Obama said he will debate his opponents

Eliot Rosewater

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

People are different and that's okay. That's the way it ought to be...the way it's got to be. To lump anyone into a category of "sheep" isn't accurate...and I may or may not have been guilty of it at some point.

BUT - Obama will NEVER make good on his word to debate his opponents and everyone here knows it. That's the real issue. Does that bother any of his supporters? I think for the most part, no, it doesn't. But that's just a little peek at his character if you ask me.

Edit: peak/peek...who cares anyway?

Eliot Rosewater

Pj_Gurl wrote:

no you're cool in my books. i've always enjoyed your posts and the way you debate

Thanks, and same to you...just don't let this stuff get to you.

Although you did mention "fun" in another post...and I can tell you this isn't "fun" for me either. But it's VERY important stuff that people DO need to be talking about.

I hate looking at the moving train before bed....it's bound to keep me up for hours as I lay in bed and try to sleep. Is it lay in bed or lie in bed?? Anyway, politics these days is extremely depressing and it's hard to be hopeful but we've gotta do it. That's the only way we can make "change"

Anon

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

BUT - Obama will NEVER make good on his word to debate his opponents and everyone here knows it. That's the real issue. Does that bother any of his supporters? I think for the most part, no, it doesn't. But that's just a little peek at his character if you ask me.

Edit: peak/peek...who cares anyway?

i would love to see him up against mccain and nader.

for serious.

i don't understand why any of his supporters wouldn't. if you believe in obama then you should not be afraid? if you are afraid then you are just fooling yourself.

or someones fooling someone.

bring it on i say.

Eliot Rosewater

Pj_Gurl wrote:

i would love to see him up against mccain and nader.

for serious.

i don't understand why any of his supporters wouldn't. if you believe in obama then you should not be afraid? if you are afraid then you are just fooling yourself.

or someones fooling someone.

bring it on i say.

Well good for you for supporting your guy. But most ARE afraid and more than that I believe very strongly that Obama himself is afraid....and the entire democratic party. But I definitely see it the way you do. If you believe in your guy and if your guy believes in himself, then why not debate? Anything else is just illogical.

Thecure

what ever happen to those townhall meetings that McCain proposed a while back. Obama said that he would do it but now i don't hear anything abotu it.

Im still here

Thecure wrote:

what ever happen to those townhall meetings that McCain proposed a while back. Obama said that he would do it but now i don't hear anything abotu it.

more Obama lies

Thecure

Im still here wrote:

more Obama lies

what abotu the media, they don't mention anything about it too. i guess it is old news.

Anon

Thecure wrote:

what ever happen to those townhall meetings that McCain proposed a while back. Obama said that he would do it but now i don't hear anything abotu it.

"Barack Obama offered to meet John McCain at five joint appearances between now and Election Day—the three traditional debates plus a joint town hall on the economy in July and an in-depth debate on foreign policy in August. That package of five engagements would have been the most of any Presidential campaign in the modern era—offering a broad range of formats—and representing a historic commitment to openness and transparency.

"It's disappointing that Senator McCain and his campaign decided to decline this proposal. Apparently they would rather contrive a political issue than foster a genuine discussion about the future of our country.

"Senator Obama believes that the American people deserve an open and accessible debate as they choose between real change and four more years of failed Bush policies, and he welcomed McCain's invitation to offer voters 'the rare opportunity of witnessing candidates for the highest office in the land discuss civilly and extensively the great issues at stake in the election,'" said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe.

Its Evolution Baby

Pj_Gurl wrote:

maybe you should ask mccain?

"Barack Obama offered to meet John McCain at five joint appearances between now and Election Day—the three traditional debates plus a joint town hall on the economy in July and an in-depth debate on foreign policy in August. That package of five engagements would have been the most of any Presidential campaign in the modern era—offering a broad range of formats—and representing a historic commitment to openness and transparency.

"It's disappointing that Senator McCain and his campaign decided to decline this proposal. Apparently they would rather contrive a political issue than foster a genuine discussion about the future of our country.

"Senator Obama believes that the American people deserve an open and accessible debate as they choose between real change and four more years of failed Bush policies, and he welcomed McCain's invitation to offer voters 'the rare opportunity of witnessing candidates for the highest office in the land discuss civilly and extensively the great issues at stake in the election,'" said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe.

Wait its just more Obama lies....

Eliot Rosewater

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Wait its just more Obama lies....

I'm pretty sure neither of them want to debate. They are one...who gives a shit about either of them.

MrBrian

Pj_Gurl wrote:

you really think obama supporters are that stupid?

Easily fooled would be more accurate.

Anon

MrBrian wrote:

Easily fooled would be more accurate.

i wish Kat and Sea would design us a smiley that has your middle finger pointing up in the air so it could be used in some instances.

you know, cause internet smileys are soooooo genuine.

:rolleyes:

MrBrian

correction, maybe they are that stupid.

Anon

MrBrian wrote:

correction, maybe they are that stupid.

not stupid, not easily fooled, just have a different view than you. in obama i see some hope for things to be different than they are now. i'm looking for change and a fresh start. it's better than what we have now. in my opinion.

and even if you don't agree, i wouldn't call you stupid, but you carry on with that if it makes you feel better.

is kucinich stupid? i'm sure he doesn't like everything about obama but he publically endorsed him.

“I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice this Thursday, because of my singular positions on the war, on health care, and trade. This is an opportunity for people to stand up for themselves. But in those caucus locations where my support doesn’t reach the necessary threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change.”

and is nader stupid?

Mr. Nader is clear that he prefers Mr. Obama to Hillary Clinton. "With her, we'll just get what Bill gave us. I think she's like Bill Clinton. With Obama, there's the possibility of some fresh start, just like Kennedy did the Peace Corps. You see, when Obama got out of Harvard Law School, he went to work for a short period with a group I started in New York, the New York Public Interest Research Group. Then he went and did neighborhood work in Chicago, so it's not like he's coming off some corporate mountain

Its Evolution Baby

MrBrian wrote:

correction, maybe they are that stupid.

I hate some peoples elitist attitude that if you don't agree with them politically then you must be stupid.

Thanks for entering the discussion Mr. Ann Coulter.

MrBrian

Possible?...sure. But look at Obama, his most recent words. How much of it is fresh and new...what's different about him? other than color.

Also, sure Obama would bring some small change, but it will only be on the surface. But perhaps that's deep enough for you? It's not for me.

and hey i'm sorry..I don't mean to be so offensive....well, maybe a little. just a bit,

I don't know. Just take a really good look at it all. Look at Obama, check his Israeli policy. Don't these things matter? He even voted to fund the Iraq war... does it not matter?

Sure he may say that it was to protect the troops, but i'll tell you what, without the money, how can you have the war? How could it continue?

MrBrian

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

I hate some peoples elitist attitude that if you don't agree with them politically then you must be stupid.

Thanks for entering the discussion Mr. Ann Coulter.

not funny, pretty lame dude.
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Look at what I don't agree with them on, some big issues dude!
It's not like oh, you like strawberries and i'm like, 'yo..you are so stupid'

it's like, 'dude, how can you support someone who voted this way and perhaps, no did cause the death of thousands of innocent people?'

like do you get it now?

Anon

MrBrian wrote:

Possible?...sure. But look at Obama, his most recent words. How much of it is fresh and new...what's different about him? other than color.

Also, sure Obama would bring some small change, but it will only be on the surface. But perhaps that's deep enough for you? It's not for me.

and hey i'm sorry..I don't mean to be so offensive....well, maybe a little. just a bit,

I don't know. Just take a really good look at it all. Look at Obama, check his Israeli policy. Don't these things matter? He even voted to fund the Iraq war... does it not matter?

Sure he may say that it was to protect the troops, but i'll tell you what, without the money, how can you have the war? How could it continue?

for what it's worth and that's probably not much, a couple of things inititally had me leaning towards obama. the kucinich endorsement was one. he saw hope in obama. and of the roughly 250 democrats who make a living from foreign policy, 90% supported him for president, primarily because they believed he had the best chance to restore America's positive standing in the world.

if it is only a small change initially, then i see it as better than what we have now. now of course i don't just want a small change. voting McCain leaves things exactly as they are now which is not acceptable to me.

it has been suggested here by others that Obama's ability to inspire should not be trusted, citing other charismatic leaders who have inspired their people to do great harm. i am not arguing that we should support Obama for his charisma and inspirational ability alone. i like that he doesn't attempt to manipulate through fear. I want a leader who appeals to our better nature. people criticize Obama for appealing to hope. I would much rather take a leader who appeals to unity and hope than one who appeals to distrust and fear.

the two issues most important to me are health care and war (or more appropriately, Peace)

i know obama has been criticized for not providing enough details, or for not speaking strongly enough for Universal Health Care. if you look at what he says, his goal is to make sure that everyone who wants quality health care afford it. now from my point of view, as long as he remains committed to that goal, and can build a mandate and the political will to achieve it, then he has done his job. the rest of the job is up to the legislative branch, and to us, to force the legislative branch to do its job.

i want a leader who can guide us back towards peace, and a leader that recognizes that this war is going nowhere fast.

obama july 4th 2008.

Let me be as clear as I can be,” I intend to end this war. My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war — responsibly, deliberately, but decisively.

And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades a month, and, again, that pace translates into having our combat troops out in 16 months’ time

now anyone can provide links or part quotes to burn me to pieces with my beliefs. at the end of the day, i believe in obama. kucinich said he sees 'change' with obama and nader says he there's a possibility of a fresh start.

i see it too.

Anon

MrBrian wrote:

I don't know. Just take a really good look at it all. Look at Obama, check his Israeli policy. Don't these things matter? He even voted to fund the Iraq war... does it not matter?

Sure he may say that it was to protect the troops, but i'll tell you what, without the money, how can you have the war? How could it continue?

just quickly on this, i agree that without the money you can't have the war.

i don't agree with everything obama has done, but i still believe he will bring the troops home home quicker than anyone else when he is elected.

Abookamongstthemany

Pj_Gurl wrote:

for what it's worth and that's probably not much, a couple of things inititally had me leaning towards obama. the kucinich endorsement was one. he saw hope in obama. and of the roughly 250 democrats who make a living from foreign policy, 90% supported him for president, primarily because they believed he had the best chance to restore America's positive standing in the world.

if it is only a small change initially, then i see it as better than what we have now. now of course i don't just want a small change. voting McCain leaves things exactly as they are now which is not acceptable to me.

it has been suggested here by others that Obama's ability to inspire should not be trusted, citing other charismatic leaders who have inspired their people to do great harm. i am not arguing that we should support Obama for his charisma and inspirational ability alone. i like that he doesn't attempt to manipulate through fear. I want a leader who appeals to our better nature. people criticize Obama for appealing to hope. I would much rather take a leader who appeals to unity and hope than one who appeals to distrust and fear.

the two issues most important to me are health care and war (or more appropriately, Peace)

i know obama has been criticized for not providing enough details, or for not speaking strongly enough for Universal Health Care. if you look at what he says, his goal is to make sure that everyone who wants quality health care afford it. now from my point of view, as long as he remains committed to that goal, and can build a mandate and the political will to achieve it, then he has done his job. the rest of the job is up to the legislative branch, and to us, to force the legislative branch to do its job.

i want a leader who can guide us back towards peace, and a leader that recognizes that this war is going nowhere fast.

obama july 4th 2008.

Let me be as clear as I can be,” I intend to end this war. My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war — responsibly, deliberately, but decisively.

And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades a month, and, again, that pace translates into having our combat troops out in 16 months’ time

now anyone can provide links or part quotes to burn me to pieces with my beliefs. at the end of the day, i believe in obama. kucinich said he sees 'change' with obama and nader says he there's a possibility of a fresh start.

i see it too.

Dennis Kucinich has never publicly endorsed Obama for President. He only made that statement during one primary to vote for him. He hasn't said one word since in support of Obama...that I'm aware of anyways. (if you have some kind of clip or anything with Kucinich encouraging people to vote Obama, please share it with the rest of us). From what I have read, Dennis Kucinich HAS NOT publicly endorsed anyone for president. So let's discontinue this falsehood, please.