One of the things I have always least liked about Obama has been his talk about taking it up in Afghanistan. I'm not really saying he's wrong about where we needed to go--obviously Afghanistan/Pakistan, not Iraq--but my worry is hydra-headed war-making. We need to finish our Iraq offensive before going whole-hog in Afghanistan. I don't think our existing troops need the added stress or added tours of duty. Talk of increasing our available troops is fine, but it's just talk. Until we have more people to work with, I think our burdens, as they stand, are heavy enough.
It's just a little weird to think that people are so resigned to the fact that their government is so quick to arms that a draft could be seen as the solution... Seriously... people need their kids to be in immediate danger before they'll start looking for a better way?
I never said that I believe it should be the solution, just that others here have made that exact argument.
You don't need a draft... you need a government that won't take you into opportunistic wars in the first place.
or a congress that acts as something other than a rubber stamp
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
a truly volunteer military would let people quit. If people could quit, unnecessary wars would be less likely. This is a better idea than a draft because a draft assumes that the state owns you.
So, I know you don't like him...what abotu this don't you like? Just the overall increase in the military? Many would say that sharing the load would be a good thing, even in a time of peace. Many here have argued for th eneed for a draft so that we stay out of wars that are not necessary.
What's your take?
Why on earth would we need to expand the military by 90,000 troops if he's planning on ending the war and being a 'diplomat'???
I'm confused.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
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-Oscar Wilde
but hell yeah, and a good photoshop job to boot. :cool:
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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So another politician who never served says people should join up. I wonder if he will encourage his daughters to enlist, or will they be too busy taking his mandatory Spanish classes?
Who needs context? Text schmext. Its much more fun to take soundbytes provide them with no context at all and bend someones words to fit your own biased agenda against that person.
This place reminds me of a highschool more and more everyday.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
"Just as we must value and encourage military service across our society, we must honor and expand other opportunities to serve. Because the future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson, but it also depends on the teacher in East LA, the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, and the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia. Americans have shown that they want to step up. But we're not keeping pace with the demand of those who want to serve, or leveraging that commitment to meet national challenges. FDR not only enlisted Americans to create employment, he targeted that service to build our infrastructure and conserve our environment. JFK not only called on a new generation, he made their service a bridge to the developing world, and a bright light of American values in the darkest days of the Cold War."
God forbid someone mention the military in a speech about the need for service given on the fourth of freaking July.!!
HITLER!!!! WARMONGER!!!!!
Sheesh.
i think i just heard the bell. Quick, clear away the pot smoke and exit the restroom. Its time for a lockerstop on the way to fifth period.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
I think Obama was kind of running with Kennedy's message, but it's clear that he wants to make sure our forces are fortified "just in case". In this case, I think he knows we are not leaving Iraq right away, or even in the next few years. And sabers are a rattlin' at Iran, so you can never have enough "volunteers". How long did the Vietnam war last??
So another politician who never served says people should join up. I wonder if he will encourage his daughters to enlist, or will they be too busy taking his mandatory Spanish classes?
I think he's going to have them building the fence to keep us safe....
Peace through Strength....if you have the ability to backup your diplomacy with action if required...said diplomacy is far more effective.
Not to mention, they can also be used at home helping with natural disaster areas...we've seen where this could be helpful, no?
Oh yes, the old 'peace through a huge group of armed men with stockpiles of weapons pointed at ya.'
I don't know about you, but usually threats and requesting more weapons and people trained to use them hasn't resulted in too much peace on this here planet. Perhaps it's time we try another way.
This is all based on playing into your fears, insecurities and distrust. The worst human traits to promote peace with.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Of course thats how you see it. You're seeing carefuly selected soundbytes through a haze of bong smoke.
What are we to do? Completely eliminate our military? Scrap it altogether. Who needs it, right? Afterall, once we scrap ours the global community will follow. :rolleyes:
Acknowledging the importance of a military does not equal "sabre rattling" nor is it foreshadowing of some sinister plot to attack Iran, or anywhere else for that matter.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
"Just as we must value and encourage military service across our society, we must honor and expand other opportunities to serve. Because the future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson, but it also depends on the teacher in East LA, the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, and the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia. Americans have shown that they want to step up. But we're not keeping pace with the demand of those who want to serve, or leveraging that commitment to meet national challenges. FDR not only enlisted Americans to create employment, he targeted that service to build our infrastructure and conserve our environment. JFK not only called on a new generation, he made their service a bridge to the developing world, and a bright light of American values in the darkest days of the Cold War."
God forbid someone mention the military in a speech about the need for service given on the fourth of freaking July.!!
HITLER!!!! WARMONGER!!!!!
Sheesh.
i think i just heard the bell. Quick, clear away the pot smoke and exit the restroom. Its time for a lockerstop on the way to fifth period.
"Just as we must value and encourage military service across our society, we must honor and expand other opportunities to serve. Because the future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson, but it also depends on the teacher in East LA, the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, and the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia. Americans have shown that they want to step up. But we're not keeping pace with the demand of those who want to serve, or leveraging that commitment to meet national challenges. FDR not only enlisted Americans to create employment, he targeted that service to build our infrastructure and conserve our environment. JFK not only called on a new generation, he made their service a bridge to the developing world, and a bright light of American values in the darkest days of the Cold War."
God forbid someone mention the military in a speech about the need for service given on the fourth of freaking July.!!
HITLER!!!! WARMONGER!!!!!
Sheesh.
i think i just heard the bell. Quick, clear away the pot smoke and exit the restroom. Its time for a lockerstop on the way to fifth period.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Who needs context? Text schmext. Its much more fun to take soundbytes provide them with no context at all and bend someones words to fit your own biased agenda against that person.
This place reminds me of a highschool more and more everyday.
The only thing that is high school is you coming in here and acting like anyone that doesn't share your view of the matter is some how immature.
I put up a link....sorry if it wasn't the complete speech but the things that I posted were my concerns and they have not been resolved since reading the entire speech. It doesn't change the fact that Obama wants to modernize and expand the military by 90,000 troops and that he is encouraging people to enlist when all the while he and his supporters prop him up as this guy who is going to end the war, change our foreign policy and be this diplomatic guy who will only use the military as a last resort. How does any of that rhetoric make any sense when he is already calling to build the military up even larger before he even takes office?
You guys come on here and make the EXACT same justifications that the conservatives of this board made back in 03/04 yet you want us to believe you all are some how different and righteous. How exactly? Why is it okay for Democrats to rationalize these things but it's warmongering when it's the Republicans?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Of course thats how you see it. You're seeing carefuly selected soundbytes through a haze of bong smoke.
What are we to do? Completely eliminate our military? Scrap it altogether. Who needs it, right? Afterall, once we scrap ours the global community will follow. :rolleyes:
Acknowledging the importance of a military does not equal "sabre rattling" nor is it foreshadowing of some sinister plot to attack Iran, or anywhere else for that matter.
What was it you were saying about high school, again? You mean like making personal attacks instead of trying to hold a civil discussion? If you can't manage to come here and reply to people who disagree with you without losing your head then maybe the maturity concerns you have should be focused more inwards.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Oh yes, the old 'peace through a huge group of armed men with stockpiles of weapons pointed at ya.'
If someone breaks into your house, and you yell, "Stop! I don't have a gun!" -- that's not quite as effective as "Stop or I'll shoot."
That's the one thing Reagan (and, apparently, Metalllica) understood: To secure peace is to prepare for war.
The United State needs a large and strong military, now more than ever. Not to use that force all over the world, but in hopes of never having to use that force.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
If someone breaks into your house, and you yell, "Stop! I don't have a gun!" -- that's not quite as effective as "Stop or I'll shoot."
That's the one thing Reagan (and, apparently, Metalllica) understood: To secure peace is to prepare for war.
The United State needs a large and strong military, now more than ever. Not to use that force all over the world, but in hopes of never having to use that force.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
If someone breaks into your house, and you yell, "Stop! I don't have a gun!" -- that's not quite as effective as "Stop or I'll shoot."
That's the one thing Reagan (and, apparently, Metalllica) understood: To secure peace is to prepare for war.
The United State needs a large and strong military, now more than ever. Not to use that force all over the world, but in hopes of never having to use that force.
Yeah, I don't buy into fear. Those that do are usually not the most peaceful types, I've found.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
This is all based on playing into your fears, insecurities and distrust. The worst human traits to promote peace with.
One person's "fears, insecurities, and distrust" is another person's "planning, diligence, and preparedness?
Anyhow, it all about how you use your resources. But ensuring you have resources available is a good idea. They should never be used lightly...as has been proven.
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I never said that I believe it should be the solution, just that others here have made that exact argument.
or a congress that acts as something other than a rubber stamp
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Why on earth would we need to expand the military by 90,000 troops if he's planning on ending the war and being a 'diplomat'???
I'm confused.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
no doubts...
but hell yeah, and a good photoshop job to boot. :cool:
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Who needs context? Text schmext. Its much more fun to take soundbytes provide them with no context at all and bend someones words to fit your own biased agenda against that person.
This place reminds me of a highschool more and more everyday.
God forbid someone mention the military in a speech about the need for service given on the fourth of freaking July.!!
HITLER!!!! WARMONGER!!!!!
Sheesh.
i think i just heard the bell. Quick, clear away the pot smoke and exit the restroom. Its time for a lockerstop on the way to fifth period.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Peace through Strength....if you have the ability to backup your diplomacy with action if required...said diplomacy is far more effective.
Not to mention, they can also be used at home helping with natural disaster areas...we've seen where this could be helpful, no?
I think he's going to have them building the fence to keep us safe....
Yep, that's how I see it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Oh yes, the old 'peace through a huge group of armed men with stockpiles of weapons pointed at ya.'
I don't know about you, but usually threats and requesting more weapons and people trained to use them hasn't resulted in too much peace on this here planet. Perhaps it's time we try another way.
This is all based on playing into your fears, insecurities and distrust. The worst human traits to promote peace with.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
hahahahahaha...
yeah, ok :rolleyes:
Of course thats how you see it. You're seeing carefuly selected soundbytes through a haze of bong smoke.
What are we to do? Completely eliminate our military? Scrap it altogether. Who needs it, right? Afterall, once we scrap ours the global community will follow. :rolleyes:
Acknowledging the importance of a military does not equal "sabre rattling" nor is it foreshadowing of some sinister plot to attack Iran, or anywhere else for that matter.
now thats f'n funny!
"To a Hammer, everything looks like a nail" - this has become our diplomacy for far too long (decades upon decades).
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
The only thing that is high school is you coming in here and acting like anyone that doesn't share your view of the matter is some how immature.
I put up a link....sorry if it wasn't the complete speech but the things that I posted were my concerns and they have not been resolved since reading the entire speech. It doesn't change the fact that Obama wants to modernize and expand the military by 90,000 troops and that he is encouraging people to enlist when all the while he and his supporters prop him up as this guy who is going to end the war, change our foreign policy and be this diplomatic guy who will only use the military as a last resort. How does any of that rhetoric make any sense when he is already calling to build the military up even larger before he even takes office?
You guys come on here and make the EXACT same justifications that the conservatives of this board made back in 03/04 yet you want us to believe you all are some how different and righteous. How exactly? Why is it okay for Democrats to rationalize these things but it's warmongering when it's the Republicans?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
What was it you were saying about high school, again? You mean like making personal attacks instead of trying to hold a civil discussion? If you can't manage to come here and reply to people who disagree with you without losing your head then maybe the maturity concerns you have should be focused more inwards.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Problem?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If someone breaks into your house, and you yell, "Stop! I don't have a gun!" -- that's not quite as effective as "Stop or I'll shoot."
That's the one thing Reagan (and, apparently, Metalllica) understood: To secure peace is to prepare for war.
The United State needs a large and strong military, now more than ever. Not to use that force all over the world, but in hopes of never having to use that force.
for the least they could possibly do
Miltiary for security is great and in extraordinary circumstances, necessary but when in excess a great danger and no-longer reactive, but pro-active.
"To a Hammer, everything looks like a nail" - this has become our diplomacy for far too long (decades upon decades).
Also, the idea that you are referring to "perpetual war for perpetual peace" is simply unfounded. It is a self-fullfilling prophecy. It is a fallacy.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Yeah, I don't buy into fear. Those that do are usually not the most peaceful types, I've found.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
One person's "fears, insecurities, and distrust" is another person's "planning, diligence, and preparedness?
Anyhow, it all about how you use your resources. But ensuring you have resources available is a good idea. They should never be used lightly...as has been proven.
Yet you want single payer medical benefit system for all just in case....
Don't be so scared about becoming hurt or sick