Why support Nader?

soulsinging

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Nader: "If the Democrats can't landslide the Republicans this year, they ought to just wrap up,"

he said that in 2000 too.

soulsinging

SundaySilence wrote:

On an issue by issue basis, americans would support Nader. See the Civics Test in the original post for examples.

i very very very highly doubt that is true.

polaris

anyone consider the fact nader might actually take republican votes away ... i mean the blanket republicans that are pissed at bush but can't bring themselves to vote democrat ... or the ones that think mccain is too liberal (which is hilarious in it of itself) ...

anyways - i would vote for nader in a heartbeat given the other 2 choices ...

Abookamongstthemany

soulsinging wrote:

he said that in 2000 too.

It's a shame they can't learn from the past and run on more important issues.

Also, I don't think a landslide was nearly as likely in 2000 coming off a Democratic presidency with so much scandal.

soulsinging

polaris wrote:

anyone consider the fact nader might actually take republican votes away ... i mean the blanket republicans that are pissed at bush but can't bring themselves to vote democrat ... or the ones that think mccain is too liberal (which is hilarious in it of itself) ...

anyways - i would vote for nader in a heartbeat given the other 2 choices ...

they think mccain is too liberal so they're going to vote for nader? that makes no sense.

SundaySilence

soulsinging wrote:

i very very very highly doubt that is true.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I see a few damn good reasons.

"Of the following Presidential candidates – Ralph Nader, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain – which one supports a single payer, Canadian style, free choice, Medicare for all health care system?

Answer: Ralph Nader

October, 2003 Washington Post/ABC poll, by almost a two-to-one margin (62 percent to 33 percent), Americans said that they preferred a universal system that would provide coverage to everyone under a government program, as opposed to the current employer-based system.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Which one supports solar energy and would take nuclear power off the table?

Answer: Ralph Nader

CBS News/New York Times Poll. April 20-24, 2007. N=1,052 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Would you approve or disapprove of building more nuclear power plants to generate electricity?"

Approve 45%
Disapprove 47%
Unsure 8%


"Would you approve or disapprove if a nuclear power plant to generate electricity is built in your community?"

Approve 36%
Disapprove 59%
Unsure 5%

"Would you be willing or not willing to pay higher taxes on gasoline and other fuels if the money was used for research into renewable sources like solar and wind energy?"

Willing 64%
Not Willing 33%
Not Sure 3%

"Some people say using nuclear power to generate electricity is a good idea because uranium fuel is available in North America and nuclear power doesn't contribute to global warming. Other people say using nuclear power is a bad idea because of the risk of accident and the fact there is still no long-term solution for nuclear waste disposal. What do you think -- is using nuclear power to generate electricity mostly a good
idea or mostly a bad idea?"

Good 36%
Bad 58%
Unsure 6%

"Some people say using renewable energy sources, like solar and wind power, to generate electricity is a good idea because they are readily available and better for the environment. Other people say using renewable energy sources are a bad idea because they are too expensive and can be unreliable. What do you think -- is using renewable energy sources to generate electricity mostly a good idea or mostly a bad idea?"

Good 87%
Bad 9%
Unsure 4%

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Which one would cut the huge bloated wasteful military budget?

Answer: Ralph Nader

Gallup Poll. Feb. 1-4, 2007. N=1,007 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"There is much discussion as to the amount of money the government in Washington should spend for national defense and military purposes. How do you feel about this? Do you think we are spending too little, about the right amount, or too much?"

Too Little 20%
About Right 35%
Too Much 43%
Unsure 2%

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Which one would reverse U.S. Middle East policy in Israel/Palestine, Iraq and Iran?

Answer: Ralph Nader

Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll. Jan. 18-22, 2008. N=1,312 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all registered voters).

"In your opinion, should the United States withdraw troops from Iraq right away, or should the U.S. begin bringing troops home within the next year, or should troops stay in Iraq for as long as it takes to win the war?"

Withdraw Right Away 20%
Withdraw Within Year 43%
Stay as Long As It Takes 31%
Unsure 6%

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Which one would launch an aggressive crackdown on corporate crime and corporate welfare?

Answer: Again, only Ralph Nader."

soulsinging

SundaySilence wrote:

October, 2003 Washington Post/ABC poll, by almost a two-to-one margin (62 percent to 33 percent), Americans said that they preferred a universal system that would provide coverage to everyone under a government program, as opposed to the current employer-based system.

and both obama and hillary have plans to move towards this. health care is coming. people want it and it will happen. but it won't happen overnight, whether nader is elected or not. so he's one of 3 candidates supporting some form of national health care.

yes, people support environment issues. but when has an election ever been decided on those issues? it's not going to trump the war and health care.

SundaySilence wrote:

"There is much discussion as to the amount of money the government in Washington should spend for national defense and military purposes. How do you feel about this? Do you think we are spending too little, about the right amount, or too much?"
Too Little 20%
About Right 35%
Too Much 43%
Unsure 2%

43% want to reduce military spending. how does that show a majority or americans want to cut the military budget like nader does? 55% think it is fine or low.

SundaySilence wrote:

"In your opinion, should the United States withdraw troops from Iraq right away, or should the U.S. begin bringing troops home within the next year, or should troops stay in Iraq for as long as it takes to win the war?"
Withdraw Right Away 20%
Withdraw Within Year 43%
Stay as Long As It Takes 31%
Unsure 6%

20% are on board with nader's "get out now plan." 43% are on board with obama's proceed with caution plan. 31% are on board with mccain/clinton's stay the course plan. that doesn't look much like consensus to me.

now, you got polls on gay marriage? creation science in classrooms? raising taxes? school vouchers?

Abookamongstthemany

soulsinging wrote:

and both obama and hillary have plans to move towards this. health care is coming. people want it and it will happen. but it won't happen overnight, whether nader is elected or not. so he's one of 3 candidates supporting some form of national health care.

yes, people support environment issues. but when has an election ever been decided on those issues? it's not going to trump the war and health care.



43% want to reduce military spending. how does that show a majority or americans want to cut the military budget like nader does? 55% think it is fine or low.



20% are on board with nader's "get out now plan." 43% are on board with obama's proceed with caution plan. 31% are on board with mccain/clinton's stay the course plan. that doesn't look much like consensus to me.

now, you got polls on gay marriage? creation science in classrooms? raising taxes? school vouchers?

You are completely missing the point. You claim that this country is conservative and would reject Nader's ideas. The opposite is true. The country is leaning towards Nader's direction especially on the huge issue of healthcare(single payer) and the rapidly growing issue of the environment(don't act like you haven't noticed it), government corruption, and they want less spent on defense and more on social programs. Now...to say that most of the country has heard Nader's platform is extremely unlikely. Hell, I asked my youngest brother last night about his thoughts on Nader and he'd never even heard of him. I believe, and you can continue to disagree, that people would get behind Nader's ideas if they knew about the guy and his platform as a whole. Many aren't even aware someone is out there supporting these kinds of ideas so how can we claim he'd be rejected until he's actually heard out and without being tainted by media cries of 'unrealistic'. When do the people get to decide what they want to make real or not. To hear the media tell it, they have no power at all except to go along with whatever our politicians happen to be telling us is possible at the moment. That's not how it used to be. People got out and fought for what was right for them. They accomplished worker's rights, unions, civil liberties, voting rights etc. Now people are complacent and apathetic for sure but that's not the same as saying they wouldn't welcome the changes Nader would bring to the table if they thought he actually stood a chance. People are going to have to realize that no one can get the chance if you're too afraid to give it to them.

dontloseyourheat

http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/03/06/price-gouging/

"The gouging price of oil – today reaching over $105 a barrel – is spiking gasoline and heating oil prices."

"They are not speaking out forcefully and demanding the Justice Department and Congressional committees use their subpoena powers to delve into the workings of the these mercantile exchanges, the timing and excessively long shutdowns of refineries for repair, and the resulting refinery shortages – which curtail supply and push prices upward.

Nor do they aggressively advocate for an excess profits tax on the oil industry – a tax which has been supported by American leaders ranging from former President Harry Truman to entrepreneur and CEO Jeno Paulucci."

Im still here

Eddie Vedder for President...........

Abookamongstthemany

http://www.projectcensored.org/articles/story/an-election-without-meaning/

http://www.bestcyrano.org/THOMASPAINE/?p=642