not stupid, not easily fooled, just have a different view than you. in obama i see some hope for things to be different than they are now. i'm looking for change and a fresh start. it's better than what we have now. in my opinion.
and even if you don't agree, i wouldn't call you stupid, but you carry on with that if it makes you feel better.
is kucinich stupid? i'm sure he doesn't like everything about obama but he publically endorsed him.
“I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice this Thursday, because of my singular positions on the war, on health care, and trade. This is an opportunity for people to stand up for themselves. But in those caucus locations where my support doesn’t reach the necessary threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change.”
and is nader stupid?
Mr. Nader is clear that he prefers Mr. Obama to Hillary Clinton. "With her, we'll just get what Bill gave us. I think she's like Bill Clinton. With Obama, there's the possibility of some fresh start, just like Kennedy did the Peace Corps. You see, when Obama got out of Harvard Law School, he went to work for a short period with a group I started in New York, the New York Public Interest Research Group. Then he went and did neighborhood work in Chicago, so it's not like he's coming off some corporate mountain
I hate some peoples elitist attitude that if you don't agree with them politically then you must be stupid.
Thanks for entering the discussion Mr. Ann Coulter.
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Possible?...sure. But look at Obama, his most recent words. How much of it is fresh and new...what's different about him? other than color.
Also, sure Obama would bring some small change, but it will only be on the surface. But perhaps that's deep enough for you? It's not for me.
and hey i'm sorry..I don't mean to be so offensive....well, maybe a little. just a bit,
I don't know. Just take a really good look at it all. Look at Obama, check his Israeli policy. Don't these things matter? He even voted to fund the Iraq war... does it not matter?
Sure he may say that it was to protect the troops, but i'll tell you what, without the money, how can you have the war? How could it continue?
Possible?...sure. But look at Obama, his most recent words. How much of it is fresh and new...what's different about him? other than color.
Also, sure Obama would bring some small change, but it will only be on the surface. But perhaps that's deep enough for you? It's not for me.
and hey i'm sorry..I don't mean to be so offensive....well, maybe a little. just a bit,
I don't know. Just take a really good look at it all. Look at Obama, check his Israeli policy. Don't these things matter? He even voted to fund the Iraq war... does it not matter?
Sure he may say that it was to protect the troops, but i'll tell you what, without the money, how can you have the war? How could it continue?
for what it's worth and that's probably not much, a couple of things inititally had me leaning towards obama. the kucinich endorsement was one. he saw hope in obama. and of the roughly 250 democrats who make a living from foreign policy, 90% supported him for president, primarily because they believed he had the best chance to restore America's positive standing in the world.
if it is only a small change initially, then i see it as better than what we have now. now of course i don't just want a small change. voting McCain leaves things exactly as they are now which is not acceptable to me.
it has been suggested here by others that Obama's ability to inspire should not be trusted, citing other charismatic leaders who have inspired their people to do great harm. i am not arguing that we should support Obama for his charisma and inspirational ability alone. i like that he doesn't attempt to manipulate through fear. I want a leader who appeals to our better nature. people criticize Obama for appealing to hope. I would much rather take a leader who appeals to unity and hope than one who appeals to distrust and fear.
the two issues most important to me are health care and war (or more appropriately, Peace)
i know obama has been criticized for not providing enough details, or for not speaking strongly enough for Universal Health Care. if you look at what he says, his goal is to make sure that everyone who wants quality health care afford it. now from my point of view, as long as he remains committed to that goal, and can build a mandate and the political will to achieve it, then he has done his job. the rest of the job is up to the legislative branch, and to us, to force the legislative branch to do its job.
i want a leader who can guide us back towards peace, and a leader that recognizes that this war is going nowhere fast.
obama july 4th 2008.
Let me be as clear as I can be,” I intend to end this war. My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war — responsibly, deliberately, but decisively.
And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades a month, and, again, that pace translates into having our combat troops out in 16 months’ time
now anyone can provide links or part quotes to burn me to pieces with my beliefs. at the end of the day, i believe in obama. kucinich said he sees 'change' with obama and nader says he there's a possibility of a fresh start.
I don't know. Just take a really good look at it all. Look at Obama, check his Israeli policy. Don't these things matter? He even voted to fund the Iraq war... does it not matter?
Sure he may say that it was to protect the troops, but i'll tell you what, without the money, how can you have the war? How could it continue?
just quickly on this, i agree that without the money you can't have the war.
i don't agree with everything obama has done, but i still believe he will bring the troops home home quicker than anyone else when he is elected.
for what it's worth and that's probably not much, a couple of things inititally had me leaning towards obama. the kucinich endorsement was one. he saw hope in obama. and of the roughly 250 democrats who make a living from foreign policy, 90% supported him for president, primarily because they believed he had the best chance to restore America's positive standing in the world.
if it is only a small change initially, then i see it as better than what we have now. now of course i don't just want a small change. voting McCain leaves things exactly as they are now which is not acceptable to me.
it has been suggested here by others that Obama's ability to inspire should not be trusted, citing other charismatic leaders who have inspired their people to do great harm. i am not arguing that we should support Obama for his charisma and inspirational ability alone. i like that he doesn't attempt to manipulate through fear. I want a leader who appeals to our better nature. people criticize Obama for appealing to hope. I would much rather take a leader who appeals to unity and hope than one who appeals to distrust and fear.
the two issues most important to me are health care and war (or more appropriately, Peace)
i know obama has been criticized for not providing enough details, or for not speaking strongly enough for Universal Health Care. if you look at what he says, his goal is to make sure that everyone who wants quality health care afford it. now from my point of view, as long as he remains committed to that goal, and can build a mandate and the political will to achieve it, then he has done his job. the rest of the job is up to the legislative branch, and to us, to force the legislative branch to do its job.
i want a leader who can guide us back towards peace, and a leader that recognizes that this war is going nowhere fast.
obama july 4th 2008.
Let me be as clear as I can be,” I intend to end this war. My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war — responsibly, deliberately, but decisively.
And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades a month, and, again, that pace translates into having our combat troops out in 16 months’ time
now anyone can provide links or part quotes to burn me to pieces with my beliefs. at the end of the day, i believe in obama. kucinich said he sees 'change' with obama and nader says he there's a possibility of a fresh start.
i see it too.
Dennis Kucinich has never publicly endorsed Obama for President. He only made that statement during one primary to vote for him. He hasn't said one word since in support of Obama...that I'm aware of anyways. (if you have some kind of clip or anything with Kucinich encouraging people to vote Obama, please share it with the rest of us). From what I have read, Dennis Kucinich HAS NOT publicly endorsed anyone for president. So let's discontinue this falsehood, please.
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Look at what I don't agree with them on, some big issues dude!
It's not like oh, you like strawberries and i'm like, 'yo..you are so stupid'
it's like, 'dude, how can you support someone who voted this way and perhaps, no did cause the death of thousands of innocent people?'
like do you get it now?
I completely get what you are saying! And it's so true. If you're supporting someone who has voted to fund the war, continue the patriot act, support FISA then yeah....you're part of the fucking problem! And I don't mind telling you why.
There is NO justification for our continued support of this kind of shit! We have to take a stand and say 'alright, enough is e-fucking-nough! I will not support you if you seem content in disregarding our constitution and content in encouraging pre-emptive wars! No thanks, we have had enough of that bullshit already....I think we can do a bit better than that...sorry Obama, but you are simply just more of the same stuff we've seen for decades now and you will not be the kind of change we need....you are all about talk and your actions contradict your words on a daily basis now....
Please give me one reason why we should trust Obama's word? Where has he proven himself a man of honor and thus trustworthy?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Dennis Kucinich has never publicly endorsed Obama for President. He only made that statement during one primary to vote for him. He hasn't said one word since in support of Obama...that I'm aware of anyways. (if you have some kind of clip or anything with Kucinich encouraging people to vote Obama, please share it with the rest of us). From what I have read, Dennis Kucinich HAS NOT publicly endorsed anyone for president. So let's discontinue this falsehood, please.
you can call it whatever you want abook, but there's no denying that his encouragement for obama sent a huge message.
he strongly encouraged committment to obama. i doubt that was something kucinich would have done lightly.
'I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change.”
I think Nader would bring them home quicker, actually. Much quicker. Obama refused to even commit to bringing the troops home by 2013!!!
obama july 4th 2008.
'Let me be as clear as I can be,” I intend to end this war. My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war — responsibly, deliberately, but decisively.
And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades a month, and, again, that pace translates into having our combat troops out in 16 months’ time'
Possible?...sure. But look at Obama, his most recent words. How much of it is fresh and new...what's different about him? other than color.
Also, sure Obama would bring some small change, but it will only be on the surface. But perhaps that's deep enough for you? It's not for me.
and hey i'm sorry..I don't mean to be so offensive....well, maybe a little. just a bit,
I don't know. Just take a really good look at it all. Look at Obama, check his Israeli policy. Don't these things matter? He even voted to fund the Iraq war... does it not matter?
Sure he may say that it was to protect the troops, but i'll tell you what, without the money, how can you have the war? How could it continue?
Great post!
Not to mention that the Republicans always sell war as 'protecting' one group of people or another...it's just that when they do it, they are 'warmongers' but when Democrats do it, they are 'humanitarians'. It's the wonderful power of the name Democrats that makes it all excusable some how.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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Easily fooled would be more accurate.
you know, cause internet smileys are soooooo genuine.
:rolleyes:
and even if you don't agree, i wouldn't call you stupid, but you carry on with that if it makes you feel better.
is kucinich stupid? i'm sure he doesn't like everything about obama but he publically endorsed him.
“I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice this Thursday, because of my singular positions on the war, on health care, and trade. This is an opportunity for people to stand up for themselves. But in those caucus locations where my support doesn’t reach the necessary threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change.”
and is nader stupid?
Mr. Nader is clear that he prefers Mr. Obama to Hillary Clinton. "With her, we'll just get what Bill gave us. I think she's like Bill Clinton. With Obama, there's the possibility of some fresh start, just like Kennedy did the Peace Corps. You see, when Obama got out of Harvard Law School, he went to work for a short period with a group I started in New York, the New York Public Interest Research Group. Then he went and did neighborhood work in Chicago, so it's not like he's coming off some corporate mountain
I hate some peoples elitist attitude that if you don't agree with them politically then you must be stupid.
Thanks for entering the discussion Mr. Ann Coulter.
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Also, sure Obama would bring some small change, but it will only be on the surface. But perhaps that's deep enough for you? It's not for me.
and hey i'm sorry..I don't mean to be so offensive....well, maybe a little. just a bit,
I don't know. Just take a really good look at it all. Look at Obama, check his Israeli policy. Don't these things matter? He even voted to fund the Iraq war... does it not matter?
Sure he may say that it was to protect the troops, but i'll tell you what, without the money, how can you have the war? How could it continue?
not funny, pretty lame dude.
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Look at what I don't agree with them on, some big issues dude!
It's not like oh, you like strawberries and i'm like, 'yo..you are so stupid'
it's like, 'dude, how can you support someone who voted this way and perhaps, no did cause the death of thousands of innocent people?'
like do you get it now?
for what it's worth and that's probably not much, a couple of things inititally had me leaning towards obama. the kucinich endorsement was one. he saw hope in obama. and of the roughly 250 democrats who make a living from foreign policy, 90% supported him for president, primarily because they believed he had the best chance to restore America's positive standing in the world.
if it is only a small change initially, then i see it as better than what we have now. now of course i don't just want a small change. voting McCain leaves things exactly as they are now which is not acceptable to me.
it has been suggested here by others that Obama's ability to inspire should not be trusted, citing other charismatic leaders who have inspired their people to do great harm. i am not arguing that we should support Obama for his charisma and inspirational ability alone. i like that he doesn't attempt to manipulate through fear. I want a leader who appeals to our better nature. people criticize Obama for appealing to hope. I would much rather take a leader who appeals to unity and hope than one who appeals to distrust and fear.
the two issues most important to me are health care and war (or more appropriately, Peace)
i know obama has been criticized for not providing enough details, or for not speaking strongly enough for Universal Health Care. if you look at what he says, his goal is to make sure that everyone who wants quality health care afford it. now from my point of view, as long as he remains committed to that goal, and can build a mandate and the political will to achieve it, then he has done his job. the rest of the job is up to the legislative branch, and to us, to force the legislative branch to do its job.
i want a leader who can guide us back towards peace, and a leader that recognizes that this war is going nowhere fast.
obama july 4th 2008.
Let me be as clear as I can be,” I intend to end this war. My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war — responsibly, deliberately, but decisively.
And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades a month, and, again, that pace translates into having our combat troops out in 16 months’ time
now anyone can provide links or part quotes to burn me to pieces with my beliefs. at the end of the day, i believe in obama. kucinich said he sees 'change' with obama and nader says he there's a possibility of a fresh start.
i see it too.
i don't agree with everything obama has done, but i still believe he will bring the troops home home quicker than anyone else when he is elected.
Dennis Kucinich has never publicly endorsed Obama for President. He only made that statement during one primary to vote for him. He hasn't said one word since in support of Obama...that I'm aware of anyways. (if you have some kind of clip or anything with Kucinich encouraging people to vote Obama, please share it with the rest of us). From what I have read, Dennis Kucinich HAS NOT publicly endorsed anyone for president. So let's discontinue this falsehood, please.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think Nader would bring them home quicker, actually. Much quicker. Obama refused to even commit to bringing the troops home by 2013!!!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I completely get what you are saying! And it's so true. If you're supporting someone who has voted to fund the war, continue the patriot act, support FISA then yeah....you're part of the fucking problem! And I don't mind telling you why.
There is NO justification for our continued support of this kind of shit! We have to take a stand and say 'alright, enough is e-fucking-nough! I will not support you if you seem content in disregarding our constitution and content in encouraging pre-emptive wars! No thanks, we have had enough of that bullshit already....I think we can do a bit better than that...sorry Obama, but you are simply just more of the same stuff we've seen for decades now and you will not be the kind of change we need....you are all about talk and your actions contradict your words on a daily basis now....
Please give me one reason why we should trust Obama's word? Where has he proven himself a man of honor and thus trustworthy?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
he strongly encouraged committment to obama. i doubt that was something kucinich would have done lightly.
'I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change.”
'Let me be as clear as I can be,” I intend to end this war. My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war — responsibly, deliberately, but decisively.
And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades a month, and, again, that pace translates into having our combat troops out in 16 months’ time'
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
Oh, you can still have it, you'll just get alot of your kids killed alot quicker.
Great post!
Not to mention that the Republicans always sell war as 'protecting' one group of people or another...it's just that when they do it, they are 'warmongers' but when Democrats do it, they are 'humanitarians'. It's the wonderful power of the name Democrats that makes it all excusable some how.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde