This thread has done a great job of exposing the hypocricy, bitterness, and just plain irrational viewpoint of the American Left.
This is viewed as trash...we should not watch it...it's propoganda...
Yet Spike Lee brings up good points. We need to listen to him and all the others (Zinn, Chomsky, etc) because they really open our minds. It's completely plausable that Bush blew up the levies, that he masterminded 9/11....but criticizing the Clinton Administration's handling of Islamofascism...that's just crazy! Do you guys realize that the movie also criticizes the Bush Administration?
Reliving Katrina (while ignoring the local response so we can only focus on Bush) is a constructive activity to get at government accountability. But discussing 9/11 is drilling for fear.
Again, the alternative universe you live in...wow.
Did you see Spike Lee's documentary? If you haven't, let me explain - it consisted of actual people actually affected by Katrina and contained actual footage of the actual event. No fictionalized dramatizing, no voice-overs, no re-enactments. Just people in front of a camera telling stories. And it wasn't really kind to anyone in government. You're just going to have to accept the fact that any analysis of Katrina is going to make Bush look bad. Blowing up the levies? Yeah, there were a few people interviewed who believe that theory. You know what else the documentary had? Interviews with people that think the theory is a bunch of crap.
As for this 9-11 movie - I've yet to read anyone on the right comment on that Reagan documentary being pulled. Any takers? Now, personally I think the Democrats are going to shoot themselves in the foot by protesting this too much (counter points would be better). But, still, no explaination about how this is different than the outrage over the Reagan documentary.
If there were nothing to hide, it'd be no big deal.
The fact of the matter is just like with Katrina, nobodys hands are clean. Everyone is trying to cover thier own asses and each political party could and is blasting the other when it's esssentially the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.
This is not all Bushes fault, neither is it Clintons, or HW Bushes and so on and so forth. It's a combination of bad decisions, poor decisions, bad luck, bad judgement and overall poor leaderhship. In effect its the result of political parties worrying more about grabbing votes than leading the country.
Politics is supposed to be a public service, NOT A CAREER.
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This thread has done a great job of exposing the hypocricy, bitterness, and just plain irrational viewpoint of the American Left.
This is viewed as trash...we should not watch it...it's propoganda...
Yet Spike Lee brings up good points. We need to listen to him and all the others (Zinn, Chomsky, etc) because they really open our minds. It's completely plausable that Bush blew up the levies, that he masterminded 9/11....but criticizing the Clinton Administration's handling of Islamofascism...that's just crazy! Do you guys realize that the movie also criticizes the Bush Administration?
Reliving Katrina (while ignoring the local response so we can only focus on Bush) is a constructive activity to get at government accountability. But discussing 9/11 is drilling for fear.
Again, the alternative universe you live in...wow.
When is the last time you thought for yourself?
The problem is not with Clinton or Bush, it's that ABC and Scholastic are producing school materials based on this miniseries that suggests there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11 when the facts clearly state there was not.
It's America and sure- freedom of press but Fahrenheit 9/11 was not used as educational material in schools and neither should this slanted view.
This thread has done a great job of exposing the hypocricy, bitterness, and just plain irrational viewpoint of the American Left... Do you guys realize that the movie also criticizes the Bush Administration?
Reliving Katrina (while ignoring the local response so we can only focus on Bush) is a constructive activity to get at government accountability. But discussing 9/11 is drilling for fear.
Discussing 9/11 is very good. Fictionalizing it into a mini-series is blatantly wrong.
Holy fucking shit. Scholastic was going to use that?! :eek:
And that letter is right, no one should fuck with Peter J's legacy like that. That's all fine and fabulous if they want to release a pile of b.s., but don't try to pass it as the truth and market it that way (and to kids!).
Yes, so write your school and tell them not to use this!
I've yet to read anyone on the right comment on that Reagan documentary being pulled.
I had no problem either way with the Reagan movie. I thought it was in bad taste but CBS had the right to show it or not to show it depending on what they thought was best for their business just like ABC does here. Even if this is aired, I probably will find something better to watch anyway.
Now for the left. Where are all those on the left who cried "censorship" when the Reagan movie was pulled yet seem to not be so adamant about this being shown?
I had no problem either way with the Reagan movie. I thought it was in bad taste but CBS had the right to show it or not to show it depending on what they thought was best for their business just like ABC does here. Even if this is aired, I probably will find something better to watch anyway.
Now for the left. Where are all those on the left who cried "censorship" when the Reagan movie was pulled yet seem to not be so adamant about this being shown?
I consider myself a lefty - and as such, was never a huge fan of Clinton anyway. And, controversy or not - same as the Reagan film - I probably wouldn't/won't watch it. However, I don't particularly like the idea of "Path to 9/11" being used as an educational film; nor do I consider a dramatization of 9/11 to be equivalent to an actual documentary like "When the Levees Broke."
I consider myself a lefty - and as such, was never a huge fan of Clinton anyway. And, controversy or not - same as the Reagan film - I probably wouldn't/won't watch it. However, I don't particularly like the idea of "Path to 9/11" being used as an educational film; nor do I consider a dramatization of 9/11 to be equivalent to an actual documentary like "When the Levees Broke."
The idea of using this thing as a teaching tool is pretty scary. I guess it wouldn't be the first time schools taught distorted versions of history to kids, though.
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I consider myself a lefty - and as such, was never a huge fan of Clinton anyway. And, controversy or not - same as the Reagan film - I probably wouldn't/won't watch it. However, I don't particularly like the idea of "Path to 9/11" being used as an educational film; nor do I consider a dramatization of 9/11 to be equivalent to an actual documentary like "When the Levees Broke."
I actually don't have a problem with either, all information is slanted, I want my kid to be able to figure out the slant, why, where, and how it gets in there and be able to think critically. Most of that gets left until college, because our version of education is so vanilla due to so many parents being "outraged" that thier little ankle biters might deciminate information that they disagree with. It comes from all sides. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to teach history, social science or government or gasp....biology
Ultimately most of us (in this forum) will be watching educational TV anyway reading or doing something else. The majority of the documentaries I watch are Public Broadcasting. Honestly, when was the last time you watched anything of merit on the networks? I mean I'm a sports nut, but other than that? I really don't watch anything.
I honestly hope to raise a child that comes to me and says two following phrases.... Daddy, don't feel bad...It's all Corporate Bullshit..... and then... Daddy, it seems to me like the majority of politicians are full of shit!
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I generally dislike the use of movies as educational tools with the exception of documentaries ie. BBC or Natural Geographic educational types. Too often they are used as educational crutches for teachers who are too unoriginal or apathetic to actually teach the material and depend on blockbuster.
Materials that publishing company Scholastic intended to use in conjunction with the program have been pulled from Scholastic's Web site.
"After a thorough review of the original guide that we offered online to about 25,000 high school teachers, we determined that the materials did not meet our high standards for dealing with controversial issues," Dick Robinson, head of Scholastic, said in a statement.
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This whole thing cracks me up!!! It's okay for the Gov't to twist the truth a bit to gain political and finacial support, but it is wrong for anyone else to do it??? What a load of shit!!! Looks like both sides are flinging poo like a bunch of primates. Who cares!!! Your both a bunch of crooks:)
This thread has done a great job of exposing the hypocricy, bitterness, and just plain irrational viewpoint of the American Left.
This is viewed as trash...we should not watch it...it's propoganda...
Yet Spike Lee brings up good points. We need to listen to him and all the others (Zinn, Chomsky, etc) because they really open our minds. It's completely plausable that Bush blew up the levies, that he masterminded 9/11....but criticizing the Clinton Administration's handling of Islamofascism...that's just crazy! Do you guys realize that the movie also criticizes the Bush Administration?
Reliving Katrina (while ignoring the local response so we can only focus on Bush) is a constructive activity to get at government accountability. But discussing 9/11 is drilling for fear.
Again, the alternative universe you live in...wow.
well said. i just read through this and its absolutely hard not to laugh at these people.
This thread has done a great job of exposing the hypocricy, bitterness, and just plain irrational viewpoint of the American Left.
This is viewed as trash...we should not watch it...it's propoganda...
Yet Spike Lee brings up good points. We need to listen to him and all the others (Zinn, Chomsky, etc) because they really open our minds. It's completely plausable that Bush blew up the levies, that he masterminded 9/11....but criticizing the Clinton Administration's handling of Islamofascism...that's just crazy! Do you guys realize that the movie also criticizes the Bush Administration?
Reliving Katrina (while ignoring the local response so we can only focus on Bush) is a constructive activity to get at government accountability. But discussing 9/11 is drilling for fear.
Again, the alternative universe you live in...wow.
What is funny is how you GOP supporters so blindly support and defend one of the worst presidents of our times.
Besides, this thread is not about GW....it's about ABC/Disney trying to pass off a fictional movie as fact in regards to something so tragic as 9/11.
What amazes me is how abosolutely different this country thinks between political lines. I mean we see things so incredibly differently. And we are as split down the middle as we ever have been.
look, i don't watch made for TV movies anyway..so i could care less if its made. also, clinton didn't do too much as president but i can't blame him for sept.11th..we all dropped the ball on that one. but from everything i've read this is not a fictional movie.
its quite telling how the left never threatened michael moore, oh wait...they sat him right beside a former president at their convention. the party is in shambles, this is just further evidence.
but even if you eliminate half of it, it's still pretty good.
I mean not as good as 2600+ dead americans (in addition to tens of thousands maimed) and 120 dead iraqis a day. not to mention the loss of our world wide credibility.
I'm drunk right now and not sure what this thread is really about, but moveon.org (which I mostly trust) says the abc special is soooo right wing that it's ridiculous. On top of that I kinda love Bill Clinton. He's quite intelligent and such a captivating speaker....it's hard not to like him. Plus, the whole Lewinski thing.....probably 95% of men on the planet would have done the same thing so I don't get what the big deal is. It had nothing to do with him leading this nation. I'd much rather have an adulterer as a president than a mass murderer. EDIT: Again, I'm drunk so I apologize if this has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.....
peace? you think we were at peace throughout the 90's? WTC getting bombed by terrorists, embassy's getting destroyed, marine barricks getting leveled, USS cole being attacked while at port.....we weren't at peace, we just had a commander in chief that wouldn't fight back unless the polls told him to.
probaly cause the truth hurts, right blowjob billy?????
A miniseries about the events leading to the September 11 attacks is "terribly wrong" and ABC should correct it or not air it, former Clinton administration officials demanded in letters to the network. But in a statement released today, ABC said, "No one has seen the final version of the film, because the editing process is not yet complete, so criticisms of film specifics are premature and irresponsible."
it's probably been said already, but what they have issue w/ are the fictionalized parts of it, like when the cia says they know where bin laden is and they want to get him and berger and clinton say no...they admit this never happened, that it's one of those ficitionalized moments in it...but i would be pissed, too.
they hide behind 'we have a disclaimer saying some parts are fictionalized!!' but they know ppl will believe it -as you are demonstrating: 'the truth hurts'-
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it's probably been said already, but what they have issue w/ are the fictionalized parts of it, like when the cia says they know where bin laden is and they want to get him and berger and clinton say no...they admit this never happened, that it's one of those ficitionalized moments in it...but i would be pissed, too.
they hide behind 'we have a disclaimer saying some parts are fictionalized!!' but they know ppl will believe it -as you are demonstrating: 'the truth hurts'-
Exactly! And to then market something that is admittedly fictionalized to Scholastic as educational material! How can anyone defend that? For crying out loud, even Bill Bennett says it's wrong:
Well, maybe having been a cabinet member you know you have some heightened concern about being quoted accurately and correctly. Look, “The Path to 9/11″ is strewn with a lot of problems and I think there were problems in the Clinton administration. But that’s no reason to falsify the record, falsify conversations by either the president or his leading people and you know it just shouldn’t happen.
Conservatives have to be consistent Soledad, when the Reagan’s that show about the Reagan’s, CBS show came out, had all sorts of distortions and misstatements. Conservatives went crazy and had it relegated somewhere, I don’t know, it never appeared on CBS. And so I think they should be consistent. And when ABC comes out and has conversations taking place among cabinet members on recent history, on matters that are still before us, I think they should correct those inaccuracies.
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I can't find any responses (about 5 minutes of Google) from the White House or President Bush to Moore's Fahrenheit 9-11 to compare with the response Paths to 9-11 is getting from the Clinton party. Definitely both "camps" have been crying foul -- but from the actual sources itself, mano-y-mano, Bush and Clinton's reactions were polar opposites. (Bush to Fahrenheit, Clinto to Paths.)
So assuming both movies are critical of the two camps -- we have the utter ignore ploy and the ballistic legal missive ploy.
Mayhaps Bush had no factually inaccurate flags to wave at F911. Maybe he wasn't concerned with people taking it seriously, shaping public opinion, or was just scared silent by it. (Or, he's got some Shakespeares to read....)
So, F911 is all true and Bush ignores it. Or it's not true and he ignores it. Gives us no bearing really on why Clinton was so verbal on P911. It's true and he's calling it, or it's not true and he's calling it. Sufficient motivation is probably there for either case.
On this aspect alone, I would say Bush comes off the bigger man.
But it's certainly great PR all around.
From earlier comments here, I'm not too concerned any school administration would sign off on EITHER movie being shown -- but my gut tells me, giving their druthers, more teachers would show F911 than P911.
clinton didnt have the balls to make the call to get Bin Laden 3 times he didnt want the blood on his hands, neither did Tenet, Albright, or the other dim whit....we should have backed the N. Alliance, gone in and taken this guy out and thats that but instead Clinton orders rockets to hit a pharmacetucal plant that had nothing to do with Bin Laden..haha..that was almost laughable..how convienent the BJ Betty story came out around that time too to distract the rest of the world....the CIA and FBI (which neither organazition knew what the other was doing) and most of all Clinton should be held responsible for 9/11 and the movie on ABC hits the nail right on the head......this movie was based off mostly the Liberal 9/11 Commision reports...which makes it even more ironic...Clinton should be in jail and should have to answer to the 3000 plus dead people from 9/11, while we watch him parade around the world speaking about peace and blowing smoke out his rear...its a shame he left the Bush administration to pick up the pieces of 8 years of a worthless presidency...
this is also coming from a guy (meaning me) who isnt the biggest supporter of Bush whatsoever but to let this guy take the fall for Clinton is a shame
well so far the movie isn't bad. I'm sure that there is some fictionalized parts in it, but i'm not convinced that the fictionalized parts are character assassination attempts. I'm wouldn't be surprised if some people were scared of political fallout, I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton didn't make a call on some issues...he wasn't exactly a warring personality. I don't think too many people believe that how the movie portrays the conversations, is actually what occurred word for word. But i wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhat accurate of what occurred. I don't know and those involved sure as hell won't say (if i were clinton, albright etc... i wouldn't admit that's how it went down if it indeed happen) Overall, I think the hype of clinton et al being pissed just got more people interested. I liked the news reports after the airing that helped lend SOME credibility to the plot though, I thought that was responsible of ABC.
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clinton didnt have the balls to make the call to get Bin Laden 3 times he didnt want the blood on his hands, neither did Tenet, Albright, or the other dim whit....we should have backed the N. Alliance, gone in and taken this guy out and thats that but instead Clinton orders rockets to hit a pharmacetucal plant that had nothing to do with Bin Laden..haha..that was almost laughable..how convienent the BJ Betty story came out around that time too to distract the rest of the world....the CIA and FBI (which neither organazition knew what the other was doing) and most of all Clinton should be held responsible for 9/11 and the movie on ABC hits the nail right on the head......this movie was based off mostly the Liberal 9/11 Commision reports...which makes it even more ironic...Clinton should be in jail and should have to answer to the 3000 plus dead people from 9/11, while we watch him parade around the world speaking about peace and blowing smoke out his rear...its a shame he left the Bush administration to pick up the pieces of 8 years of a worthless presidency...
this is also coming from a guy (meaning me) who isnt the biggest supporter of Bush whatsoever but to let this guy take the fall for Clinton is a shame
They SAID it was based on the 9/11 Commission reports. That's not quite the same as actually BEING based on the 9/11 Commission reports. Members of the 9/11 Commission have said that the movie is filled with innacuracies and fabrications. One of the screenwriters has come right out and admitted that they simply made things up. Two FBI agents that were hired as consultants resigned because of falsehoods being presented as though they were facts.
This is exactly why it shouldn't have been aired ... because the more gullible viewers will believe that it's somehow connected with reality.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
but even if you eliminate half of it, it's still pretty good.
I mean not as good as 2600+ dead americans (in addition to tens of thousands maimed) and 120 dead iraqis a day. not to mention the loss of our world wide credibility.
but it's still pretty good.
It's pretty easy to be a leader in a time of economic abnormality, and by abnormality I mean the absurd economic growth that hit the U.S. in the late 90's. I often wonder how Clinton would have reacted to the economic turmoil (or relative turmoil) of the last 5 years. Would he be praised as much???? Something to think about....
I'm not a huge Bush advocator, but you have to always take the economic prosperity of a given era into cosideration of good leaders.
They SAID it was based on the 9/11 Commission reports. That's not quite the same as actually BEING based on the 9/11 Commission reports. Members of the 9/11 Commission have said that the movie is filled with innacuracies and fabrications. One of the screenwriters has come right out and admitted that they simply made things up. Two FBI agents that were hired as consultants resigned because of falsehoods being presented as though they were facts.
This is exactly why it shouldn't have been aired ... because the more gullible viewers will believe that it's somehow connected with reality.
most of what you have seen in this movie besides dialogue between tenet, albright and whoever else is fact...the pharmacutical bombing, the terrorist activity, the lack of action by Clinton and his administration...im not a gullible person i actually look this stuff up and this information is out there for you to check out
i know im pointing blame but how can you or anyone else not get mad watching this movie or researching that our government and the president in charge for 8 years at this time let us down but everyone wants to blame bush...forget the political parties we as people should start asking the right questions against the right people in our government
you all should do yourselve a favor and watch this, instead: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
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Rent it and don't believe 'docu-dramas' where writers are in charge, instead of historians.
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As for this 9-11 movie - I've yet to read anyone on the right comment on that Reagan documentary being pulled. Any takers? Now, personally I think the Democrats are going to shoot themselves in the foot by protesting this too much (counter points would be better). But, still, no explaination about how this is different than the outrage over the Reagan documentary.
The fact of the matter is just like with Katrina, nobodys hands are clean. Everyone is trying to cover thier own asses and each political party could and is blasting the other when it's esssentially the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.
This is not all Bushes fault, neither is it Clintons, or HW Bushes and so on and so forth. It's a combination of bad decisions, poor decisions, bad luck, bad judgement and overall poor leaderhship. In effect its the result of political parties worrying more about grabbing votes than leading the country.
Politics is supposed to be a public service, NOT A CAREER.
When is the last time you thought for yourself?
The problem is not with Clinton or Bush, it's that ABC and Scholastic are producing school materials based on this miniseries that suggests there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11 when the facts clearly state there was not.
It's America and sure- freedom of press but Fahrenheit 9/11 was not used as educational material in schools and neither should this slanted view.
Discussing 9/11 is very good. Fictionalizing it into a mini-series is blatantly wrong.
Yes, so write your school and tell them not to use this!
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I had no problem either way with the Reagan movie. I thought it was in bad taste but CBS had the right to show it or not to show it depending on what they thought was best for their business just like ABC does here. Even if this is aired, I probably will find something better to watch anyway.
Now for the left. Where are all those on the left who cried "censorship" when the Reagan movie was pulled yet seem to not be so adamant about this being shown?
The idea of using this thing as a teaching tool is pretty scary. I guess it wouldn't be the first time schools taught distorted versions of history to kids, though.
I actually don't have a problem with either, all information is slanted, I want my kid to be able to figure out the slant, why, where, and how it gets in there and be able to think critically. Most of that gets left until college, because our version of education is so vanilla due to so many parents being "outraged" that thier little ankle biters might deciminate information that they disagree with. It comes from all sides. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to teach history, social science or government or gasp....biology
Ultimately most of us (in this forum) will be watching educational TV anyway reading or doing something else. The majority of the documentaries I watch are Public Broadcasting. Honestly, when was the last time you watched anything of merit on the networks? I mean I'm a sports nut, but other than that? I really don't watch anything.
I honestly hope to raise a child that comes to me and says two following phrases.... Daddy, don't feel bad...It's all Corporate Bullshit..... and then... Daddy, it seems to me like the majority of politicians are full of shit!
Materials that publishing company Scholastic intended to use in conjunction with the program have been pulled from Scholastic's Web site.
"After a thorough review of the original guide that we offered online to about 25,000 high school teachers, we determined that the materials did not meet our high standards for dealing with controversial issues," Dick Robinson, head of Scholastic, said in a statement.
was like a picture
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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well said. i just read through this and its absolutely hard not to laugh at these people.
Besides, this thread is not about GW....it's about ABC/Disney trying to pass off a fictional movie as fact in regards to something so tragic as 9/11.
What amazes me is how abosolutely different this country thinks between political lines. I mean we see things so incredibly differently. And we are as split down the middle as we ever have been.
look, i don't watch made for TV movies anyway..so i could care less if its made. also, clinton didn't do too much as president but i can't blame him for sept.11th..we all dropped the ball on that one. but from everything i've read this is not a fictional movie.
its quite telling how the left never threatened michael moore, oh wait...they sat him right beside a former president at their convention. the party is in shambles, this is just further evidence.
yeah, all that peace and prosperity! Terrible.
here's a list of clinton's accomplishments.
http://www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/accomp.htm
and yes, bushies it's from a left leaning source
but even if you eliminate half of it, it's still pretty good.
I mean not as good as 2600+ dead americans (in addition to tens of thousands maimed) and 120 dead iraqis a day. not to mention the loss of our world wide credibility.
but it's still pretty good.
well, if they say so..it must be true. LOL
peace? you think we were at peace throughout the 90's? WTC getting bombed by terrorists, embassy's getting destroyed, marine barricks getting leveled, USS cole being attacked while at port.....we weren't at peace, we just had a commander in chief that wouldn't fight back unless the polls told him to.
it's probably been said already, but what they have issue w/ are the fictionalized parts of it, like when the cia says they know where bin laden is and they want to get him and berger and clinton say no...they admit this never happened, that it's one of those ficitionalized moments in it...but i would be pissed, too.
they hide behind 'we have a disclaimer saying some parts are fictionalized!!' but they know ppl will believe it -as you are demonstrating: 'the truth hurts'-
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Well, maybe having been a cabinet member you know you have some heightened concern about being quoted accurately and correctly. Look, “The Path to 9/11″ is strewn with a lot of problems and I think there were problems in the Clinton administration. But that’s no reason to falsify the record, falsify conversations by either the president or his leading people and you know it just shouldn’t happen.
Conservatives have to be consistent Soledad, when the Reagan’s that show about the Reagan’s, CBS show came out, had all sorts of distortions and misstatements. Conservatives went crazy and had it relegated somewhere, I don’t know, it never appeared on CBS. And so I think they should be consistent. And when ABC comes out and has conversations taking place among cabinet members on recent history, on matters that are still before us, I think they should correct those inaccuracies.
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So assuming both movies are critical of the two camps -- we have the utter ignore ploy and the ballistic legal missive ploy.
Mayhaps Bush had no factually inaccurate flags to wave at F911. Maybe he wasn't concerned with people taking it seriously, shaping public opinion, or was just scared silent by it. (Or, he's got some Shakespeares to read....)
So, F911 is all true and Bush ignores it. Or it's not true and he ignores it. Gives us no bearing really on why Clinton was so verbal on P911. It's true and he's calling it, or it's not true and he's calling it. Sufficient motivation is probably there for either case.
On this aspect alone, I would say Bush comes off the bigger man.
But it's certainly great PR all around.
From earlier comments here, I'm not too concerned any school administration would sign off on EITHER movie being shown -- but my gut tells me, giving their druthers, more teachers would show F911 than P911.
this is also coming from a guy (meaning me) who isnt the biggest supporter of Bush whatsoever but to let this guy take the fall for Clinton is a shame
This is exactly why it shouldn't have been aired ... because the more gullible viewers will believe that it's somehow connected with reality.
I'm not a huge Bush advocator, but you have to always take the economic prosperity of a given era into cosideration of good leaders.
most of what you have seen in this movie besides dialogue between tenet, albright and whoever else is fact...the pharmacutical bombing, the terrorist activity, the lack of action by Clinton and his administration...im not a gullible person i actually look this stuff up and this information is out there for you to check out
i know im pointing blame but how can you or anyone else not get mad watching this movie or researching that our government and the president in charge for 8 years at this time let us down but everyone wants to blame bush...forget the political parties we as people should start asking the right questions against the right people in our government
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
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Rent it and don't believe 'docu-dramas' where writers are in charge, instead of historians.
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