i love this freakin country. regulate everything so its 'good for you'. who does trans fat hurt except the people eating it? and where does this end? how many other foods harm us? are people gonna unite and ban sodas and candy cuz they have no nutritional value and are bad for your teeth? (oh wait, they already have from schools). and red meat...fritos...chips...etc etc. so why isnt alcohol banned? it by far has more ramifications if over-used than food.
from what i understand; the ban is for those who don't know it's bad for them. and also the office worker who eats lunch out every day. i remember when phen phen was killing people. everyone screamed WHERE'S THE GOVERNMENT AND WHY AREN'T THEY PROTECTING US. well; i guess they stepped in a little early; not enough people have died.
Aspartame has been shown to be safe for human consumption, with the exception of the specific people with the metobolic disorder mentioned in the paper. The phenylalamine that is realed by aspartame after it breaks down is L-phenylalamine which is an amino acid produced by the human body so it is safe. What is not entirely safe is the synthetic phenylalamine, D-phenylalamine, which is used in phenylketonurics which is an artificial sweeter used in Diet Pepsi. Phenylketonurics actually contains a combination of both types of phenylalamine known as DL-Phenylalamine. It is the synthetic portion of this amino acid that early tests have shown to have some side effects on the human body in high doses. So someone who drinks a lot of diet sodas can in fact be causing harm to themselves. Some as someone who eats food high in trans fats will be doing the same. Both the trans fats and D or DL-Phenylalamine are harmless is moderate amounts it is when we over-indulge ourselves that they become dangerous.
didn't 1 person die and 1 person have their lungs collapse when they entered the aspertame plant w/o a body suit?? i don't think i'd want to drink something that would make me die from breathing it, even if it is in low doses...didn't they do tests on 7 monkeys w/ aspartame and out of those 7 1 died and 5 started having grand mal <severe> seizures? it didn't get passed b/c it was dafe, it got passed b/c powerful ppl w/ connections pushed it <see 3rd youtube link>
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Aspartame has been shown to be safe for human consumption, with the exception of the specific people with the metobolic disorder mentioned in the paper. The phenylalamine that is realed by aspartame after it breaks down is L-phenylalamine which is an amino acid produced by the human body so it is safe. What is not entirely safe is the synthetic phenylalamine, D-phenylalamine, which is used in phenylketonurics which is an artificial sweeter used in Diet Pepsi. Phenylketonurics actually contains a combination of both types of phenylalamine known as DL-Phenylalamine. It is the synthetic portion of this amino acid that early tests have shown to have some side effects on the human body in high doses. So someone who drinks a lot of diet sodas can in fact be causing harm to themselves. Some as someone who eats food high in trans fats will be doing the same. Both the trans fats and D or DL-Phenylalamine are harmless is moderate amounts it is when we over-indulge ourselves that they become dangerous.
Someone well educated, such as yourself, thinking Aspartame is ever safe is the exact reason why this shit should be illegal. Let me ask you this: After watching those documentaries, would you allow just one piece of articially sweetened candy containing aspartame into your children's mouths?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Someone well educated, such as yourself, thinking Aspartame is ever safe is the exact reason why this shit should be illegal. Let me ask you this: After watching those documentaries, would you allow just one piece of articially sweetened candy containing aspartame into your children's mouths?
i agree with you; book; but there is so much more people need to know about their food and what they're really eating. i'm just tired of talking waiting for someone to hear.
peace
let's forget smoking... do you think contractors should be able to build with asbestos?
No I don't think they should be allowed to build with asbestos and I'll tell you why. With asbestos you have no control of wether you choose to breath it in or not. You can make the choice yourself when it comes to your own home, but not when it comes to your work place or business you may frequent to eat or shop in. Your employer, if he leases space out of an office building may have no idea that the space they are leasing was build with materials containing asbestos. You are unwillingly subjected to the dangers that it causes. With trans fats you have control wether you want to ingest it or not by simply choosing foods that do not contain it or where not prepared or cooked in oils containing trans fats. An example I worked in a building that had fire protecting coating on the steel frame that contained asbestos. My employer wanted to renovate the space and after construction started the asbestos was discovered. Unknow to my employer and all the employees that it even existed. With trans fats you know it's there. You know that most fried foods or greasy foods run a high risk of containing trans fats or prepeared/cooked in oils containing trans fats. You have the opportunity to make the choice wether you want to eat it or not. Same as with many other unnatural additives and preservatives that are added to most of our foods. You know they are there, same may not be good for you, but you ultimately make the decesion as to wether you want those additives and preservatives in your body or not. I understand where you are coming from and trust me I know we are better off without trans fats in our diet. I have worked closely with the pharmaceutical industry mostly on cardiovascular related drugsand know what these fatty acids can do to you. I just don't agree with NYC's decision. I am for a lesser role of government in our lives even if the role or action being taken by governemnt is a good one, we are opening the door for them to take furthersteps and the next action taken may not have the same positive effect.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Someone well educated, such as yourself, thinking Aspartame is ever safe is the exact reason why this shit should be illegal. Let me ask you this: After watching those documentaries, would you allow just one piece of articially sweetened candy containing aspartame into your children's mouths?
I don't let my kids eat candy to begin with, except on Halloween. When my kids want a snack they get organic fruits or vegetables. If you where to ask my 4 year old if he would want strawberries or a piece of candy and he will tell you he wants the strawberries. Their mother and I have taught them since they where small that fruits and vegetables are much better for them than candy .Also contrary to the documentaries moderate amounts of aspartame have been shown to have no side affects. I'm more concerned with D-phenylalamine.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I don't let my kids eat candy to begin with, except on Halloween. When my kids want a snack they get organic fruits or vegetables. If you where to ask my 4 year old if he would want strawberries or a piece of candy and he will tell you he wants the strawberries. Their mother and I have taught them since they where small that fruits and vegetables are much better for them than candy .Also contrary to the documentaries moderate amounts of aspartame have been shown to have no side affects. I'm more concerned with D-phenylalamine.
It wasn't the point if they eat candy over fruit or whatever. The point was after watching those clips do you think it is safe enough to put into your childrens mouths?
What about the tests on the monkeys kabong referenced in his post? It obvioulsy wasn't safe for them.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
It wasn't the point if they eat candy over fruit or whatever. The point was after watching those clips do you think it is safe enough to put into your childrens mouths?
What about the tests on the monkeys kabong referenced in his post? It obvioulsy wasn't safe for them.
The problem with the animal tests is that once the body starts to break down the aspartame one of the components it releases is L-phenylalamine which is a naturally produced amino acid in humans. Animals do not have the ability to produce L-Phenylalamine and therefore their metobalic system is unable to break it down causing a build up in their system which can lead to serious health problems.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
No I don't think they should be allowed to build with asbestos and I'll tell you why. With asbestos you have no control of wether you choose to breath it in or not. You can make the choice yourself when it comes to your own home, but not when it comes to your work place or business you may frequent to eat or shop in. Your employer, if he leases space out of an office building may have no idea that the space they are leasing was build with materials containing asbestos. You are unwillingly subjected to the dangers that it causes. With trans fats you have control wether you want to ingest it or not by simply choosing foods that do not contain it or where not prepared or cooked in oils containing trans fats. An example I worked in a building that had fire protecting coating on the steel frame that contained asbestos. My employer wanted to renovate the space and after construction started the asbestos was discovered. Unknow to my employer and all the employees that it even existed. With trans fats you know it's there. You know that most fried foods or greasy foods run a high risk of containing trans fats or prepeared/cooked in oils containing trans fats. You have the opportunity to make the choice wether you want to eat it or not. Same as with many other unnatural additives and preservatives that are added to most of our foods. You know they are there, same may not be good for you, but you ultimately make the decesion as to wether you want those additives and preservatives in your body or not. I understand where you are coming from and trust me I know we are better off without trans fats in our diet. I have worked closely with the pharmaceutical industry mostly on cardiovascular related drugsand know what these fatty acids can do to you. I just don't agree with NYC's decision. I am for a lesser role of government in our lives even if the role or action being taken by governemnt is a good one, we are opening the door for them to take furthersteps and the next action taken may not have the same positive effect.
but you COULD know asbestos is present. any building with insulation might have asbestos. or you could just post warnings: "this building contains asbestos." this is what you're advocating for food service. then people have the choice of whether or not they want to live there, or work there, or do business there. or they can go elsewhere. or wear a mask. how is asking that any different?
this is not some huge war on taking away freedom and choice. this is a government safety measure to keep a dangerous substance that has absolutely NO positive value (if you can make an argument that some people NEED transfat for their food it might be different) out of american food supplies. i see it as no different from a number of other government safety initiatives... OSHA, the EPA, CERCLA, controlled substances, prescription drugs, or whatever else. it's not saying you can't have fat, or you must eat X veggies per day, or your diet has to be like this. it's simply saying businesses that serve the public must meet certain health and safety standards. we do this daily in ever area... from mandating sound facilities and standards of service to ensuring products are designed safely and effectively. this is not a huge and novel imposition on freedom of choice. it is simply another government regulation in an area which we have, historically, had no qualms allowing the government to regulate.
The problem with the animal tests is that once the body starts to break down the aspartame one of the components it releases is L-phenylalamine which is a naturally produced amino acid in humans. Animals do not have the ability to produce L-Phenylalamine and therefore their metobalic system is unable to break it down causing a build up in their system which can lead to serious health problems.
but you COULD know asbestos is present. any building with insulation might have asbestos. or you could just post warnings: "this building contains asbestos." this is what you're advocating for food service. then people have the choice of whether or not they want to live there, or work there, or do business there. or they can go elsewhere. or wear a mask. how is asking that any different?
this is not some huge war on taking away freedom and choice. this is a government safety measure to keep a dangerous substance that has absolutely NO positive value (if you can make an argument that some people NEED transfat for their food it might be different) out of american food supplies. i see it as no different from a number of other government safety initiatives... OSHA, the EPA, CERCLA, controlled substances, prescription drugs, or whatever else. it's not saying you can't have fat, or you must eat X veggies per day, or your diet has to be like this. it's simply saying businesses that serve the public must meet certain health and safety standards. we do this daily in ever area... from mandating sound facilities and standards of service to ensuring products are designed safely and effectively. this is not a huge and novel imposition on freedom of choice. it is simply another government regulation in an area which we have, historically, had no qualms allowing the government to regulate.
We are just going to have to agree to disagree because we can continue this debate for a long time without either of us changing our minds.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
We are just going to have to agree to disagree because we can continue this debate for a long time without either of us changing our minds.
i suppose. i just think that in terms of picking your battles, governments are doing much worse things to impinge on our rights than outlawing transfat. there's plenty to be outraged about out there, not sure why this one has people so wound up.
i suppose. i just think that in terms of picking your battles, governments are doing much worse things to impinge on our rights than outlawing transfat. there's plenty to be outraged about out there, not sure why this one has people so wound up.
If it was this alone, no I wouldn't be as bothered but this is just one more instance on top of an already large mountain of times where our government infringes on our rights.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
If it was this alone, no I wouldn't be as bothered but this is just one more instance on top of an already large mountain of times where our government infringes on our rights.
i never cared much about food except when it would be ready. then i worked on the kill floor of a slaughter house and saw the sickly animals getting into the food chain. i was told the healthier animals are kept for breeding.
fox reported last night that the ban is expected to span nationwide soon. at least someone is starting to look at what we eat.
If it was this alone, no I wouldn't be as bothered but this is just one more instance on top of an already large mountain of times where our government infringes on our rights.
That's why each case should be examined independently of one another. Trans fat is something no one will even miss, except for the negative side effects. But other things that people enjoy or benefit from is another story.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
That's why each case should be examined independently of one another. Trans fat is something no one will even miss, except for the negative side effects. But other things that people enjoy or benefit from is another story.
Abook I'm past that point. My utter disgust over the handling of our government is to overwhelming for me to do that.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
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from what i understand; the ban is for those who don't know it's bad for them. and also the office worker who eats lunch out every day. i remember when phen phen was killing people. everyone screamed WHERE'S THE GOVERNMENT AND WHY AREN'T THEY PROTECTING US. well; i guess they stepped in a little early; not enough people have died.
didn't 1 person die and 1 person have their lungs collapse when they entered the aspertame plant w/o a body suit?? i don't think i'd want to drink something that would make me die from breathing it, even if it is in low doses...didn't they do tests on 7 monkeys w/ aspartame and out of those 7 1 died and 5 started having grand mal <severe> seizures? it didn't get passed b/c it was dafe, it got passed b/c powerful ppl w/ connections pushed it <see 3rd youtube link>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n-gA0wvi84
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcbsjtMvMs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi3zCdjt5js
all short
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Aspartame+Sweet+Misery+A+Poisoned&spell=1
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Someone well educated, such as yourself, thinking Aspartame is ever safe is the exact reason why this shit should be illegal. Let me ask you this: After watching those documentaries, would you allow just one piece of articially sweetened candy containing aspartame into your children's mouths?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i agree with you; book; but there is so much more people need to know about their food and what they're really eating. i'm just tired of talking waiting for someone to hear.
peace
No I don't think they should be allowed to build with asbestos and I'll tell you why. With asbestos you have no control of wether you choose to breath it in or not. You can make the choice yourself when it comes to your own home, but not when it comes to your work place or business you may frequent to eat or shop in. Your employer, if he leases space out of an office building may have no idea that the space they are leasing was build with materials containing asbestos. You are unwillingly subjected to the dangers that it causes. With trans fats you have control wether you want to ingest it or not by simply choosing foods that do not contain it or where not prepared or cooked in oils containing trans fats. An example I worked in a building that had fire protecting coating on the steel frame that contained asbestos. My employer wanted to renovate the space and after construction started the asbestos was discovered. Unknow to my employer and all the employees that it even existed. With trans fats you know it's there. You know that most fried foods or greasy foods run a high risk of containing trans fats or prepeared/cooked in oils containing trans fats. You have the opportunity to make the choice wether you want to eat it or not. Same as with many other unnatural additives and preservatives that are added to most of our foods. You know they are there, same may not be good for you, but you ultimately make the decesion as to wether you want those additives and preservatives in your body or not. I understand where you are coming from and trust me I know we are better off without trans fats in our diet. I have worked closely with the pharmaceutical industry mostly on cardiovascular related drugsand know what these fatty acids can do to you. I just don't agree with NYC's decision. I am for a lesser role of government in our lives even if the role or action being taken by governemnt is a good one, we are opening the door for them to take furthersteps and the next action taken may not have the same positive effect.
I don't let my kids eat candy to begin with, except on Halloween. When my kids want a snack they get organic fruits or vegetables. If you where to ask my 4 year old if he would want strawberries or a piece of candy and he will tell you he wants the strawberries. Their mother and I have taught them since they where small that fruits and vegetables are much better for them than candy .Also contrary to the documentaries moderate amounts of aspartame have been shown to have no side affects. I'm more concerned with D-phenylalamine.
It wasn't the point if they eat candy over fruit or whatever. The point was after watching those clips do you think it is safe enough to put into your childrens mouths?
What about the tests on the monkeys kabong referenced in his post? It obvioulsy wasn't safe for them.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The problem with the animal tests is that once the body starts to break down the aspartame one of the components it releases is L-phenylalamine which is a naturally produced amino acid in humans. Animals do not have the ability to produce L-Phenylalamine and therefore their metobalic system is unable to break it down causing a build up in their system which can lead to serious health problems.
but you COULD know asbestos is present. any building with insulation might have asbestos. or you could just post warnings: "this building contains asbestos." this is what you're advocating for food service. then people have the choice of whether or not they want to live there, or work there, or do business there. or they can go elsewhere. or wear a mask. how is asking that any different?
this is not some huge war on taking away freedom and choice. this is a government safety measure to keep a dangerous substance that has absolutely NO positive value (if you can make an argument that some people NEED transfat for their food it might be different) out of american food supplies. i see it as no different from a number of other government safety initiatives... OSHA, the EPA, CERCLA, controlled substances, prescription drugs, or whatever else. it's not saying you can't have fat, or you must eat X veggies per day, or your diet has to be like this. it's simply saying businesses that serve the public must meet certain health and safety standards. we do this daily in ever area... from mandating sound facilities and standards of service to ensuring products are designed safely and effectively. this is not a huge and novel imposition on freedom of choice. it is simply another government regulation in an area which we have, historically, had no qualms allowing the government to regulate.
Ever hear of the alkaline diet?
i eat batteries,...
~Ron Burgundy
We are just going to have to agree to disagree because we can continue this debate for a long time without either of us changing our minds.
No, what is it?
Im looking into it. Something about phd levels in your body and acidic levels.
i suppose. i just think that in terms of picking your battles, governments are doing much worse things to impinge on our rights than outlawing transfat. there's plenty to be outraged about out there, not sure why this one has people so wound up.
If it was this alone, no I wouldn't be as bothered but this is just one more instance on top of an already large mountain of times where our government infringes on our rights.
i never cared much about food except when it would be ready. then i worked on the kill floor of a slaughter house and saw the sickly animals getting into the food chain. i was told the healthier animals are kept for breeding.
fox reported last night that the ban is expected to span nationwide soon. at least someone is starting to look at what we eat.
pretty much everything that is common is an example of it.
That's why each case should be examined independently of one another. Trans fat is something no one will even miss, except for the negative side effects. But other things that people enjoy or benefit from is another story.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Abook I'm past that point. My utter disgust over the handling of our government is to overwhelming for me to do that.
Well, I can certainly identify with that feeling.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde