apparently this freak didn't want his wife to have any medication and a C Section was out of the question. Why they were even at a hospital if he felt this way I'm not really sure. Well eventually the guy got so irate and out of control that they called security and the cops and he was taken away in handcuffs, while they took his wife away for a C Section. If it hadn't been for the doctors and the fact that he got arrested, I think he would have let his wife die in child birth. Needless to say, it wasn't exactly what you want going on in the room next to you when your trying to keep your own wife that's about to give birth, calm and relaxed. I was kind of secretly hoping that the dude would come in my room so I could beat his ass but alas Allah didn't allow this to happen because I was ready. The longer that dude let his wife suffer I just kept getting more and more angry.

angelica

boxwine_in_hell wrote:

I have a similar story that I personally witnessed. When me and my wife had our first son, in the room right next to us we kept hearing this terrible moaning all night long like somebody was dying and this woman was talking to herself over and over again in some language I didn't recognize. I finally asked our nurse what the hell was going on over there? She said that it was a very orthodox and strict Muslim couple and apparently she had been in labor for about 30 hours and was having all kinds of problems because her husband would not allow the doctors to give her an epidural. So we had to listen to this all night and it was horrible. Later that morning I had gone out to the waiting rooms to give my in-laws an update on how my wife was doing and when I came back to our room, I hear all this shouting and general pandamonium going on next door and I can hear the doctor saying..."Sir if we don't get her a C Section in the next couple of hours, your wife will die." Apparently this freak didn't want his wife to have any medication and a C Section was out of the question. Why they were even at a hospital if he felt this way I'm not really sure. Well eventually the guy got so irate and out of control that they called security and the cops and he was taken away in handcuffs, while they took his wife away for a C Section. If it hadn't been for the doctors and the fact that he got arrested, I think he would have let his wife die in child birth. Needless to say, it wasn't exactly what you want going on in the room next to you when your trying to keep your own wife that's about to give birth, calm and relaxed. I was kind of secretly hoping that the dude would come in my room so I could beat his ass but alas Allah didn't allow this to happen because I was ready. The longer that dude let his wife suffer I just kept getting more and more angry.

I can completely understand how this was not an optimal situation for your wife or yourself to experience at such an important time in your lives.

And at the same time, it's pretty clear that that majority of people from East to West are caught up in their own ethnocentric viewpoint. When we cannot see beyond our own cultural position in order to achieve true understanding of another, the easy way out is to impose our belief systems on them and expect them to live by our standard of "right". It gets interesting to me, though, when we're so fearful and afraid that others might want to turn it around on us. It's not a wonder that we live in fear of what we do unto others when we impose our standards, and we are so uncomfortable with the idea that they might want to do it back to us at some point. We'll go to great lengths in making them wrong, rather than understand. All the while we comfort ourselves imagining that the evil is "out there", in "them", rather than within all of us. (and I'm generalising here, and not only speaking to you, boxwine_in_hell)

boxwine_in_hell

angelica wrote:

I can completely understand how this was not an optimal situation for your wife or yourself to experience at such an important time in your lives.

And at the same time, it's pretty clear that that majority of people from East to West are caught up in their own ethnocentric viewpoint. When we cannot see beyond our own cultural position in order to achieve true understanding of another, the easy way out is to impose our belief systems on them and expect them to live by our standard of "right". It gets interesting to me, though, when we're so fearful and afraid that others might want to turn it around on us. It's not a wonder that we live in fear of what we do unto others when we impose our standards, and we are so uncomfortable with the idea that they might want to do it back to us at some point. We'll go to great lengths in making them wrong, rather than understand. All the while we comfort ourselves imagining that the evil is "out there", in "them", rather than within all of us. (and I'm generalising here, and not only speaking to you, boxwine_in_hell)

I am a very open minded person, however if you are putting your religious beliefs before your wife and child's safety and in this instance even their lives then they could have been Hindus from Antarctica and it would still be wrong in my book.

angelica

boxwine_in_hell wrote:

I am a very open minded person, however if you are putting your religious beliefs before your wife and child's safety and in this instance even their lives then they could have been Hindus from Antarctica and it would still be wrong in my book.

And that's completely fair.

I just don't see it as anymore universally "right" than his views which he probably viewed as superior to your own. Yeah, in North America, we have certain laws and rules that reflect the majority and the major cultural beliefs. That's removed from Truth however.

B nice

christians kill docters as well
so what

god is for idiots

enharmonic

There comes a time when even the most religious person has to make a choice. That choice should always be life. Allah wouldn't have allowed them to seek help from a hospital if it was against Islam.

This is an instance where claiming your religion doesn't permit thsi or that should earn you a kick in the balls. If his wife would have died, you can bet that there would have been legal action against the hospital. How "Muslim" would that have been?

I have no respect for people who hide behind their religion in the face of obvious medical necessity.

angelica

B nice wrote:

christians kill docters as well
so what

god is for idiots

Maybe it's not as much God, as it's our own foolish egotistical self-importance that makes us so sure that we're right. It's all good and fine for ourselves. I don't know about others, but when I make tough moral decisions, sometimes I barely know what's right for myself, much less the fact that I'm entirely and completely ill-equipped in deciding for others when I don't have the same inner criteria to judge by that they do. No, it doesn't seem to me like this is about God at all.

darkcrow

not condoning the actions of this idiot... but i wonder what the wife wanted/asked for/felt? did she feel the same way? did she also want a female doctor? just a thought....