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edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
cheif illiniwik or however you spell it ......... well he cant do his dance and now the soix want the costum back and the eagle feathers from the head dress....... this is just crazy stuff going on.... the original reason for the cheif was to pay homage to the indians of illinois and now its degrading.......... ok so if i hit you for 50 years or so in the face your not going to do anything about it until year 51? that is when you stand up and say hey stop hitting me..... come on native americans should be happy they get to live on in mascots ..... not hate mascots that represent them..... seminole indians where upset when the ncaa wanted to get ride of the indian names...... well i guess we will always have the redskins..... thank god
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  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    present address wrote:
    cheif illiniwik or however you spell it ......... well he cant do his dance and now the soix want the costum back and the eagle feathers from the head dress....... this is just crazy stuff going on.... the original reason for the cheif was to pay homage to the indians of illinois and now its degrading.......... ok so if i hit you for 50 years or so in the face your not going to do anything about it until year 51? that is when you stand up and say hey stop hitting me..... come on native americans should be happy they get to live on in mascots ..... not hate mascots that represent them..... seminole indians where upset when the ncaa wanted to get ride of the indian names...... well i guess we will always have the redskins..... thank god

    Yeah, I think it's kind of silly that liberals try and teach us to respect other cultures. Yet when we use native american symbols and heritage as representation and inspiration for victory we're being assholes.

    I wonder if the Seminole tribe will change their mind after Florida State's .500 season this year? Nobody likes to be associated with a loser.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,140
    I want to keep the Indian mascots. Next, animal rights activists will want to get rid of the Wolverines and the Badgers!
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  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Milestone wrote:
    I want to keep the Indian mascots. Next, animal rights activists will want to get rid of the Wolverines and the Badgers!

    Good call on Riot Act. It's my favorite CD right now. The base line in Can't Keep is rediculous in the car. Save You.... etc etc... Not sure why everyone hates the album.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    present address wrote:
    cheif illiniwik or however you spell it ......... well he cant do his dance and now the soix want the costum back and the eagle feathers from the head dress....... this is just crazy stuff going on.... the original reason for the cheif was to pay homage to the indians of illinois and now its degrading.......... ok so if i hit you for 50 years or so in the face your not going to do anything about it until year 51? that is when you stand up and say hey stop hitting me..... come on native americans should be happy they get to live on in mascots ..... not hate mascots that represent them..... seminole indians where upset when the ncaa wanted to get ride of the indian names...... well i guess we will always have the redskins..... thank god

    yeah, I'm sick of those f-n liberals...why does everything have to be so PC...I'm sick of it....everyone should be able to use racial slurs when talking about people different from them....I mean who cares if somebody makes fun of native americans....and you're right, native americans should be thankful for the attention...

    warmonger pompus neocon fuckhead douchbag sit at home and cheer war chickenhawks are right, this PC stuff has to go....
  • present addresspresent address Posts: 72
    they already want are guns........ then they will want are guitars........
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    inmytree wrote:
    yeah, I'm sick of those f-n liberals...why does everything have to be so PC...I'm sick of it....everyone should be able to use racial slurs when talking about people different from them....I mean who cares if somebody makes fun of native americans....and you're right, native americans should be thankful for the attention...

    warmonger pompus neocon fuckhead douchbag sit at home and cheer war chickenhawks are right, this PC stuff has to go....

    Beautiful example of being off topic. What the Florida State Seminoles have to do with racial slurs may be a question you can answer for us?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • present addresspresent address Posts: 72
    inmytree has fallen out of the tree..........wow........big breathe in through the nose out through the mouth........
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    present address wrote:
    inmytree has fallen out of the tree..........wow........big breathe in through the nose out through the mouth........


    lol well... Obviously the first thing I think of when someone shouts, "Let's go 'NOLES!," is racist.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Beautiful example of being off topic. What the Florida State Seminoles have to do with racial slurs may be a question you can answer for us?

    hey man, you missed my point...I think it's great that 1000's of people can, in unison, scream:

    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh a Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh a OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH aaaaa ooooooooooooooo

    while waiving their arms like tomahawks....

    good stuff in indeed....

    I'm looking foward to the next NFL franchise, I believe they will be called the L.A. Pailfaces...
  • mookie blaylock 10mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    this is a subject that i tried to bring up when i originally joined this board. it was stunning, given the amount of stupidity and callousness in the replies, to see how many ignorant racists there are who post here.

    i don't know if the original poster is being sarcastic or not, but if you can't see why a sports team shouldn't be named after a group of people or a race of people, then i hope someday you will become enlightened.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    ya know i dont see people irish people getting upset, when 75,000+ people say GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IRISH!!!!!!! and nd games
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    ya know i dont see people irish people getting upset, when 75,000+ people say GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IRISH!!!!!!! and nd games

    I do.

    Fight On!!

    ;)
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    cutback wrote:
    I do.

    Fight On!!

    ;)
    i dont see catholics getting mad when, nd fans reffer to jesus behind the north goal post as "touchdown jesus"
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    i dont see catholics getting mad when, nd fans reffer to jesus behind the north goal post as "touchdown jesus"

    Well then he should put his arms down.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    cutback wrote:
    Well then he should put his arms down.
    u know im being serious bout all this, its really odd the way they painted him. it really does look like jesus is giving the touchdown signal
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    u know im being serious bout all this, its really odd the way they painted him. it really does look like jesus is giving the touchdown signal

    sorry metsy just havin' a laugh.


    Why? Haven't a clue.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    cutback wrote:
    sorry metsy just havin' a laugh.


    Why? Haven't a clue.
    no worries, HUH
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,608
    present address wrote:
    they already want are guns........ then they will want are guitars........

    as long as they don't want your spelling, they will be ok.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,608
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    i dont see catholics getting mad when, nd fans reffer to jesus behind the north goal post as "touchdown jesus"

    there is a difference, being that ND is a Catholic institution, whereas FSU is not an Indian school.
  • mookie blaylock 10mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    ya know i dont see people irish people getting upset, when 75,000+ people say GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IRISH!!!!!!! and nd games

    see, there is a difference there metsy. the irish are no longer an opressed people in the US. the name was claimed due to the fact that the school's third president was a member of the irish fighting brigade. while there are stereotypes perpetuated at fighting irish games, they are not inherently degrading or intended to mock a people and keep them weak. they are more a charicature of myth. the name was originally intended to instill pride in a predominantly catholic student body and their sports teams.

    using native tribe names, however, has always been a way for the white people to keep their "power" over a culture they have oppressed, and in many cases killed, over the history of both our countries. to see tens of thousands of people dress up in what they believe to be traditional headgear, to chant in what they believe to be "indian" chants, and to do tomohawk motions is simply disgusting. it pays no homage to anyone, and there is no place for it in this day and time. there is no learning that comes from it. people will say, well the cheifs of the tribe have gone along with it, or the tribe agrees with it. well some of them have sold their history because they have to, because they are poor, because they have been oppressed for so long that they no longer know what it feels like to be free and not mocked or ridiculed. some of the cases are merely scams.

    people will say, well where does it stop? they'll throw around the term "PC" to make themselves feel better, when it has always been a case of right and wrong. you can't excuse what is wrong and stealing a people's heritage is wrong. naming teams after the colour of skin is wrong. perpetuating stereotypes on the grand scale that collegiate sports teams do is wrong.

    the names should never have been used in the first place, and it's high time they were changed, but it's a joke to most people. when atlanta and cleveland played in the world series and their racist mascots and symbols were protested against by native peoples, the ACLU turned a blind eye and the protestors were mocked, recieved racial slurs, and had things thrown at them as people went inside to cheer on their teams (which there is nothing wrong with) and to mock a culture (which there is something wrong with).

    we are not your fucking mascots.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    mookie blaylock 10 wrote:
    see, there is a difference there metsy. the irish are no longer an opressed people in the US. the name was claimed due to the fact that the school's third president was a member of the irish fighting brigade. while there are stereotypes perpetuated at fighting irish games, they are not inherently degrading or intended to mock a people and keep them weak. they are more a charicature of myth. the name was originally intended to instill pride in a predominantly catholic student body and their sports teams.
    to some extant irish are still opressed,but very little. racism will always go on

    mookie blaylock 10 wrote:
    using native tribe names, however, has always been a way for the white people to keep their "power" over a culture they have oppressed, and in many cases killed, over the history of both our countries. to see tens of thousands of people dress up in what they believe to be traditional headgear, to chant in what they believe to be "indian" chants, and to do tomohawk motions is simply disgusting. it pays no homage to anyone, and there is no place for it in this day and time. there is no learning that comes from it. people will say, well the cheifs of the tribe have gone along with it, or the tribe agrees with it. well some of them have sold their history because they have to, because they are poor, because they have been oppressed for so long that they no longer know what it feels like to be free and not mocked or ridiculed. some of the cases are merely scams.

    people will say, well where does it stop? they'll throw around the term "PC" to make themselves feel better, when it has always been a case of right and wrong. you can't excuse what is wrong and stealing a people's heritage is wrong. naming teams after the colour of skin is wrong. perpetuating stereotypes on the grand scale that collegiate sports teams do is wrong.

    the names should never have been used in the first place, and it's high time they were changed, but it's a joke to most people. when atlanta and cleveland played in the world series and their racist mascots and symbols were protested against by native peoples, the ACLU turned a blind eye and the protestors were mocked, recieved racial slurs, and had things thrown at them as people went inside to cheer on their teams (which there is nothing wrong with) and to mock a culture (which there is something wrong with).

    we are not your fucking mascots.
    dam tim i learned alot just now, thanks for all this
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  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    there is a difference, being that ND is a Catholic institution, whereas FSU is not an Indian school.
    yeah but its still racism, doesnt make it right that nd fans call pic of jesus "touchdown jesus". its still wrong
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,608
    mookie blaylock 10 wrote:
    see, there is a difference there metsy. the irish are no longer an opressed people in the US. the name was claimed due to the fact that the school's third president was a member of the irish fighting brigade. while there are stereotypes perpetuated at fighting irish games, they are not inherently degrading or intended to mock a people and keep them weak. they are more a charicature of myth. the name was originally intended to instill pride in a predominantly catholic student body and their sports teams.

    using native tribe names, however, has always been a way for the white people to keep their "power" over a culture they have oppressed, and in many cases killed, over the history of both our countries. to see tens of thousands of people dress up in what they believe to be traditional headgear, to chant in what they believe to be "indian" chants, and to do tomohawk motions is simply disgusting. it pays no homage to anyone, and there is no place for it in this day and time. there is no learning that comes from it. people will say, well the cheifs of the tribe have gone along with it, or the tribe agrees with it. well some of them have sold their history because they have to, because they are poor, because they have been oppressed for so long that they no longer know what it feels like to be free and not mocked or ridiculed. some of the cases are merely scams.

    people will say, well where does it stop? they'll throw around the term "PC" to make themselves feel better, when it has always been a case of right and wrong. you can't excuse what is wrong and stealing a people's heritage is wrong. naming teams after the colour of skin is wrong. perpetuating stereotypes on the grand scale that collegiate sports teams do is wrong.

    the names should never have been used in the first place, and it's high time they were changed, but it's a joke to most people. when atlanta and cleveland played in the world series and their racist mascots and symbols were protested against by native peoples, the ACLU turned a blind eye and the protestors were mocked, recieved racial slurs, and had things thrown at them as people went inside to cheer on their teams (which there is nothing wrong with) and to mock a culture (which there is something wrong with).

    we are not your fucking mascots.

    The Cleveland Indians mascot is quite a goofy charicature of a Native American, which adds fuel to the fire.
  • mookie blaylock 10mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    yeah but its still racism, doesnt make it right that nd fans call pic of jesus "touchdown jesus". its still wrong

    i didn't know about this. thanks metsy. i'm not a christian, but i can agree with you saying it's wrong.
  • mookie blaylock 10mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    The Cleveland Indians mascot is quite a goofy charicature of a Native American, which adds fuel to the fire.

    indeed. it's as bad as al jolsen in blackface, which is obviously no longer acceptable (for damn good reason), so why is it still ok to use the cleveland mascot, eh?
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    mookie blaylock 10 wrote:
    i didn't know about this. thanks metsy. i'm not a christian, but i can agree with you saying it's wrong.
    welcome tim, heres a pic of touchdown jesus.

    http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/ncf/2002/0711/photo/s_jesus_i.jpg
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  • mookie blaylock 10mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    welcome tim, heres a pic of touchdown jesus.

    http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/ncf/2002/0711/photo/s_jesus_i.jpg

    yeah, i can definitely see something wrong there.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,608
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    yeah but its still racism, doesnt make it right that nd fans call pic of jesus "touchdown jesus". its still wrong

    But it is an image being used by a school that is widely accepted as an important institution in the Catholic world, so its more of a self-efacing issue.

    Do you see how the FSU use of an Indian is mopre severe then a Catholic school using a TD Jesus?
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    But it is an image being used by a school that is widely accepted as an important institution in the Catholic world, so its more of a self-efacing issue.

    Do you see how the FSU use of an Indian is mopre severe then a Catholic school using a TD Jesus?
    yeah i do, but its still racism. racism is racism, even if its a catholic symbol
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,608
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    yeah i do, but its still racism. racism is racism, even if its a catholic symbol

    I agree, but if a large Catholic institution chooses to have a racist symbol, at least they are being that way towards their own!
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