Earthlings

halv

IamMine wrote:

Yes...

I just don't know what to say.... damn.

We are meat-eaters, but we are aware of the cruelty they go through.

We need protein for our brains... I've tried NOT eating meat and it's hard.

I don't know what to say.....

We're also overpopulating animals...but since we are at "top of the chain", unfortunately, we do have the ability to control them. :(

Or so, we think..... it'll be payback time at one point.

I used to think the same as you about not eating meat. I tried twice before I finally went vegetarian. It was hard at first, but now I couldn't imagine ever eating meat again. It was videos just like this that made me realize that a meat-based diet just supports so much cruelty (not to mention enviromental devastation) and I did not want to support it at all. I've since gone vegan which was actually really easy. And protein is still easy to get on a vegetarain or vegan diet. There's tons of meat replacements packed w/ protein. Soy milk has alot. As for un-processed foods try nuts, legumes, beans, and many vegetables. There's plenty of websites with this info.

MrMerkinball

unbeleivable.

Mans

So, it was 25 days ago that I decided to stop eating meat. It's something that I've always said I was gonna do "one day", and finally I just said to myself, JUST DO IT. So i said I would do it for 7 days and see how it went. After about 4 days I had my mind made up - never eating meat again. I really couldn't believe how easy it was. I watched this video last night, and now it seems to be the only thing I can think of. Thank-you so much for posting this. I always knew that kind of stuff was going on, but you never actually believe it until you see it. My goal is to eventually become vegan, which I'm working on. I strongly urge everyone to watch this, and give some serious thought as to what we've all been taking part in.

Peace

Hoon

Mans wrote:

So, it was 25 days ago that I decided to stop eating meat. It's something that I've always said I was gonna do "one day", and finally I just said to myself, JUST DO IT. So i said I would do it for 7 days and see how it went. After about 4 days I had my mind made up - never eating meat again. I really couldn't believe how easy it was. I watched this video last night, and now it seems to be the only thing I can think of. Thank-you so much for posting this. I always knew that kind of stuff was going on, but you never actually believe it until you see it. My goal is to eventually become vegan, which I'm working on. I strongly urge everyone to watch this, and give some serious thought as to what we've all been taking part in.

Peace

Congrats on your new diet, better health and clearer conscience. Once people learn about it they see how easy it is.

I hope to go veggie to vegan some time soon.

I love regular cheese and icecream so much....but I have some connections around here and someone is going to hook me up with the quality vegan versions.

Collin

I'd hate to offend anyone, but since when is eating meat unhealthy? And why exactly is it you want to become a vegan, you'll need to rely upon artificial nutrient sources, I wonder if that isn't a bit extreme and unhealthy?

Hoon

Collin wrote:

I'd hate to offend anyone, but since when is eating meat unhealthy? And why exactly is it you want to become a vegan, you'll need to rely upon artificial nutrient sources, I wonder if that isn't a bit extreme and unhealthy?

Great maybe you can help us out. What artificial nutrient sources will I need for my Vegan diet?

Mans

Collin wrote:

I'd hate to offend anyone, but since when is eating meat unhealthy? And why exactly is it you want to become a vegan, you'll need to rely upon artificial nutrient sources, I wonder if that isn't a bit extreme and unhealthy?

No offense taken. I don't think eating meat is unhealthy, just a personal decision not to do it anymore. And, no, becomming vegan doesn't mean you have to rely on artificial nutrient sources. Well, not if you do it the proper way anyway. I'm still learning and hence doing a lot of research on how to do this the healthy way.

halv

Collin wrote:

I'd hate to offend anyone, but since when is eating meat unhealthy? And why exactly is it you want to become a vegan, you'll need to rely upon artificial nutrient sources, I wonder if that isn't a bit extreme and unhealthy?

Vegan/vegetarianism is incredibly healthy. The percentage of people overweight while vegetarian is something like 3%. It's much much higher for meat eaters. You get all the nutrients and protein you need with a balanced vegan diet. You do not need anything "artificial" it's just that fake-meat products now exist as many people grew up enjoying hamburgers, dairy-cheese, etc. Now they can have a veggie burger or soy or rice cheese as an alternative. Nothing about this is "artificial", it's just not meat based. Soy ice cream tastes amazing!! Try So Good butterscotch.
A vegetarian diet provides you with all the nutrients you need with much less fat and cholesterol. And at the same time you are helping to stop animal cruelty and the massive enviromental costs associated with the meat industry.
It's a win win!! Plus eating is just much more fun now.
An amazing vegan recipe book is "How it all Vegan".

Hoon

halv wrote:

Vegan/vegetarianism is incredibly healthy. The percentage of people overweight while vegetarian is something like 3%. It's much much higher for meat eaters. You get all the nutrients and protein you need with a balanced vegan diet. You do not need anything "artificial" it's just that fake-meat products now exist as many people grew up enjoying hamburgers, dairy-cheese, etc. Now they can have a veggie burger or soy or rice cheese as an alternative. Nothing about this is "artificial", it's just not meat based. Soy ice cream tastes amazing!! Try So Good butterscotch.
A vegetarian diet provides you with all the nutrients you need with much less fat and cholesterol. And at the same time you are helping to stop animal cruelty and the massive enviromental costs associated with the meat industry.
It's a win win!! Plus eating is just much more fun now.
An amazing vegan recipe book is "How it all Vegan".

I have the "Becoming Vegan" The complete guide to adopting a healthy plant based diet by Davis and Melina. They have a vegitarian version too. Great simple 280 page book. Lots of tables that break down each food so you can do the math and get everything you need.

My recipe book is "The complete Vegan Cookbook" by geiskopf and Toomay It has some good stuff in it.

The net has some Huge collections of good recipes too, you just have to find them.

I'll check "How it all Vegan" out. Is it the tops?

sourdough

Being vegan/vegetarian doesn't necessarily mean healthier eating. I'm not sure where you got the 3% obesity rate for veggies, but just through personal observation, there seems to be a higher percentage than that. You have to be much more conscious of your diet if you cut out meats to ensure that you do get proper nutrients and vitamins that are now eliminated from your diet. I would indeed like to cut out meat from my diet, more for environmental reasons than for health reasons.

Minimally, and more realistically, (once we can afford it) we are going to move towards organic meats and free range meat sources and just try to cut back a bit in general. Not as a cop out, but with my super duper fast matabolism, it would probably be ill advised for me to cut meat out completely.

I'm actually downloading the movie and then will watch it and I'll comment more specifically on the documentary once its through. I don't ever agree with excessive violence or flagrant brutality, but the truth of the matter is that death is intrinsic to food production, even a vegetarian one. Wild animals don't typically have nice peaceful deaths either, but I do disagree with placing unnecessary pain/distress to animals.

hippiemom

sourdough wrote:

Being vegan/vegetarian doesn't necessarily mean healthier eating. I'm not sure where you got the 3% obesity rate for veggies, but just through personal observation, there seems to be a higher percentage than that. You have to be much more conscious of your diet if you cut out meats to ensure that you do get proper nutrients and vitamins that are now eliminated from your diet. I would indeed like to cut out meat from my diet, more for environmental reasons than for health reasons.

Minimally, and more realistically, (once we can afford it) we are going to move towards organic meats and free range meat sources and just try to cut back a bit in general. Not as a cop out, but with my super duper fast matabolism, it would probably be ill advised for me to cut meat out completely.

I'm actually downloading the movie and then will watch it and I'll comment more specifically on the documentary once its through. I don't ever agree with excessive violence or flagrant brutality, but the truth of the matter is that death is intrinsic to food production, even a vegetarian one. Wild animals don't typically have nice peaceful deaths either, but I do disagree with placing unnecessary pain/distress to animals.

My problem isn't so much with their deaths ... after all, most deaths are unpleasant, including human ones ... but with their lives. Animals being kept in dirty, over-crowded conditions, never once in their lives seeing the sky or breathing fresh air, baby animals separated from their mothers soon after being born, force-fed hormones and drugs and chemicals and things they would never in a million years choose to eat, such as cows being fed beef by-products ... that's the stuff that bothers me. I have no intention of ever eating meat again, but if for some reason I did, I'd have to do some research and find an organic farm that still raises animals the way they do in children's books ... cows grazing in the field, chickens roaming in the yard, pigs slopping around in their outdoor pens.

sourdough

hippiemom wrote:

My problem isn't so much with their deaths ... after all, most deaths are unpleasant, including human ones ... but with their lives. Animals being kept in dirty, over-crowded conditions, never once in their lives seeing the sky or breathing fresh air, baby animals separated from their mothers soon after being born, force-fed hormones and drugs and chemicals and things they would never in a million years choose to eat, such as cows being fed beef by-products ... that's the stuff that bothers me. I have no intention of ever eating meat again, but if for some reason I did, I'd have to do some research and find an organic farm that still raises animals the way they do in children's books ... cows grazing in the field, chickens roaming in the yard, pigs slopping around in their outdoor pens.

I agree with you completely. This is why I am moving towards organic/free range meat. Do you have any ethical issues if raised without drugs/hormones and free range? I don't really have any problems with that in this case with the exception of the environmental problems of course, but hopefully I can also find some local meat. I also hope to go hunting at least once in my life.