Really disappointed with this board...
LaterDays
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I remember an episode of some reality TV show I ran across a few months back... one of those featuring washed-up celebrities making an ass of themselves (without realizing it of course) one last time. And on this particular episode, Vanilla Ice spouted off some ridiculous rhetoric about how all of modern technology has been given to mankind by a "super alien race" that spawned and maintains life on this planet and secretly controls the government officials of highly industrialized nations. He argued the concept vehemently and sincerely believed every word of it.
I don't come on here very often, usually stick to the Porch and then get my political mouth fed elsewhere. But I do visit here on occasion, and when I do, I expect to find meaningful, intelligent debate. Now maybe I haven't searched diligently enough this afternoon, but all I've found are these incompetent, asinine, high-school level conspiracy bullshit posts that, I would guess, wouldn't even impress Vanilla Ice. And they're not even intelligently presented, I might add.
I realize that, having not started any meaningful threads myself, my accusations may seem a bit hypocritical... but, really, what's the point? Where have all the insightful, educated people gone? Are their posts just dominated by these poser-intellectuals?
I'll check back some other time... maybe next time I'm in the mood for "The X-Files" but can't find it on TV.
I don't come on here very often, usually stick to the Porch and then get my political mouth fed elsewhere. But I do visit here on occasion, and when I do, I expect to find meaningful, intelligent debate. Now maybe I haven't searched diligently enough this afternoon, but all I've found are these incompetent, asinine, high-school level conspiracy bullshit posts that, I would guess, wouldn't even impress Vanilla Ice. And they're not even intelligently presented, I might add.
I realize that, having not started any meaningful threads myself, my accusations may seem a bit hypocritical... but, really, what's the point? Where have all the insightful, educated people gone? Are their posts just dominated by these poser-intellectuals?
I'll check back some other time... maybe next time I'm in the mood for "The X-Files" but can't find it on TV.
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Also, they speak in a curious, lilting tongue.
Don't worry about it. I like to think that I'm superior to everyone too.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
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Seriously though, LaterDays, there are good debates at times on this board, but they tend to drown among the others at times.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
What would you like (us) to talk about?
This cracked me up!
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
Never allow your political mouth to be fed by anyone. That's one sensory analogy best avoided.
But it gets to the point when it's time for people to put down the Rage Against the Machine Albums and start thinking for themselves.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Like who?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
And so a big part of why I frequent this board is so that I at least have an idea of just how skewed peoples' opinions are becoming.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
What do you mean by "far out lefty" ...
are you refering to the "conspiracy nuts", because i thought generaly they were accused of being "extreme right wingers" masked up to get new recruits under the guise of fearmongering?
I'll tell you what i think, anyhow ...
I know what the OP is talking about, and maintain in counter argument that what is truly "incompetent, asinine, high-school level [...] bullshit" is this silly fucking fair-tale notion that those with the real power some how acquired it inspite of being completely stupid ... that instead of there being people with devious cunning and wealth who attempt to manipulate the system and succeed (hell, most of you admit Fox news is so much as a conspiracy to feed you right wing lies) in doing so ... you think that the world is just some happy fucking accident and the government is just totaly stupid and moving along directionless and inept
... and further, to get to this "far out left" crap ... the rest of the people ... and particularly those on "the left" ... even the ones who try to stay out of the conspiratorial arguments ... they themselves have their fair share of "high school level bullshit" in this silly notion that there IS a free lunch, and that it should be served on every corner of every town every hour, on the hour, every day of the week.
This post realy gets me hoping mad.
People are living in a fucking fairy tale bubble ... they think someone is actualy watching out for them, and they think things politicians tell them are realy ment to help YOU, when in fact they are ment to serve someone MUCH different than that. Everytime someone offers you something for free, you should be skeptical as all get out.
Politicians that placate with rhetoric about a piece of the pie for everyone to be had are feeding you nothing but horseshit ... and what you will end up with is massive taxes and debts ... and half of you can't even understand that taking out a loan to pay interest on a loan that was taken out to pay interest on a loan to pay interest on a loan ... can't even see where that might be a serious problem at some point ... or they don't comprehend that the value of their money is just continuously plummeting off a cliff ... and that at SOME point it they might fucking smack in to the ground and bust the silly little head!
Yup. People will fight tooth and nail to defend the integrity of the system, all the while raving and bitching about the whomever is the asshole politician du jur ... but god forbid you try to draw some lines for them and say ... "look goofball, its not just ole GW ... or Cheney isn't just some lone crook ... its not just a bunch of idiots with no clue either ... these people operate like a goddamn ball club ... there are players on the field, there are men on the side sketching out playbooks, and there are broadcasters hypin up this or that, and there are a few old grey haired fucks up in the box who are talking about the big money, and will call down to the coach if they have something to say... get wise to it!" ...
no no ... tell them that there actualy is a gameplan, and they tell you you're a fucking loon.
Because hell, if the system was rigged against you, you sure has fuck would have heard about it on Fox News, right?
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
An even better question, if we're going down that rabbit hole, is how the fuck two seperate news agencies reported live on TV that the building "has just collapsed" ... and yet it didn't actualy fall for another 20minutes ... and the ongoing story was always that no one knew it was in any danger of falling ...
... and then, when it did fall ... just 3 minutes or less before it fell, all these cops were telling people (like someone had apparently ordered them to) ... "get back get back ... its coming down" ...
huh.
that's strange.
now,
i'm not saying someone blew it up,
i'm just asking how the fuck two TV stations and a handful of cops new something was about to come down, when by all acounts it was a fucking freak accident of building mechanics having to do with ... as best NIST can tell ... a cross brace support over the 4-9th floors that was compromised by leaking fuel oil that had caught on fire (which they admit had the most miniscule possibility of actualy happening, but it was their best guess as to what happened) ...
but still point being, who the fuck would have known that to be the case at the time?
Huh.
Weird shit.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVLeKwSkXA&feature=related
42 second mark...
there was something like 44 steel support columns in each tower ... if that sound is a support giving out, you think there would be some more big bangs, not just one, huh?
However, IMHO, THE glaring fallacy facing the "conventional" theory of 911 is that the fucking pentagon got hit by a fucking commercial airplane a full goddamn hour after the first plane hit NYC and nearly 45 full minutes after the SECOND plane hit the towers.
THIS IS WASHINGTON GODDAMN DC.
If anyone realy fucking things our military is so goddamn incompetent, and that our defense systems are so fucking pathetic that we can't track a huge ass airplane coming in to the nation's captiol in less than an hour ... they are off their fucking rocker, not me.
All this bullshit about "but our defense systems were aimed outward, we didn't expect an inward threat" are just that ... bullshit!
IT IS THE NATIONS CAPITOL!
You think that our Governments FULL contingency plan in the event of an enemy invasion is ... "oh yeah, we'll just shoot down the entire squadron of airplanes as it crosses the coast line!" ... "Otherwise, well, we're fucked, hell we don't have anything aiming inward!" ... yeah fucking right!
THE CAPITOL?
??????????????
The transponder thing is a joke too.
A former naval radar operator called in to The AJ Show last month and said so much. He said, "even back in the early 90s when i was in the services, i could have tracked those planes in less than ONE MINUTE." ... he said the fact that the transponders were turned off would only serve to INCREASE the speed at which they could be found ... not this "Needle in a haystack" bullshit ... he said you turn of your transponder, and suddenly you are the only fucking blip on the screen that doesn't have a transponder feed, and it is GLARINGLY obvious ...
even if FAA was completely fucking dumb ... you think NORAD was realy just scratching its damn ass going ... "duh du duh" ?
If NOTHING else stands about 911,
the fact that a commercial jet plowed in to washington DC airspace un challenged is utter and complete horseshit.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
just tell me what happened. give me a step by step, moment by moment of what you think happened that day.
Give me a fucking break.
Any idea what level of information you are talking about?
Try Here for an estimate.
Start reading that shit, you soon realize there are fucking glaring and intollerable discrepancies in the story.
I tend to be skeptical of claims that buildings were brought down with devices, although there is a lot of evidence that indicates this to be possible.
What i find much more alarming are the details of things like mock terror excercises (speaking of mock terror, WTF was with the 7/7 bombing mock terror drills!?! does this encounter seem a little strange? why not just answer the question if there is nothing fishy?) being run at the exact sime time about the exact same thing ... plans from PNAC that indicate a need for "a new pearl harbor" to do just what they got done ... all kinds of fishy shit surrounding the suspects themselves ... i mean all kinds of shit, from border agents being told to let them in to the country even thought they were identified as on terror lists ... to living with CIA landlords ... to having their passport just magicaly turning up in the rubble at ground zero ... being part of covert special service training operations ... i mean just with the "hijackers" alone there is some super super fishy shit ... and then you wanna start talking about what actualy happened that day?
I've looked in to it for countless hours, and i am at the feeding end of this reasearch ... the people whose research you have to dig in to to even get a bite on some of this is ... the amount of time those people have spent doing real hard research is fucking staggering ...
... and none of it makes any sense with the official story, that it was just all real bad luck on our part, and we were totaly unaware of the threat (even though we were doing a drill for the exact same thing on the exact same day on a massive scale ... they even widdle that away as some cosmic accident, the "script writers" came up with, unbenounced to Uncle Sam, who was in the dark about airplanes being used as weapons supposively, hah) ...
man, i can't even continue ...
i don't even know where to start.
have you done ANY of your own digging in to 911?
And that is just like one little dot on the end of an "i" in "their" plan ... as kookie as some of you to think it is to believe so.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
It's a little out there, by I try to keep an open mind about things I have no proof for. Silly sounding, yeah, but when the aliens do come, who's the fool then.
just give me the cliffnotes then if its soooo much.
so easy to supposedly poke holes in the "official" story, a lot harder to come up with something else that is remotely founded in reality, eh?
forget it, this guy is 100% right. these conspiracy theories are boring the shit out of me. but hey, it is the internet!
You know whats really funny?
If you try to look at the "official" side of the story ... i mean, if you try to go to any of these sites that supposedly debunk any of the massive claims held up as "conspiracy" ... if you go to those debunking sites and read what is posted, it is FAR FAR less credible than what is presented and SUBSTANTIATED on the "conspiracy" side of the aisle. Hell, some of the debunking sites are so fucking pathetic, they just have subject headings that reference a debunking claim, but then the actual text of the article has NOTHING to do with what they supposedly debunk.
Its fucking ridiculous.
What i'm trying to say is that, beyond the COVER OF THE BOOK ... i mean the fabric of "reality" that was created on television by the very real act of planes flying in to buildings ... and then that same media craming down your throat "19 hijackers" day in and out ... BEYOND that cover ... the actual text just doesn't jive ... there are WAY WAY WAY too many inconsistencies, and while there are now thousands of sites that explain the "conspiracy" there is hardly one i can find that explains AWAY the conspiracy.
If Norman Mineta says Cheney said "the order still stands", why in gods name was flight 77 not fucking shot down? Is are country so pathetic that it cant shoot down one stupid airplane entering federal airspace?
Here is a challenge,
find me one website that explains to me coherently why an airplane managed to make it THIRTY minutes deep in to US Government Airspace without being shot down, in the face of BOTH towers having already been hit 45 and 60 minutes ago (respectively) ... how such an event could occur by reasonably innocent mistakes ...
... find me that, and we'll start having a real discussion.
Because i don't by it for a fucking second.
If a plane crashed in to a field in Omaha, NB on 911 without getting shot down, i could fucking believe it ... but we can get up 3 fighters to escort away a crop duster if it starts flying near DC ... and yet even AFTER both towers were hit, our government couldn't track a massive jetliner headed straight in to DC ... 30 minutes in to the HEART of federal airspace.
Huh, thats some shit.
If that is true than i have absolutely NO faith in my government.
In fact, believing that it was a conspiracy gives me massively more faith ... because it means they were in control the whole time.
So answer.
Do you realy think a 7series airliner could plow on through Washignton DC unnoticed? What if it had been a nuclear bomber? You think we would have found it then?
What do we do on any old ordinary day when those goddman Russians come over here and try to nuke us then? We will still have thousands of airliners in the skys. I guarantee the Soviets won't be turning on some stupid fucking "transponder" for us to track. :rolleyes:
And this is just one glaring bit of it to think about.
So don't pretend like it's all i'm using to base my opinion on. Like i said, you can't fit that shit in to a post if you tried.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
why is this so unbelievable to you? this is certainly plausible. yes, the government is really, and i mean REALLY, incompetent and our gov't appointed military leaders couldnt find their asses with both hands. You shouldn't have any faith in your gov't. its the ultimate incompetent buracracy. Maybe its unlikely to you, but its certainly within the realm of possibility.
I'm sure the official story isnt 100% accurate, but its far more airtight than any other theory, and until you can come up with another theory that is more accurate, I'm not wasting my time.
every "question" I've ever seen brought up on a 9/11 truther's website could possibly be explained away either through coincidence, human error or better and most of these questions that are brought up can only be explained through those reasons. No other story even comes close to explaining what happened with as much accuracy. All of them can be easily blown apart, and far easier than the official story can. Thats why you are anyone else can't come up with a good explanation of what really happened. just more questions.
and I am officially retired from "researching" this shit. I checked it out and found it lacking. Maybe if you tell me the information I read up until a year ago on this topic was total bullshit, and that this new info is based on something else, maybe i'll waste my time again by looking over it.
until then I'm giving this nonsense absolutely zero respect or time.