Clinton pissed at ABC

miller8966

probaly cause the truth hurts, right blowjob billy?????

A miniseries about the events leading to the September 11 attacks is "terribly wrong" and ABC should correct it or not air it, former Clinton administration officials demanded in letters to the network. But in a statement released today, ABC said, "No one has seen the final version of the film, because the editing process is not yet complete, so criticisms of film specifics are premature and irresponsible."

farfromglorified

The last thing this country needs is another drama-mentary. From what I understand, there are some big misrepresentations in this flick. I'd like to see the right leave the Michael Moore'ing where it belongs.....on the left.

EDIT: That said, Clinton and his cronies should probably shut up. If you have a problem with docu-dramas that play with the facts, attack all of them rather than just the ones that are aimed at you.

blackredyellow

That damn liberal media...

Who cares, it's a TV mini-series... It reminds me of the Regan mini-series getting pulled when all of the Regan supporters got their panties in a bunch over it.

Milhouse VanHouten

miller8966 wrote:

probaly cause the truth hurts, right blowjob billy?????

"blowjob billy"? he didn't give blowjobs, he recieved them, doy! that'd be like calling a heterosexual woman "cunnilingus cathy" or something. use your head next time.

Pickr

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

"blowjob billy"? he didn't give blowjobs, he recieved them, doy! that'd be like calling a heterosexual woman "cunnilingus cathy" or something. use your head next time.

Well we don't know if he gave blowjobs...He very well may have..So "alleged blowjob billy" may be better suited

Abuskedti

farfromglorified wrote:

EDIT: That said, Clinton and his cronies should probably shut up. If you have a problem with docu-dramas that play with the facts, attack all of them rather than just the ones that are aimed at you.

He he..

If you have a problem with a theif, attack all of them - Not just the one that has broken into your house.

farfromglorified

Abuskedti wrote:

If you have a problem with a theif, attack all of them - Not just the one that has broken into your house.

Agreed. Are you suggesting that there are theives I don't attack?

RainDog

Well, it seems as though ABC, at the request of the Clintons and the 9-11 Commission, has decided to trim out some of the "offending" material. Namely, they are supposedly cutting (or re-editing) the scene where Special Ops are about to kill Bin Laden (i.e., they're, like, centimeters from him), but are told to stand down. They've also decided to stop using "based on the 9-11 Commission Report" and start using something like "portions inspired by the 9-11 Commission Report."

I can't find the link, but I think it was in the Chicago Tribune (found it on Free Republic. Now there's a fun site to lurk around).

lalalalaaaaaaaa

I think Abe Vigoda said it best.

"Clinton's a schmuck!"

ledvedderman

I would take Slick Willy anyday over what we're stuck with now. So the guy got a blowjob. I would feel much safer with the Commander in Chief getting blowjobs, it's a stress reliever. It's not like he lied about reason to go to war and cost almost 3,000 people their lives.

hippiemom

miller8966 wrote:

But in a statement released today, ABC said, "No one has seen the final version of the film, because the editing process is not yet complete, so criticisms of film specifics are premature and irresponsible."

Then why did they send 900 copies to journalists and political commentators? Then sent out 900 copies in the hopes that no one would comment?! Right :rolleyes:

The same people praising this movie were simply aghast a few years ago when CBS tried to air their "docudrama" about the Reagans.

Milhouse VanHouten

Pickr wrote:

Well we don't know if he gave blowjobs...He very well may have..So "alleged blowjob billy" may be better suited

I was reading over the Starr Report recently (don't ask), and I'm not going to lie, that thing is graphic! Really graphic, but in a very sterile and clinical way. It's like a mixture of Penthouse Forum and The New England Journal of Medicine or something.

NMyTree

I'm not ashamed to admit I enjoy receiving blowjobs. If that would make me a bad president, then so be it:D

Seems to me, GWB Jr. needs to find himself a willing partner:D

May calm him down a bit and help him complete a whole sentence without stuttering, choking and gagging on his own words. (puns intended)

Abuskedti

farfromglorified wrote:

Agreed. Are you suggesting that there are theives I don't attack?

Give me your phone number.. next robbery I hear of, you can hop on and provide assistence.

Pearl Jam and toast

farfromglorified wrote:

The last thing this country needs is another drama-mentary. From what I understand, there are some big misrepresentations in this flick. I'd like to see the right leave the Michael Moore'ing where it belongs.....on the left.

EDIT: That said, Clinton and his cronies should probably shut up. If you have a problem with docu-dramas that play with the facts, attack all of them rather than just the ones that are aimed at you.

*nods*


p.s. At least he's not blow-up-tens-of-thousands-of-innocent-civilians Billy right? I guess we have our priorities right in this country... he got a BJ and cheated on his wife; impeach the fucker! Let the raving lunatic murderer not only go scott free, but let's fucking re-elect him! :rolleyes:

Jammin909

The White House is boring, getting a blow job on air force one should be a priority of every president during the first 100 days.

WMA

Just saw this letter that was sent to Disney from the Dem Senate leadership. Seems they are putting a little pressure on them:

September 7, 2006

Mr. Robert A. Iger
President and CEO
The Walt Disney Company
500 South Buena Vista Street
Burbank CA 91521

Dear Mr. Iger,

We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney's plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation.

The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events.

Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, "When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right."

Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong.

Despite claims by your network¹s representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the issues, disagree.

* Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, "As we were watching, we were trying to think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commission's findings the way that they had." ["9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased," New York Times, September 6, 2006]

* Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national security advisor to ABC has described the program as "deeply flawed" and said of the program's depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent, "It's 180 degrees from what happened." ["9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased," New York Times, September 6, 2006]

* Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served as a consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through because, "he thought they were making things up." [MSNBC, September 7, 2006]

* Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the miniseries, has admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. ["9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased," New York Times, September 6, 2006]

That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly and proven false recounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious questions about the motivations of its creators and those who approved the deeply flawed program. Finally, that Disney plans to air commercial-free a program that reportedly cost it $40 million to produce serves to add fuel to these concerns.

These concerns are made all the more pressing by the political leaning of and the public statements made by the writer/producer of this miniseries, Mr. Cyrus Nowrasteh, in promoting this miniseries across conservative blogs and talk shows.

Frankly, that ABC and Disney would consider airing a program that could be construed as right-wing political propaganda on such a grave and important event involving the security of our nation is a discredit both to the Disney brand and to the legacy of honesty built at ABC by honorable individuals from David Brinkley to Peter Jennings. Furthermore, that Disney would seek to use Scholastic to promote this misguided programming to American children as a substitute for factual information is a disgrace.

As 9/11 Commission member Jamie Gorelick said, "It is critically important to the safety of our nation that our citizens, and particularly our school children, understand what actually happened and why * so that we can proceed from a common understanding of what went wrong and act with unity to make our country safer."

Should Disney allow this programming to proceed as planned, the factual record, millions of viewers, countless schoolchildren, and the reputation of Disney as a corporation worthy of the trust of the American people and the United States Congress will be deeply damaged. We urge you, after full consideration of the facts, to uphold your responsibilities as a respected member of American society and as a beneficiary of the free use of the public airwaves to cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided program. We look forward to hearing back from you soon.

Sincerely,

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid
Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin
Senator Debbie Stabenow
Senator Charles Schumer
Senator Byron Dorgan

VictoryGin

WMA wrote:

Just saw this letter that was sent to Disney from the Dem Senate leadership. Seems they are putting a little pressure on them:

Holy fucking shit. Scholastic was going to use that?! :eek:

And that letter is right, no one should fuck with Peter J's legacy like that. That's all fine and fabulous if they want to release a pile of b.s., but don't try to pass it as the truth and market it that way (and to kids!).

miller8966

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

*nods*


p.s. At least he's not blow-up-tens-of-thousands-of-innocent-civilians Billy right? I guess we have our priorities right in this country... he got a BJ and cheated on his wife; impeach the fucker! Let the raving lunatic murderer not only go scott free, but let's fucking re-elect him! :rolleyes:

sure his incompetence only lead to 3000 deaths on 9/11.....he was a great president! white water! Mark Rich! wooo

lol i cant wait for his wife to lose

Pearl Jam and toast

miller8966 wrote:

sure his incompetence only lead to 3000 deaths on 9/11.....he was a great president! white water! Mark Rich! wooo

lol i cant wait for his wife to lose

Clinton was no great president, but you can't possibly sit there and say Bush is better. Bush is a pretty good model of everything a President shouldn't be.

BTW, Bush has killed over 30,000 innocent people in Iraq already... 30,000+american soldiers lost+future losses for both compared to 3,000?


As for Hilary.. I dunno if any real people (keep in mind, most politicians aren't 'people') want hilary to run... unless they want her to run so she'll lose..

-_-

Jeanwah

miller8966 wrote:

sure his incompetence only lead to 3000 deaths on 9/11.....he was a great president! white water! Mark Rich! wooo

lol i cant wait for his wife to lose

Um, no one died, when Clinton lied. Bush is almost at 6000 now, combining Iraq fatalities and 9/11. Let's just agree that he IS responsible for half of these, since it was his doing in starting a war.

Why anyone would want to watch fictionalized drama about a tragedy that happened just 5 years ago, is beyond me. I'm sure a documentary would be much more respected than this piece of trash. I commend anyone who stands out against such crap, I don't care what administration it is.

SuzannePjam

farfromglorified wrote:

The last thing this country needs is another drama-mentary. From what I understand, there are some big misrepresentations in this flick. I'd like to see the right leave the Michael Moore'ing where it belongs.....on the left.

I have yet to read a post about an actual lie MM told in F911. The best anyone could do was point out how a camera was turned off when a congressman said he had nephews who were going to serve in Iraq. But that's for another thread.

I wonder what Rovey boy promised Disney to have them get this film out by the mid term elections? I wonder if this "documentary" will have the part about Bush not reading the report "'Bin Laden determined to strike in the US"?

A few of the reported mistruths:

Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Clinton Foundation head Bruce Lindsey and Clinton adviser Douglas Band wrote in the past week to Robert Iger, CEO of ABC’s parent The Walt Disney Co., to express concern over “The Path to 9/11.”

Albright objected to a scene that she was told showed her insisting on warning the Pakistani government before an airstrike on Afghanistan, and that she was the one who made the warning.
“The scene as explained to me is false and defamatory,” she said.
Berger objected to a scene that he was told showed him refusing to authorize an attack on Osama bin Laden despite the request from CIA officials. “The fabrication of this scene (of such apparent magnitude) cannot be justified under any reasonable definition of dramatic license,” he wrote.

Lindsey and Band objected to advertisements for the miniseries, which they said suggested that Clinton wasn’t paying enough attention to the threat of terrorism.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14718803/

farfromglorified

SuzannePjam wrote:

I have yet to read a post about an actual lie MM told in F911. The best anyone could do was point out how a camera was turned off when a congressman said he had nephews who were going to serve in Iraq. But that's for another thread.

I'm not accusing Michael Moore of lying. I have no idea if he lied during F911. I've never seen it nor will I waste my time with it after BFC. The man's approach is not honest though.

The scene you discuss in F911 may not contain any outright lies. But at the same time it's completely dishonest because it asks people to sign their children up for the war, right? Problem is you can't sign a child up for the military, nor would any responsible, decent parent do something so idiotic. It's reducing an important issue to a circus farce.

Michael Moore has advocated a 70% tax rate. If I showed up at his house with a bill for 70% of his income and a camera, do you think he'd just hand over the money???

I wonder what Rovey boy promised Disney to have them get this film out by the mid term elections? I wonder if this "documentary" will have the part about Bush not reading the report "'Bin Laden determined to strike in the US"?

Doubtful, no more than F911 probably contained the information about Clinton's actual failures.

WMA

ABC/Disney is handling this rather poorly, no doubt.

I don't see why anybody would be pushing to have this thing shown as is anyway. I guess some people think that if it is shown and taught in schools suddenly it'll be true.

Yeah, lets mislead people and teach children how we want it to have happened. Show the lies! People will believe them!

Purple Hawk

Jeanwah wrote:

Why anyone would want to watch fictionalized drama about a tragedy that happened just 5 years ago, is beyond me.

Why would anyone want to watch fictionalized drama about a tragedy that happened just 1 year ago? The views towards reliving 9/11 and Katrina in the "alternative universe" is quite telling.

acroyear

What's amazing is that the Bush administration never attempted to censor Michael Moore...
There's the difference between Republicans and Democrats...

mtilden

farfromglorified wrote:

It's reducing an important issue to a circus farce.

You don't see the correlation of using a circus farce to draw attention to an entire system that's a circus farce?

WMA

acroyear wrote:

What's amazing is that the Bush administration never attempted to censor Michael Moore...
There's the difference between Republicans and Democrats...

There were a ton of Republicans who were going nuts about it. It was a whole different situation though, as it was going to theaters. They did work pretty hard to get the commercials removed from broadcast stations though. Disney even prevented Mirimax from distributing it in America because "releasing it would risk being dragged into a highly charged partisan political battle". So, the founders of Mirimax acquired the rights to it from Disney to release it through another company.

Pressure from Republicans also prevented a Ronald Reagan drama from being aired on CBS.

Jammin909

farfromglorified wrote:

I'm not accusing Michael Moore of lying. I have no idea if he lied during F911. I've never seen it nor will I waste my time with it after BFC. The man's approach is not honest though.

The scene you discuss in F911 may not contain any outright lies. But at the same time it's completely dishonest because it asks people to sign their children up for the war, right? Problem is you can't sign a child up for the military, nor would any responsible, decent parent do something so idiotic. It's reducing an important issue to a circus farce.

MM is a producer. GWBush is our president. They both stretch the truth to further their own agendas. Of course, a republican would hold more contempt for a movie producer than his own president who serves America a plate a hot-steaming shit everyday with half-truths.

Another difference is 9/11 was just a movie- not one fictional scene mind you. You had to pay to watch it at the theater, probably bc big corporate interests would not pay to fund such a thing.

Now comes along a republican slanted movie about 9/11 filled with fictional scenes and here comes Disney, ABC, and other corporations who will fund the show and pay huge amounts of money to have commercials on right before and immediately following this show. F9/11 also IS NOT being shown in SCHOOLS! The fact that corporate media is in our schools as learning material FUCKING SUCKS.

Jeanwah

Jammin909 wrote:

Now comes along a republican slanted movie about 9/11 filled with fictional scenes and here comes Disney, ABC, and other corporations who will fund the show and pay huge amounts of money to have commercials on right before and immediately following this show. F9/11 also IS NOT being shown in SCHOOLS! The fact that corporate media is in our schools as learning material FUCKING SUCKS.

You're right. Objectivity isn't even being taught in schools. I bet this fictional mini-series will make it into schools though...what a piece of trash.

Purple Hawk

This thread has done a great job of exposing the hypocricy, bitterness, and just plain irrational viewpoint of the American Left.

This is viewed as trash...we should not watch it...it's propoganda...

Yet Spike Lee brings up good points. We need to listen to him and all the others (Zinn, Chomsky, etc) because they really open our minds. It's completely plausable that Bush blew up the levies, that he masterminded 9/11....but criticizing the Clinton Administration's handling of Islamofascism...that's just crazy! Do you guys realize that the movie also criticizes the Bush Administration?

Reliving Katrina (while ignoring the local response so we can only focus on Bush) is a constructive activity to get at government accountability. But discussing 9/11 is drilling for fear.

Again, the alternative universe you live in...wow.