the death penalty argument is a whole other thread in itself. i do not agree with capital punishment in any form, regardless of circumstance, so i obviously to not support the execution of saddam hussein.
what worries me more is the western world's attitude and approach to the execution. the last 3 days highlights the blatant desensitisation towards violence of the american/western public. saddam hussein's final moments are captured on television, broadcast around the world, detailed in 'blow-by-blow' accounts in newspapers... but you aren't allowed to show a boob on the box.
What disturbs me is that the hanging was obviously carried out by shiites as they were chanting Muqtada al-Sadr's name. So, to them, it wasn't really an act of justice; it was a symbol of victory over the sunni for the shiites. Even though Saddam was secular, his loyalties lay with the sunni moreso than the shiites. So, again, it's just one more act of sectarian violence that does little in terms of progress for Iraq.
What disturbs me is that the hanging was obviously carried out by shiites as they were chanting Muqtada al-Sadr's name. So, to them, it wasn't really an act of justice; it was a symbol of victory over the sunni for the shiites. Even though Saddam was secular, his loyalties lay with the sunni moreso than the shiites. So, again, it's just one more act of sectarian violence that does little in terms of progress for Iraq.
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And WHY hold the execution during the holiest days of the Christian, Muslim and Jewist religions? Couldn't the thing have waited til Groundhog Day?
It's another nail in the coffin of President Bush's Great American Dream in Iraq and another reason for those Islamic Religious Sects to keep on killing each other.
And... yet another poor decision in this entire mess in Iraq.
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I think it was the right thing to do.
First, I believe " an eye for an eye".
Second, he killed a lot of innocent people.
I always thought the longer he is alive the more af a chance his followers would kidnap more people and demand he be released or some shit like that.
No matter what any body says the world is a better place with him gone.
Don't sit there and have pitty for some evil son of a bitch like that.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
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I think it was the right thing to do.
First, I believe " an eye for an eye".
Second, he killed a lot of innocent people.
I always thought the longer he is alive the more af a chance his followers would kidnap more people and demand he be released or some shit like that.
No matter what any body says the world is a better place with him gone.
Don't sit there and have pitty for some evil son of a bitch like that.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Gandhi
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Gandhi
I could agree with that but not in this situation.
What next, you think if Hitler lived we should have let him apologize or maybe just kept him in a jail and allowed him to breat our air?
Hell no.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
what worries me more is the western world's attitude and approach to the execution. the last 3 days highlights the blatant desensitisation towards violence of the american/western public. saddam hussein's final moments are captured on television, broadcast around the world, detailed in 'blow-by-blow' accounts in newspapers... but you aren't allowed to show a boob on the box.
the naked body is soooo shamefull...but killing and maming are acceptible.....what a fked up christian country we live in. And most just don't get it...thats the sad part.
I could agree with that but not in this situation.
What next, you think if Hitler lived we should have let him apologize or maybe just kept him in a jail and allowed him to breat our air?
Hell no.
just one second with an open mind....when you kill your no better than he...you just lowered yourself to his level...and the worst part you condone killing as an acceptable behavior. Get it???
I could agree with that but not in this situation.
What next, you think if Hitler lived we should have let him apologize or maybe just kept him in a jail and allowed him to breat our air?
Hell no.
Well, yes, if Hitler was alive... I think we should keep him in jail.
I know what your all thinking: miller8966 must be as happy as a pig in shit...but honestly im not. I saw no reason for the execution of saddam.
I am not disagreeing with the fact that he is a tyrant and deserved justice...but to me a life in jail would have been far better than to give him the death penalty.
"As a noose was tightened around Hussein's neck, one of the executioners yelled "long live Muqtada al-Sadr," Haddad said, referring to the powerful anti-American Shiite religious leader.
Hussein, a Sunni, uttered one last phrase before he died, saying "Muqtada al-Sadr" in a mocking tone, according to Haddad's account."
That kind of scares me.
Here is the problem with keeping him alive in a jail cell. Alive, he would be able to spread hate and fuel the fires of civil war in Iraq from his cell. Look at Fidel Castro, they once had him locked up and captured but instead of executing him they just sent him away...that worked out real well. It's better to silence Saddam and let people forget about him. This way he can't say anything else...he can't motivate terrorists...I'm glad he is gone, it was the right move all the way.
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when wa state hung wesley allen dodd in usa i think that year we had the highest crime rate that year or bundy too but im not real sure
i dont think death deters much-it seems to make them do moreand or they go out celibrate drive drunk and kill more or fight-sort of funny if it wasnt so tragic
the purpose was not to kill the man; but kill his ideals. charles manson still runs his little group from prison. granted; hitler's ideals are alive long after his death but had he lived; prison or not; his ideals would be much stronger.
another reason is a coup may cause his release and turn him lose on the world again. this time with a vengence.
killing is wrong; but we all share the need to protect ourselves. be it self defence; emotionally; financially; or the other ways we protect ourselves.
is it a deterrant? probably not. greed and power will always intoxicate man. but we protected others from the wrath of this man.
peace
the purpose was not to kill the man; but kill his ideals. charles manson still runs his little group from prison. granted; hitler's ideals are alive long after his death but had he lived; prison or not; his ideals would be much stronger.
another reason is a coup may cause his release and turn him lose on the world again. this time with a vengence.
killing is wrong; but we all share the need to protect ourselves. be it self defence; emotionally; financially; or the other ways we protect ourselves.
is it a deterrant? probably not. greed and power will always intoxicate man. but we protected others from the wrath of this man.
peace
Fidel Castro is all you have to say...
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i really don't know enough now. last i heard is that he got his act together and did good for his people. it wouldn't have worked anywhere else but i'm ignorant on the details.
i really don't know enough now. last i heard is that he got his act together and did good for his people. it wouldn't have worked anywhere else but i'm ignorant on the details.
Why do you think people in Cuba are risking their lives to cross the ocean to Miami in a home made raft? Castro is a dictator and he ruined that country IMO
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Yea, a coup de'tat may give bad people power. Destroy all the nations!!!! Let us live in anarchy!!!!
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I know what your all thinking: miller8966 must be as happy as a pig in shit...but honestly im not. I saw no reason for the execution of saddam.
I am not disagreeing with the fact that he is a tyrant and deserved justice...but to me a life in jail would have been far better than to give him the death penalty.
"As a noose was tightened around Hussein's neck, one of the executioners yelled "long live Muqtada al-Sadr," Haddad said, referring to the powerful anti-American Shiite religious leader.
Hussein, a Sunni, uttered one last phrase before he died, saying "Muqtada al-Sadr" in a mocking tone, according to Haddad's account."
just one second with an open mind....when you kill your no better than he...you just lowered yourself to his level...and the worst part you condone killing as an acceptable behavior. Get it???
I am not out to blow everyone up. but, Thats you way you have to deal with irrational people. And if you don't, you end up a victim. I am sure many here want to have a hugs and kisses meeting and discuss the problem over milk and cookies and try to help a savage like Saddam but in the long run you will lose. You will lose in the end.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I thought his hanging was brutal and regardless of how brutal he may had been, to me it doesn't mean others have to stoop to that brutality. It makes them then same.
Then to allow witnesses in to taunt him, which even a guard did, was more like a lynching than justice.
It was wrong by all things I believe in.
I dunno, it just leaves a bitter taste this does... I mean I'm not sorry he's dead but the MANNER in which he was killed doesn't seem to have much justice... it doesn't seem to be his actual victims and their families who got the final say.
I'm anti death penalty anyway cos I believe it's only god who can judge and I definitely believe in karma BUT also, why wasn't he given a hood? I'm sure it was so people couldn't claim the whole conspiracy thing but seriously... did they not know people all over the world are gonna be watching?
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Why do you think people in Cuba are risking their lives to cross the ocean to Miami in a home made raft? Castro is a dictator and he ruined that country IMO
So the 50 year illegal U.S blockade of Cuba has nothing to do with it then?
I wonder if that would be the case if he got lethal injection.
Just as the war is marketed to the American people...if its neat and clean and they don't have to actually see the pain and suffering they are for it. There's another post critisizing you tube for putting on a "snuff film" but sometimes wonder if we should indeed show dead and seriously wounded American Soldiers along with all executions we perform in the states.
Just as the war is marketed to the American people...if its neat and clean and they don't have to actually see the pain and suffering they are for it. There's another post critisizing you tube for putting on a "snuff film" but sometimes wonder if we should indeed show dead and seriously wounded American Soldiers along with all executions we perform in the states.
Sadly, there's a large block of people who would view the exectuion of criminals as a form of entertainment, so I think I'd prefer not to see that on youtube or anywhere else.
Iraq, on the other hand ... I don't think anyone would enjoy seeing our soldiers or Iraqi women and children being blown to bits, and we ought to show more of it. People who support war should see the reality of what they're supporting, not the sanitized version that currently makes the evening news.
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and seriously, does this make us any better then him?
America was never good, so how could it be better. What the **** are they pumping you with. That's the main problem of USA in my opinion ->lack of education. Knowledge per se, views, not just some nationalistic, imperialistic, heroist shit. Every time I see an american flag I really can't think of one thing that you could be proud of as Americans. And please spare me the answers..let's just say that it's not your fault, I'm sure you'll be satisfied with that..No hard feelings.. I expressed my oppnion with the softest words I could find in my limited world of english vocabulary.
Back to the thread..
Here is just a thought..
Who did supported Saddam from 1959 on?? Which country did just for example incourage Saddam to attack Iraq??(and for what lame reasons)..
Yeah, years pass but your "inspiring" thoughts remain...
You are just too loud.....
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So the 50 year illegal U.S blockade of Cuba has nothing to do with it then?
of course it does, but the reason it is there is because of Fidel's actions against this country...he could open up talks and start diplomatic relationships again and I'm sure we could mend the wounds and actually bring that country out of the 1950's, but he chooses not to. He chooses for his people to suffer.
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what worries me more is the western world's attitude and approach to the execution. the last 3 days highlights the blatant desensitisation towards violence of the american/western public. saddam hussein's final moments are captured on television, broadcast around the world, detailed in 'blow-by-blow' accounts in newspapers... but you aren't allowed to show a boob on the box.
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And WHY hold the execution during the holiest days of the Christian, Muslim and Jewist religions? Couldn't the thing have waited til Groundhog Day?
It's another nail in the coffin of President Bush's Great American Dream in Iraq and another reason for those Islamic Religious Sects to keep on killing each other.
And... yet another poor decision in this entire mess in Iraq.
Hail, Hail!!!
First, I believe " an eye for an eye".
Second, he killed a lot of innocent people.
I always thought the longer he is alive the more af a chance his followers would kidnap more people and demand he be released or some shit like that.
No matter what any body says the world is a better place with him gone.
Don't sit there and have pitty for some evil son of a bitch like that.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Gandhi
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I could agree with that but not in this situation.
What next, you think if Hitler lived we should have let him apologize or maybe just kept him in a jail and allowed him to breat our air?
Hell no.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
the naked body is soooo shamefull...but killing and maming are acceptible.....what a fked up christian country we live in. And most just don't get it...thats the sad part.
just one second with an open mind....when you kill your no better than he...you just lowered yourself to his level...and the worst part you condone killing as an acceptable behavior. Get it???
Well, yes, if Hitler was alive... I think we should keep him in jail.
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Nuts!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I don't believe in the death penalty, I don't think that makes me nuts.
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Here is the problem with keeping him alive in a jail cell. Alive, he would be able to spread hate and fuel the fires of civil war in Iraq from his cell. Look at Fidel Castro, they once had him locked up and captured but instead of executing him they just sent him away...that worked out real well. It's better to silence Saddam and let people forget about him. This way he can't say anything else...he can't motivate terrorists...I'm glad he is gone, it was the right move all the way.
the purpose was not to kill the man; but kill his ideals. charles manson still runs his little group from prison. granted; hitler's ideals are alive long after his death but had he lived; prison or not; his ideals would be much stronger.
another reason is a coup may cause his release and turn him lose on the world again. this time with a vengence.
killing is wrong; but we all share the need to protect ourselves. be it self defence; emotionally; financially; or the other ways we protect ourselves.
is it a deterrant? probably not. greed and power will always intoxicate man. but we protected others from the wrath of this man.
peace
Fidel Castro is all you have to say...
i really don't know enough now. last i heard is that he got his act together and did good for his people. it wouldn't have worked anywhere else but i'm ignorant on the details.
Why do you think people in Cuba are risking their lives to cross the ocean to Miami in a home made raft? Castro is a dictator and he ruined that country IMO
Finally I agree with you.....
I am not out to blow everyone up. but, Thats you way you have to deal with irrational people. And if you don't, you end up a victim. I am sure many here want to have a hugs and kisses meeting and discuss the problem over milk and cookies and try to help a savage like Saddam but in the long run you will lose. You will lose in the end.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Then to allow witnesses in to taunt him, which even a guard did, was more like a lynching than justice.
It was wrong by all things I believe in.
I'm anti death penalty anyway cos I believe it's only god who can judge and I definitely believe in karma BUT also, why wasn't he given a hood? I'm sure it was so people couldn't claim the whole conspiracy thing but seriously... did they not know people all over the world are gonna be watching?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
So the 50 year illegal U.S blockade of Cuba has nothing to do with it then?
How can you know that?
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I wonder if that would be the case if he got lethal injection.
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Just as the war is marketed to the American people...if its neat and clean and they don't have to actually see the pain and suffering they are for it. There's another post critisizing you tube for putting on a "snuff film" but sometimes wonder if we should indeed show dead and seriously wounded American Soldiers along with all executions we perform in the states.
Ummm.... since that blockade goes both ways how come you don't see swarms of Americans moving there?
Iraq, on the other hand ... I don't think anyone would enjoy seeing our soldiers or Iraqi women and children being blown to bits, and we ought to show more of it. People who support war should see the reality of what they're supporting, not the sanitized version that currently makes the evening news.
America was never good, so how could it be better. What the **** are they pumping you with. That's the main problem of USA in my opinion ->lack of education. Knowledge per se, views, not just some nationalistic, imperialistic, heroist shit. Every time I see an american flag I really can't think of one thing that you could be proud of as Americans. And please spare me the answers..let's just say that it's not your fault, I'm sure you'll be satisfied with that..No hard feelings.. I expressed my oppnion with the softest words I could find in my limited world of english vocabulary.
Back to the thread..
Here is just a thought..
Who did supported Saddam from 1959 on?? Which country did just for example incourage Saddam to attack Iraq??(and for what lame reasons)..
Yeah, years pass but your "inspiring" thoughts remain...
You are just too loud.....
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of course it does, but the reason it is there is because of Fidel's actions against this country...he could open up talks and start diplomatic relationships again and I'm sure we could mend the wounds and actually bring that country out of the 1950's, but he chooses not to. He chooses for his people to suffer.