wow i am racist wow......... because most of you dont know the history about the illini.... how oppressed he is........ never have i ever heard anyone make fun of him that has gone to that school........ and sorry i cant spell but i dont studddderrrr joejoejoe
wow i am racist wow......... because most of you dont know the history about the illini.... how oppressed he is........ never have i ever heard anyone make fun of him that has gone to that school........ and sorry i cant spell but i dont studddderrrr joejoejoe
oh, so not only are you a racist, but you are against those who stutter!
joe you should be careful calling people names that is very small of you....and i guess my native ancestry isnt enough to let me talk on points like this....
cheif illiniwik or however you spell it ......... well he cant do his dance and now the soix want the costum back and the eagle feathers from the head dress....... this is just crazy stuff going on.... the original reason for the cheif was to pay homage to the indians of illinois and now its degrading.......... ok so if i hit you for 50 years or so in the face your not going to do anything about it until year 51? that is when you stand up and say hey stop hitting me..... come on native americans should be happy they get to live on in mascots ..... not hate mascots that represent them..... seminole indians where upset when the ncaa wanted to get ride of the indian names...... well i guess we will always have the redskins..... thank god
i couldn't tell from this post if you were being sarcastic or not, but your other posts tell me that you were not. it was also very difficult to understand what you were trying to say, so that is another reason i thought it was sarcasm.
first, it's Chief Illiniwek. second, it's sioux.
the original reason, in most of these cases that native heritage, custom and people have been turned into mascots is not to honour them, but to appease the predominantly white population's guilt for the degrading acts of their ancestors so that they may sleep well at night. fifty years ago, what rights did native people have? do you think they would have been able to stand up and say that they disagreed?
having a person or people live on in a statue, a memorial, or a town name is one thing, but to have them "live on" in the form of a mascot is degrading. there is no place for native heritage as entertainment at halftime, as someone (usually white) dressed up in traditional garb and dancing on the sidelines, or as a symbol for a sports team.
some more information on the hearings...you can click on the people to hear their statements...notice no native people were asked to speak, and only the african american speaker from the NCAA spoke out against the use of the native heritage in the hearing. the white student who used to "play" the chief was misleading in his statement.
December 15, 2006
They called it a "congressional field hearing" to examine Tim Johnson's and disgraced House Speaker Dennis Hastert's “Protection of University Governance Act of 2006” (HR 5289). It ended up being a stacked Republican attempt to shame the NCAA for pushing us closer to ending the use of a racist mascot at UIUC.
However, Bernard Franklin of the NCAA held his ground and received support from Professor Steven Kaufman and Democratic congressman, Danny K Davis (IL). Not one American Indian was present as an official witness despite ample representation available at UIUC's Native American House and American Indian Studies program. (See the below interview of Professor Debbie Reese for more on this subject).
The hearing was heavily policed and no one was allowed entrance who openly wore t-shirts with anti-racism messages. Police at the entrance made people remove their shirts or turn them inside-out - while crowd members with mascot emblems and "chief" written on their shirts passed right through with open arms.
This attempt to silence dissent was reinforced by Republican Chairman of the committee, Howard McKeon (CA) when he began the session by saying, "We will not have any response from the audience.. Please if you would just not respond to anything that is being said."
Chapin Rose (R)
Illinois State Representative
Mahomet, IL
"What is it that leads to the audacity of a quasi institution like the NCAA to ignore a resolution of one of the largest states in the nation? I think the answer is simple. As we would say down here in Southern Illinois, the NCAA has gotten too big for it's britches"
Bernard Franklin
Senior Vice President for Governance, Membership, Education, and Research Services
National Collegiate Athletic Association
Washington, DC
"The NCAA policy is fairly simple and straightforward. It was designed to align the core principles of cultural diversity, civility, respect and nondiscrimination with the practice of creating an educational environment at NCAA championship events. Its primary purpose is to maintain NCAA championships as an environment that promotes an atmosphere of respect for, and sensitivity to, the dignity of every person. These are core issues memorialized by the membership in the NCAA constitution that clearly are to be addressed and protected by execution of the duties of the Executive Committee."
Howard Wakeland
President
Honor the "chief" Society
Urbana, IL
"This Congressional hearing is not about "Chief" illiiniwek at the University of Illinois nor Indian imagery found in intercollegiate sports. This is about actions of a powerful private de facto monopolistic organization which controls most aspects of US intercollegiate sports activity. This is about an organization which by-in-large has provided strong positive leadership and control for intercollegiate athletics. This is about how this powerful organization has undertaken a Political Correctness initiative illegally, as defined by their own constitution, and by the terms of the contract they have with their institutional members."
Dr. Stephen Kaufman
Professor
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
"The University of Illinois Board of Trustees has claimed sole authority over the mascot issue, yet they refuse to engage in meaningful discussion and they have silenced the university's administration from speaking out. Likewise, coaches and student athletes have been silenced, and former chancellor Michael Aiken issued a directive prohibiting anyone in the university from informing potential student athletes about the mascot issue."
Brent Holmes
Attorney
Mattoon, IL
"Many Illinoisians with Native American blood have publicly stated that they are honored by the University of Illinois' symbol, "chief" illiniwek, which represents the loftiest principles of the human spirit-loyalty, wisdom, courage, strength, leadership, bravery and dignity."
John Madigan
Former "chief" illiniwek
St. Louis, MO
"To associate "chief" illiniwek with the terms "hostile and abusive" is incredibly appalling to me. As a major part of my role as "chief" illiniwek, I formally spoke and presented to thousands of people in hundreds of different civic groups and schools regarding the role and what it meant and symbolized to the University of Illinois."
from later interviews after the hearing...
Danny Davis
Congressman, IL
"I am somewhat amazed and disappointed that in the land of Lincoln, the home of our great president, Abraham, that the trustees of this great institution have not seen fit to eliminate as a mascot a name that is offensive to some people in our country ... especially to Native Americans who were in fact the first citizens that we know about in this country."
Debbie Reese Nambe-Pueblo
Professor
American Indian Studies
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
"Neither Madigan or Johnson or Chapin Rose, any of the pro-"chief" people on that panel have ever - ever gotten in touch with me or come over to the Native American House, Native Studies program, nada."
Brenda Farnell
Professor
Anthropology
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
"I am very alarmed at the level of both mis-information and lack of information that the members of the inquiry displayed. They haven't done their homework. They misrepresented the lack of participation of the Peoria Tribe and tried to pretend that there was involvement from the Native point of view and there was none. And that's unforgivable."
"I am somewhat amazed and disappointed that in the land of Lincoln, the home of our great president, Abraham, that the trustees of this great institution have not seen fit to eliminate as a mascot a name that is offensive to some people in our country ... especially to Native Americans who were in fact the first citizens that we know about in this country."
the congressman that said this is not versed in history at all......
lincoln said if he could save the union by freeing all the slaves he would... if he could free half the slaves and save the union he would and if by freeing non of the slaves he could save the union he would have...........the civil war was about saving the union......and slavery is what drove it apart.....
thats another thread......... every summer i go to wisconsin and raft and spend time on the reservation and conversations alway involve the government and rights and things like that but the mascot issue never seems to bother them.... it doesnt affect their everyday life and the struggle to survive........
... why arent people in MN mad about their football teams name...
In this era of political correctness, Chief Illiniwek is the latest casualty. The spirit he brought to the great University of Illinois will be missed.
Eventually I think the U of I will have to change their mascot name -- probably within another 20 years (thats how long it took to get Illiniwek to stop dancing).
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
I can't understand a single one of the posts on this fucking thread. What the fuck are you on/on about?
Its about a U.S. university's mascot -- a native american (indian) -- that does a dance at halftime of the sports games. Apparently its controversial because a handful of people (ironically, most of them caucasian) think its disrespectful to native americans. From my sarcasm, you can probably guess what my stance is on the subject.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
alot of money and old money just left the u of i last nite....... never to return and the alums wow..... that association will lose numbers big time...... as for me personally i am done with college sports........
alot of money and old money just left the u of i last nite....... never to return and the alums wow..... that association will lose numbers big time...... as for me personally i am done with college sports........
I understand your pain.... I attended the U of I for a year back in 98-99 before moving on to a different university. Back then this was a HUGE issue and it seemed like it would eventually fizzle... there were only a few "radicals" at the time who opposed Illiniwek. And you had to be pretty fucking brave to admit that... you were likely to get your ass kicked by some frat dude if you did.
One can really only understand this issue if they had a chance to see what Illiniwek did for the school's spirit. It was simply amazing to be at a football or basketball game and watch the dance... there was absolutely nothing 'humorous' about it. It was a solemn and respected tradition that would send goosebumps down the spine. It was one of the best traditions in sports. One shouldn't be opposed to Illiniwek without witnessing this.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
I understand your pain.... I attended the U of I for a year back in 98-99 before moving on to a different university. Back then this was a HUGE issue and it seemed like it would eventually fizzle... there were only a few "radicals" at the time who opposed Illiniwek. And you had to be pretty fucking brave to admit that... you were likely to get your ass kicked by some frat dude if you did.
One can really only understand this issue if they had a chance to see what Illiniwek did for the school's spirit. It was simply amazing to be at a football or basketball game and watch the dance... there was absolutely nothing 'humorous' about it. It was a solemn and respected tradition that would send goosebumps down the spine. It was one of the best traditions in sports. One shouldn't be opposed to Illiniwek without witnessing this.
Exactly, the Chief was a very solemn moment at the games. I never heard anyone disrespect the dance, not even the drunk assholes in the stands. I'll miss the Chief.
this is a subject that i tried to bring up when i originally joined this board. it was stunning, given the amount of stupidity and callousness in the replies, to see how many ignorant racists there are who post here.
i don't know if the original poster is being sarcastic or not, but if you can't see why a sports team shouldn't be named after a group of people or a race of people, then i hope someday you will become enlightened.
Then please explain why it is only a very small minority of Indians that are offended by the mascots. As mentioned before, when the NCAA tried to do this to the Florida State Seminoles the Seminole tribe was adimant about FSU keeping them as their mascot. In their own words they said they were honored by being the mascot for FSU.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
Pensacola '94 New Orleans '95 Birmingham '98 New Orleans '00 New Orleans '03 Tampa '08 New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest Fenway Park '18 St. Louis '22
Is your buzzword generator broken? Because lately I hear the ultraliberal 12 year olds using the same words to describe America over and over again: idiocracy, United states of god, idiot America, (damn you Green Day) dumbocracy, etc. etc. blah blah blah.
I've heard every combonation of
(word meaning dumb or religious) + (word meaning American) that's conceivable. blah blah blah. Do you think by calling Americans stupid you're accomplishing anything other than to satisfy your own ego?
Is your buzzword generator broken? Because lately I hear the ultraliberal 12 year olds using the same words to describe America over and over again: idiocracy, United states of god, idiot America, (damn you Green Day) dumbocracy, etc. etc. blah blah blah.
I've heard every combonation of
(word meaning dumb or religious) + (word meaning American) that's conceivable. blah blah blah. Do you think by calling Americans stupid you're accomplishing anything other than to satisfy your own ego?
WTF???
All I was refering to was that our society, especially in urban areas and with the youngest generation, has made it taboo to speak fluent English, to read a book, or to have any sort of resemblance of intelligence. I was taking the idea from the movie "Idiocracy" which may seem over the top, and it probably is, but it does make a good point about how dumbed down everything is in our country. The only thing that your snide comments and attempts at witticism do, along with calling me an "ultraliberal 12 year old," is to further prove this point.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
this just in illinois has changed their name the chefs and the half time show now will be walking on hot coles while stirring batter........ now the mascot brave has to go wtf braves.... next up beavers......
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oh, so not only are you a racist, but you are against those who stutter!
i couldn't tell from this post if you were being sarcastic or not, but your other posts tell me that you were not. it was also very difficult to understand what you were trying to say, so that is another reason i thought it was sarcasm.
first, it's Chief Illiniwek. second, it's sioux.
the original reason, in most of these cases that native heritage, custom and people have been turned into mascots is not to honour them, but to appease the predominantly white population's guilt for the degrading acts of their ancestors so that they may sleep well at night. fifty years ago, what rights did native people have? do you think they would have been able to stand up and say that they disagreed?
having a person or people live on in a statue, a memorial, or a town name is one thing, but to have them "live on" in the form of a mascot is degrading. there is no place for native heritage as entertainment at halftime, as someone (usually white) dressed up in traditional garb and dancing on the sidelines, or as a symbol for a sports team.
some more information on the hearings...you can click on the people to hear their statements...notice no native people were asked to speak, and only the african american speaker from the NCAA spoke out against the use of the native heritage in the hearing. the white student who used to "play" the chief was misleading in his statement.
December 15, 2006
They called it a "congressional field hearing" to examine Tim Johnson's and disgraced House Speaker Dennis Hastert's “Protection of University Governance Act of 2006” (HR 5289). It ended up being a stacked Republican attempt to shame the NCAA for pushing us closer to ending the use of a racist mascot at UIUC.
However, Bernard Franklin of the NCAA held his ground and received support from Professor Steven Kaufman and Democratic congressman, Danny K Davis (IL). Not one American Indian was present as an official witness despite ample representation available at UIUC's Native American House and American Indian Studies program. (See the below interview of Professor Debbie Reese for more on this subject).
The hearing was heavily policed and no one was allowed entrance who openly wore t-shirts with anti-racism messages. Police at the entrance made people remove their shirts or turn them inside-out - while crowd members with mascot emblems and "chief" written on their shirts passed right through with open arms.
This attempt to silence dissent was reinforced by Republican Chairman of the committee, Howard McKeon (CA) when he began the session by saying, "We will not have any response from the audience.. Please if you would just not respond to anything that is being said."
Chapin Rose (R)
Illinois State Representative
Mahomet, IL
"What is it that leads to the audacity of a quasi institution like the NCAA to ignore a resolution of one of the largest states in the nation? I think the answer is simple. As we would say down here in Southern Illinois, the NCAA has gotten too big for it's britches"
Bernard Franklin
Senior Vice President for Governance, Membership, Education, and Research Services
National Collegiate Athletic Association
Washington, DC
"The NCAA policy is fairly simple and straightforward. It was designed to align the core principles of cultural diversity, civility, respect and nondiscrimination with the practice of creating an educational environment at NCAA championship events. Its primary purpose is to maintain NCAA championships as an environment that promotes an atmosphere of respect for, and sensitivity to, the dignity of every person. These are core issues memorialized by the membership in the NCAA constitution that clearly are to be addressed and protected by execution of the duties of the Executive Committee."
Howard Wakeland
President
Honor the "chief" Society
Urbana, IL
"This Congressional hearing is not about "Chief" illiiniwek at the University of Illinois nor Indian imagery found in intercollegiate sports. This is about actions of a powerful private de facto monopolistic organization which controls most aspects of US intercollegiate sports activity. This is about an organization which by-in-large has provided strong positive leadership and control for intercollegiate athletics. This is about how this powerful organization has undertaken a Political Correctness initiative illegally, as defined by their own constitution, and by the terms of the contract they have with their institutional members."
Dr. Stephen Kaufman
Professor
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
"The University of Illinois Board of Trustees has claimed sole authority over the mascot issue, yet they refuse to engage in meaningful discussion and they have silenced the university's administration from speaking out. Likewise, coaches and student athletes have been silenced, and former chancellor Michael Aiken issued a directive prohibiting anyone in the university from informing potential student athletes about the mascot issue."
Brent Holmes
Attorney
Mattoon, IL
"Many Illinoisians with Native American blood have publicly stated that they are honored by the University of Illinois' symbol, "chief" illiniwek, which represents the loftiest principles of the human spirit-loyalty, wisdom, courage, strength, leadership, bravery and dignity."
John Madigan
Former "chief" illiniwek
St. Louis, MO
"To associate "chief" illiniwek with the terms "hostile and abusive" is incredibly appalling to me. As a major part of my role as "chief" illiniwek, I formally spoke and presented to thousands of people in hundreds of different civic groups and schools regarding the role and what it meant and symbolized to the University of Illinois."
from later interviews after the hearing...
Danny Davis
Congressman, IL
"I am somewhat amazed and disappointed that in the land of Lincoln, the home of our great president, Abraham, that the trustees of this great institution have not seen fit to eliminate as a mascot a name that is offensive to some people in our country ... especially to Native Americans who were in fact the first citizens that we know about in this country."
Debbie Reese Nambe-Pueblo
Professor
American Indian Studies
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
"Neither Madigan or Johnson or Chapin Rose, any of the pro-"chief" people on that panel have ever - ever gotten in touch with me or come over to the Native American House, Native Studies program, nada."
Brenda Farnell
Professor
Anthropology
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
"I am very alarmed at the level of both mis-information and lack of information that the members of the inquiry displayed. They haven't done their homework. They misrepresented the lack of participation of the Peoria Tribe and tried to pretend that there was involvement from the Native point of view and there was none. And that's unforgivable."
http://iresist.org/
http://www.retirethechief.org/notamascot.html
the congressman that said this is not versed in history at all......
lincoln said if he could save the union by freeing all the slaves he would... if he could free half the slaves and save the union he would and if by freeing non of the slaves he could save the union he would have...........the civil war was about saving the union......and slavery is what drove it apart.....
thats another thread......... every summer i go to wisconsin and raft and spend time on the reservation and conversations alway involve the government and rights and things like that but the mascot issue never seems to bother them.... it doesnt affect their everyday life and the struggle to survive........
... why arent people in MN mad about their football teams name...
Eventually I think the U of I will have to change their mascot name -- probably within another 20 years (thats how long it took to get Illiniwek to stop dancing).
Edit: I should have said page one of the thread. Total gibberish.
Its about a U.S. university's mascot -- a native american (indian) -- that does a dance at halftime of the sports games. Apparently its controversial because a handful of people (ironically, most of them caucasian) think its disrespectful to native americans. From my sarcasm, you can probably guess what my stance is on the subject.
I understand your pain.... I attended the U of I for a year back in 98-99 before moving on to a different university. Back then this was a HUGE issue and it seemed like it would eventually fizzle... there were only a few "radicals" at the time who opposed Illiniwek. And you had to be pretty fucking brave to admit that... you were likely to get your ass kicked by some frat dude if you did.
One can really only understand this issue if they had a chance to see what Illiniwek did for the school's spirit. It was simply amazing to be at a football or basketball game and watch the dance... there was absolutely nothing 'humorous' about it. It was a solemn and respected tradition that would send goosebumps down the spine. It was one of the best traditions in sports. One shouldn't be opposed to Illiniwek without witnessing this.
Exactly, the Chief was a very solemn moment at the games. I never heard anyone disrespect the dance, not even the drunk assholes in the stands. I'll miss the Chief.
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Fitting for our idiocracy.
Yes, I suppose so. Democracy is very much a slave to the "garbage in, garbage out" rule.
I will miss Chief Illiniwek.
Then please explain why it is only a very small minority of Indians that are offended by the mascots. As mentioned before, when the NCAA tried to do this to the Florida State Seminoles the Seminole tribe was adimant about FSU keeping them as their mascot. In their own words they said they were honored by being the mascot for FSU.
Pensacola '94
New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
Is your buzzword generator broken? Because lately I hear the ultraliberal 12 year olds using the same words to describe America over and over again: idiocracy, United states of god, idiot America, (damn you Green Day) dumbocracy, etc. etc. blah blah blah.
I've heard every combonation of
(word meaning dumb or religious) + (word meaning American) that's conceivable. blah blah blah. Do you think by calling Americans stupid you're accomplishing anything other than to satisfy your own ego?
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WTF???
All I was refering to was that our society, especially in urban areas and with the youngest generation, has made it taboo to speak fluent English, to read a book, or to have any sort of resemblance of intelligence. I was taking the idea from the movie "Idiocracy" which may seem over the top, and it probably is, but it does make a good point about how dumbed down everything is in our country. The only thing that your snide comments and attempts at witticism do, along with calling me an "ultraliberal 12 year old," is to further prove this point.
Otherwise, how do snide comments make our country dumbed down? Are angry people stupid?
Snide + being snide for no reason = dumb