Well perhaps this is what occurs when you have the lessor of two evils... two poor results at different methods - but both terrible in their own right.
...the bombing of a pharmecuetical company in Sudan, resulting in the deaths of 30,000...supporting the UN sanctions on Iraq, killing over 1 million...
This is a terrible situation to be in for sure...and maybe I shouldn't call third party votes a waste...they aren't a waste...but I feel there is too much at stake to be doing so.
Clinton went with sanctions regarding Iraq-around 1 million deaths were attributed to those sanctions, including around 200,000 children under the age of 5-through starvation, disease..terrible, in 10 years.
Bush invaded Iraq outright...killing millions (conservative estimates are at 1.3 million), in just a few years.
2 very terrible policies for the people of Iraq, but 2 very different policies.
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
And that attitude, on a national level, is why you're voting for the lesser of two evils, rather than... y'know... something good.
the system is set...we're never gonna change it with a ballot. but we can affect policy, to some degree. our spectator democracy isn't completely useless.
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I used to champion third parties...then I realized I wasted 2 votes on Nader. Obama or McCain will win this election.
.....And I'm STILL voting for Nader.
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the system is set...we're never gonna change it with a ballot. but we can affect policy, to some degree. our spectator democracy isn't completely useless.
I just got a mental image of Abook's head exploding if she ever saw this thread.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
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maybe not. as much as I would like to see Nader as president, I just don't see that happening...he doesn't expect that to happen. I believe his motivation for running is to bring up issues that would otherwise be left out of the campaigns.
One of many good reasons to vote for him. I'm more bothered by folks who don't vote at all.
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*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I just got a mental image of Abook's head exploding if she ever saw this thread.
she would have killed me.
the more I think about this the more I don't agree with the thread title. I think I was trying to convince myself since I already voted for Obama and am already regretting that vote.
what happened to her? it was like arguing with a brick wall with her, but still...
I don't know for sure, but I think she's without a PC these days, for the most part at least. But Commy's right - she'd have all of the "lesser of two evils" folks' heads on spikes at this point.
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the more I think about this the more I don't agree with the thread title. I think I was trying to convince myself since I already voted for Obama and am already regretting that vote.
Abooks is a female?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
yeah she posted a pic a while ago...like 2 years while ago.
Well then SHE'S cool. She was the first person to welcome me aboard this site last year.
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*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
In the majority of states, we already know who is going to win. So as long as your state isn't close, why would you vote for the "least worst"?
Instead, vote for whoever is the most appealing to you. With each vote that a third party gets, people will begin to realize that third parties are not jokes . This would lead more people to vote for them and would also cause the main stream candidates to try and appeal to these voters.
Wait, Commy...You voted for Obama because Nader has no chance of winning and Obama is less evil.....?
You gave up, if someone like you can give up, I have lost faith in the rest of America.
No matter how hard something gets, you must stay true to what you believe in, and i know you don't really believe in Obama being the best choice.
yeah I'm not sure what happened. I have an idea....pharmecuetical companies are evil imo.
fuck man, in Seattle we used to change billboards. 2 months after 9/11 this business owner put up a huge sign saying "God Bless America". We painted the 'b' white to make it read 'Godless America'. He painted it back the next day. So, the next night we came back with a saw and cut the 'b' out. He took the sign down a few weeks later. that's one example, we did shit like that all the time. public protest. it matters...people see that shit, and realize there are people out there that don't accept things as they are. and we did that all the time.
and now here I am voting for a corporate candidate.
here's the thing though, and I believe this to be true. Policy in Washington affects over 150 countries around the world. well over. directly. small changes have a huge impact on the lives of hundreds of millions of people. we unleashed Bush on the world, 2 of them. that's almost unforgivable. I can't imagine giving them a McCain. Its hard to give them Obama (he said "all options are on the table" regarding Iran-does that mean Nukes too?) but at least I believe him to be a better choice than McCain.
I'm glad to see someone is still representing!! I LOVE you guys!!
I LOVE you too, Commy, and I always respect your opinion and choices. Even when you're wrong!
I'm just bitter Obama's bogus "Change You Can Believe In, '08" campaign eclipsed Rhinocerous Surprise's "Change My Underwear At Least Once A Week, '08" campaign.
Then again... neither promise will be kept...
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
I'm just bitter Obama's bogus "Change You Can Believe In, '08" campaign eclipsed Rhinocerous Surprise's "Change My Underwear At Least Once A Week, '08" campaign.
Then again... neither promise will be kept...
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
you people do not know who is running for your town council, alderman, state senate, county seats, congress, etc... yet you'll lecture to me that a nader vote will hurt people worldwide (assuming it ruins obama). why don't you look up the people who will actually make a difference in your lives instead of voting obama and thinking he'll solve the worlds problems. or better yet go out and make a difference yourself.
you people do not know who is running for your town council, alderman, state senate, county seats, congress, etc... yet you'll lecture to me that a nader vote will hurt people worldwide (assuming it ruins obama). why don't you look up the people who will actually make a difference in your lives instead of voting obama and thinking he'll solve the worlds problems. or better yet go out and make a difference yourself.
*newsflash* ... this thread has taken a nosedive into the nonsensical...act accordingly, please!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
*newsflash* ... this thread has taken a nosedive into the nonsensical...act accordingly, please!
how so? local politicians have a far greater impact on their constituents lives than most national politicians. Obama or mccain, the difference is negligible. but a wasted vote is not researching the elected officials that will have a big impact on your local communities.
how so? local politicians have a far greater impact on their constituents lives than most national politicians. Obama or mccain, the difference is negligible. but a wasted vote is not researching the elected officials that will have a big impact on your local communities.
oh, I pretty much agree with you....my point was in trying to keep real points out of the thread...which reminds me........I've got business to attend to.......
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
you know what- my main concern with this election is with all of these people, especially young people, who put all of there idealistic hopes into obama because whether or not obama or bush or mike is president , the only people who can do 98% of this "change" are the ordinary no names. people need to get out and do shit themselves and if they leave it up to the president than this country will be thoroughly disappointed.
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
.....And I'm STILL voting for Nader.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
One of many good reasons to vote for him. I'm more bothered by folks who don't vote at all.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
she would have killed me.
the more I think about this the more I don't agree with the thread title. I think I was trying to convince myself since I already voted for Obama and am already regretting that vote.
Abooks is a female?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Yeah, she's perty, outspoken, and smart. Sound impossible?
Wasn't she having PC problems before? Sounds like it's time for an upgrade!
Well then SHE'S cool. She was the first person to welcome me aboard this site last year.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
You gave up, if someone like you can give up, I have lost faith in the rest of America.
No matter how hard something gets, you must stay true to what you believe in, and i know you don't really believe in Obama being the best choice.
I will never vote that way again.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/map/polling/
In the majority of states, we already know who is going to win. So as long as your state isn't close, why would you vote for the "least worst"?
Instead, vote for whoever is the most appealing to you. With each vote that a third party gets, people will begin to realize that third parties are not jokes . This would lead more people to vote for them and would also cause the main stream candidates to try and appeal to these voters.
yeah I'm not sure what happened. I have an idea....pharmecuetical companies are evil imo.
fuck man, in Seattle we used to change billboards. 2 months after 9/11 this business owner put up a huge sign saying "God Bless America". We painted the 'b' white to make it read 'Godless America'. He painted it back the next day. So, the next night we came back with a saw and cut the 'b' out. He took the sign down a few weeks later. that's one example, we did shit like that all the time. public protest. it matters...people see that shit, and realize there are people out there that don't accept things as they are. and we did that all the time.
and now here I am voting for a corporate candidate.
here's the thing though, and I believe this to be true. Policy in Washington affects over 150 countries around the world. well over. directly. small changes have a huge impact on the lives of hundreds of millions of people. we unleashed Bush on the world, 2 of them. that's almost unforgivable. I can't imagine giving them a McCain. Its hard to give them Obama (he said "all options are on the table" regarding Iran-does that mean Nukes too?) but at least I believe him to be a better choice than McCain.
I LOVE you too, Commy, and I always respect your opinion and choices. Even when you're wrong!
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Then again... neither promise will be kept...
Alright...I'll give you that...
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
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What is this!??!.... a gosh-darn echo chamber?? ...... amber?? .....ber?? ...er??
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