Two-party system fears Ralph Nader's candidacy

Abookamongstthemany

DixieN wrote:

No one is afraid of Ralph Nader's candidacy, least of all the 2-party system. Especially not this time around.

Then they should have no problem with letting him in on the national debates, now would they?

puremagic

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I don't think things are going to be much different under a Dem. They have let us down term after term. It's time we, as a people, got bold enough to stop playing this rigged game we'll never win and start making our own rules. There's a lot about Obama that bothers me and others. It would make me feel a bit better if people were honest about these things and pressed him about it. They just seem content with whatever he throws out there...there is no effort or even strong/ skeptical criticism to guide him as a candidate into more of what the left and even center believes in.(single payer healthcare, reduction in military/defense spending, better alternative energy plans to name a few) That's what so important about having independents running. It forces the mainstream guys to address the issues that their corporate contributors would rather they continue to ignore. If they don't address our concerns then they'll lose votes from those of us who will not play their game and will be not simply sit back and be complacent about what direction we want the country headed. It's not about me in the least...it's about all of us standing up as true citizenry and showing our politicians we are activiely involved and aware of what's going on, that we know about their shady dealings, that we have a problem with them saying one thing and not really doing it, that we're not going to be the apathetic types who just shrug and accept it anymore. As long as the two party system has us in check believing that we have no power over the situation and that they are the best we can hope for...they are going to continue to do, as they have for as long as I can remember, the least possible they can get by with to keep the population appeased while maintaining power. I'm not going to be appeased by them anymore. Voting for them is saying I don't mind the shit they've been pulling...that I'll just deal with it as long as it keeps a Rep out of office. That is half-assed. They don't have any power over me and I will vote for who I think would be the best president. If we all did the same, they wouldn't have power now. Nothing is stopping people from voting these guys out but our own fear.

I do write my representatives and I bug the shit out of the local school district regularly....(most recently about the new single gender programs and their horrible sex ed programs which kids don't even have to attend) I have not ran for any kind of seat...I'm a bit shy and very awkward about public speaking. But I have given it thought. I would love to but I have a lot of personal issues I'd have to overcome. I also have groups I've joined but they are mostly based in Asheville and it's hard to be able to make those meetings.(I don't drive and it's 2 hours away). I live in a small town in SC that is very conservative so it isn't the best situation for me. I do what I can. If I lived elsewhere it would be more ideal to do the kind of things I'd like to but my family is here and they need me now.

You'd be an asset to anyone's campaign, even your own.

Abookamongstthemany

puremagic wrote:

You'd be an asset to anyone's campaign, even your own.

Thank you

my2hands

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Thank you

you should volunteer for the Obama campaign

Abookamongstthemany

my2hands wrote:

you should volunteer for the Obama campaign

As a spy. hehehe

beachdweller

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I agree with you about Gore. But I will remain optimistic about Nader's support this go round. And even he doesn't do well, I'll still know I stood up for who I believed best represented my ideals.

just a note, my opinions of the Nadar situation are never in anyway knocking anyone for voting for what they believe.

the way Hillary has handled her campaign staff, a mess, and is not attacking Barak personally, I don't think I would vote for her she was able to steal the nomination.

anyone think the FL situation was a calculated move on the Republican party? the state government, republican controlled, moved the primary against the Dem's wishes, and you had to see this mess coming a mile away once the dem party didn't back down in striping the delegates last year. Fl state dem's need to use this against the Republicans.

beachdweller

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I don't think things are going to be much different under a Dem. They have let us down term after term. It's time we, as a people, got bold enough to stop playing this rigged game we'll never win and start making our own rules. There's a lot about Obama that bothers me and others. It would make me feel a bit better if people were honest about these things and pressed him about it. They just seem content with whatever he throws out there...there is no effort or even strong/ skeptical criticism to guide him as a candidate into more of what the left and even center believes in.(single payer healthcare, reduction in military/defense spending, better alternative energy plans to name a few) That's what so important about having independents running. It forces the mainstream guys to address the issues that their corporate contributors would rather they continue to ignore. If they don't address our concerns then they'll lose votes from those of us who will not play their game and will be not simply sit back and be complacent about what direction we want the country headed. It's not about me in the least...it's about all of us standing up as true citizenry and showing our politicians we are activiely involved and aware of what's going on, that we know about their shady dealings, that we have a problem with them saying one thing and not really doing it, that we're not going to be the apathetic types who just shrug and accept it anymore. As long as the two party system has us in check believing that we have no power over the situation and that they are the best we can hope for...they are going to continue to do, as they have for as long as I can remember, the least possible they can get by with to keep the population appeased while maintaining power. I'm not going to be appeased by them anymore. Voting for them is saying I don't mind the shit they've been pulling...that I'll just deal with it as long as it keeps a Rep out of office. That is half-assed. They don't have any power over me and I will vote for who I think would be the best president. If we all did the same, they wouldn't have power now. Nothing is stopping people from voting these guys out but our own fear.

I do write my representatives and I bug the shit out of the local school district regularly....(most recently about the new single gender programs and their horrible sex ed programs which kids don't even have to attend) I have not ran for any kind of seat...I'm a bit shy and very awkward about public speaking. But I have given it thought. I would love to but I have a lot of personal issues I'd have to overcome. I also have groups I've joined but they are mostly based in Asheville and it's hard to be able to make those meetings.(I don't drive and it's 2 hours away). I live in a small town in SC that is very conservative so it isn't the best situation for me. I do what I can. If I lived elsewhere it would be more ideal to do the kind of things I'd like to but my family is here and they need me now.

I think that Obama would lead to more change than most not thought of as radical. If he failed us miserably, that would just strengthen the possibilities inn the future for a Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nadar type. I think it'll take more failures to lead a majority to their thinking, and the way our country works, many more years. Sheep follow the flock, funny thing is they are blind to the fact that they are actually following the wolf.

Abookamongstthemany

beachdweller wrote:

I think that Obama would lead to more change than most not thought of as radical. If he failed us miserably, that would just strengthen the possibilities inn the future for a Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nadar type. I think it'll take more failures to lead a majority to their thinking, and the way our country works, many more years. Sheep follow the flock, funny thing is they are blind to the fact that they are actually following the wolf.

I don't see much changing with him. Did things change much after the 06 elections? No, people saw the Dems come out supporting things they spoke out against in their campaigns. Did things really change much with Clinton? I'm seeing the same wishy washy, vague type plans from Obama.

Abookamongstthemany

MrSmith wrote:

Nader is going to get even less than he got in 04. Far less.

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Abookamongstthemany

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/nader_making_pr.html

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1467

You guys need to push/guide your candidate into addressing the issues they have so far been avoiding. Many progressives aren't going to vote for them.

Abookamongstthemany

Patti Smith and Ralph Nader - Awake From Your Slumber

http://www.artthreat.net/2008/03/newest-presidential-candidate-


http://awakefromyourslumber.org/

dontloseyourheat

"Awake from your slumber, get em with the numbers"

IWillLiveForeve

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/nader_making_pr.html

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1467

You guys need to push/guide your candidate into addressing the issues they have so far been avoiding. Many progressives aren't going to vote for them.

This is so fucked. The one election where a Democrat should have a cake walk, and they/we can't get their/our shit together on it. Jesus. It is exactly this divisiveness that led to George W. (I have lost money on every business venture I've been involved in, including an MLB franchise that is exempt from the Sherman Act) Bush being president. so depressing

Commy

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

This is so fucked. The one election where a Democrat should have a cake walk, and they/we can't get their/our shit together on it. Jesus. It is exactly this divisiveness that led to George W. (I have lost money on every business venture I've been involved in, including an MLB franchise that is exempt from the Sherman Act) Bush being president. so depressing

part of that was election fraud from the gop and the other part was the dems giving us absolutely no one worth a shit to vote for. nothing's given.

my2hands

Commy wrote:

the dems giving us absolutely no one worth a shit to vote for.

there is one worth a shit, he is currently on the ballot

Commy

my2hands wrote:

there is one worth a shit, he is currently on the ballot

thinkin about it man

Abookamongstthemany

my2hands wrote:

there is one worth a shit, he is currently on the ballot

If you mean Obama, then I'll have to say we differ in opinion where that's concerned. Not to say the guy's not worth a shit as a person but he's not worth my vote.