New Message From Ron Paul

my2hands

El_Kabong wrote:

finally, someone who gets it!!! refreshing to see someone else not get so caught up in the pep rallies

not all obama supporters are supporters because of his "pep rallies"


like myself


it is becoming popular to attack him based on his popularity and his speaking ability... kind of like when everyone likes a band when they are new, once they become popular they are called sellouts and people say they no longer like them... just because they have become popular

hopefully he proves his supporters right in the long run...

my2hands

Pacomc79 wrote:

If you look at Nader... he's got a clear track record of doing what he believed would help the public.

then why hasnt he ran for an office he could win in the house, senate, or local?

i have always wondered that... if he cares so much and wants to help fic the political system in this country then why not run for an office he could win?

i think it is funny that people are going to vote for a guy that has ZERO political experience and zero offical record to look over...


the thing with nader is he can say anythign he wants, because he has no voting record or political record to compare his "stances" against... i support nader... but i think it is funny that the same folks on the left attacking obama are supporting nader based strictly on what he says he would do, then attack obama for pandering...

NMyTree

my2hands wrote:

....it is becoming popular to attack him based on his popularity and his speaking ability.....

Uh, no.

People are finally waking up to the fact (as I have been saying for over a year), that he's not really about true change. He's just another good 'ole boy who will be catering to corporate/special interests and continuing with the same agenda and inititive of Cheney/Bush jr./ Clinton/Bush Sr./Reagan...etc.

These elections and debates are being produced like a friggin American Idol show. It's dispicable.

And a large portions of Americans hand their brains over to be thoroughly scrubbed, washed and spit-shined.

my2hands

Pacomc79 wrote:

I sure would like to see a campaign that had Pauls economics and someone elses liberal social values.

his economics are in sharp contrast to any "liberal social values"

sink or swim is his ideal...

my2hands

NMyTree wrote:

Uh, no.

People are finally waking up to the fact (as I have been saying for over a year), that he's not really about true change. He's just another good 'ole boy who will be catering to corporate/special interests and continuing with the same agenda and inititive of Cheney/Bush jr./ Clinton/Bush Sr./Reagan...etc.

i think your wrong... i think people, especially my friends on the left, have been trained to think any candidiate that is "mainstream" or becomes "popular" is evil and cares nothing about them and caters to the elite business interests...

historically they may be correct, but the just might be wrong on this one...

i cant wait to watch the left tear down their own best candidiate, simply because he doesnt pass the "radical" litmus test...

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

is this election crap still going on?

DriftingByTheStorm

my2hands wrote:

his economics are in sharp contrast to any "liberal social values"

sink or swim is his ideal...

wow.
that is a pretty ignorant statment.
Ron Paul has REPEATEDLY stated that he would NOT cut off welfare programs.

He just thinks that they violate the market principles, which they DO, and that a better way to address the issue is stop the inequity of THE SYSTEM, by shutting off the massive free money to the banks, who then funnel it to their buddies on wallstreet, inturn taking the wealth via inflation from all your little poor welfare mothers and old folks ...

If you correct the massive wealth inequity and wealth redistribution mechanism of the fiat dollar, you RESTORE THE WEALTH TO THE PEOPLE, and then they don't fucking need welfare ... which is just another excuse for the statist (the government stooges) to steal YOUR money and give it back to wallstreet some more.

Why don't you understand that?

Yes, he wants to phase out welfare longterm, because it causes a massive distortion and corruption of the entire market. But it is only deemed necessary because of the massive distortion already inherent due to fiat currency.

Your statement just shows how your understanding of the relationship between economics and values is lacking.

By subscribing to welfare you are actualy quickening the destruction of ALL wealth held by "the people" because it is one of the primary mechanisms "the man" uses to extract wealth FROM the people in the form of taxes ... your good friends FICA and SS TAX ???
Yeah.

Even without the taxes, the very process of creating the money to provide for those checks is a huge mechanism for stealing your wealth.

:(

Pacomc79

my2hands wrote:

his economics are in sharp contrast to any "liberal social values"

sink or swim is his ideal...

That's not entirely true. We are never going to achieve purity in any system so there has to be some compromise to make it work properly. I'm talking mainly about the straw people and red herrings bantered about most often in the worthless political debates.

If the people are principaled the "conservatives" are focusing on what they should do best (efficiency, economy) and the "liberals" are focusing on what they do best (freedoms, liberties, assuring the pursuits of which are upheld)

It's not that anymore. It's your billionaires vs my billionaires... they don't pay taxes, they make campaign contributions.

The only major change when democrats or republicans are elected is who gets pardoned, whose wheels are greased and who gets prefferential treatment on government contracts.


The idea is getting the idealists toegther and working out thier issues talking over them like we are and trying to find solutions not creating career politicians and new problems to "solve" in order to get elected.

NMyTree

my2hands wrote:

i think your wrong... i think people, especially my friends on the left, have been trained to think any candidiate that is "mainstream" or becomes "popular" is evil and cares nothing about them and caters to the elite business interests...

historically they may be correct, but the just might be wrong on this one...

i cant wait to watch the left tear down their own best candidiate, simply because he doesnt pass the "radical" litmus test...

It's about what he's done.....how he's voted...what he's voted for and against. That's my approach and perspective on all of these politicians.

His words mean nothing. His promises mean nothing. His actions speak loud and clear. His race/color of skin means nothing, to me.

Maybe it means something to you.

DriftingByTheStorm

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT RON PAUL.
FUCK OBAMA

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IN MY INBOX THIS AFTERNOON:

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I had a Gentleman call me when I got Home from the Kent Meeting last night from New York. _

He happens to be publishing a book with photos of all of the 2004 Election Fraud Evidence, that was supposed to be published by a company in Kent State? He literally has the photographs of burned and otherwise mutilated, destroyed ballots. He is very familiar with how to follow the fraud, due to his research in the book. I would call him an investigative Journalist, in Election Fraud. I don't know him from Adam. _He called me last night, from New York, upset about huge numbers of precincts in Texas, where there were thousands of registered voters, and ZERO votes at all, with 100 of the Precincts reporting in_. He repeated so I understood. He is saying there are precincts with over 2000 registered voters, and the official count is saying NO one voted at all in that precinct after the precinct has reported in officially!! He said he has been studying elections now, for years. He has NEVER seen anything like this. He said the number of zero precincts, are especially High in the Panhandle of Texas. He also mentioned what Ron here is saying in this post. Ron Paul got more votes in his precinct for Congressman, than he did for president in the same precinct. He said, by huge amounts. Even More important, and possibly something we can all do to help... with this Ron Paul Fraud.

This investigative Journalist is just about to publish the research on the fraud, and now, the company that was going to print with his book, has suddenly pulled out, and refusing to publish. He was supposed to be doing a book signing at Kent on the anniversary of the shootings, that happens annually there... I guess. He now has to self publish, which, given the situation, and the fact that he is the only one with his "manual", puts him in a great deal of danger. Maybe I am a little paranoid for him, because of my past experience with revolution researchers and publishers that have suddenly gone missing, or suddenly commit suicide, over the past ten years. But while we were on the phone, we were getting echoes, then, three or four voice cut outs for ten, then 20 then 30 seconds. Finally, we were disconnected, and could not get reconnected. I did ask him to write to me so I could foreword the Texas research he did to all, and let you hear about the Ron Paul Information, since I know all of you would care a lot. I explained to him how to get a hold of the Ron Paul Texas Meetups, so they could investigate, and move on the situation, if they chose. I am hoping for an email from him this morning. I will be trying to call him back all day today. So please to the degree you can, keep an eye on this thread. If I get him on the phone, I will let you know. He needs some help getting his information out, and wants to investigate the Ron Paul campaign and election fraud, on a larger scale. Will follow up.... and if he does send an email, I will be sure to post it to you all Linda


Ron wrote: They want us to believe that McCain won Texas in a landslide. A place where I have never heard anyone mention his name, never seen so much as a bumper sticker, and clearly a state that is covered by Ron Paul signs. Just for the sake of discussion let's say it's possible. What I find seriously hard to believe is this:

* Ron Paul got 70% of the vote in his district for Congress

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37,220 votes.

* In that same district they want us to believe he only got 6,697 votes for president.

* That equates to approximately ONLY 1 in 5 people that voted for him for Congress supported him for President. They can't be serious. Don't lie to me!!


Please don't take my word for it. Look at the numbers yourself. Congressional District 14 Results - http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_135_race4.htm

Presidential Race District 14 Results - http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_135_race64.htm


Please pass it on. Our votes are not counted people. Restore the Republic! Ron Paul 2008, the Revolution has begun!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Yes....the revolution HAS begun.

It's just getting started, and it's growing.

Pacomc79

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yes....the revolution HAS begun.

It's just getting started, and it's growing.

and it will Most definately NOT be televised....

sorry, couldn't resist.

NMyTree

my2hands wrote:

i think your wrong... i think people, especially my friends on the left, have been trained to think any candidiate that is "mainstream" or becomes "popular" is evil and cares nothing about them and caters to the elite business interests...

historically they may be correct, but the just might be wrong on this one...

i cant wait to watch the left tear down their own best candidiate, simply because he doesnt pass the "radical" litmus test...

Oh and for the record (as if I haven't mentioned this enough times over the last five years); I am not from the Left.

I am not from the Right.

I am not from what ever other side you can conjur up.

I have NO political party loyalties, alliances or commitments. ZERO.....Zilch.....Nada......Kein.....Aucun......Nul

I'm about the issues, policies and subject matter.

NMyTree

Pacomc79 wrote:

and it will Most definately NOT be televised....

sorry, couldn't resist.

It will be televised.

But on a pay-per-view basis and in a psedo down converted High Definiton format, which won't truely be high definiton; but they'll charge extra for it, anyway.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

NMyTree wrote:

Oh and for the record (as if I haven't mentioned this enough times over the last five years); I am not from the Left.

I am not from the Right.

I am not from what ever other side you can conjur up.

I have NO political party loyalties, alliances or commitments. ZERO.....Zilch.....Nada......Kein.....Aucun......Nul

I'm about the issues, policies and subject matter.

Holy crap, I thought I was the only one...

Nevermind

my2hands wrote:

it is becoming popular to attack him based on his popularity and his speaking ability...

I can talk like MLK too. Does that mean im a good speaker?

MasterFramer

Nevermind wrote:

I can talk like MLK too. Does that mean im a good speaker?

"Im a good speaker" ? Heheh, you finish high school?

It is... "Does that mean I speak WELL?"

"good speaker" "I'm a" lol!

Obviously not...

Nevermind

MasterFramer wrote:

"Im a good speaker" ? Heheh, you finish high school?

It is... "Does that mean I speak WELL?"

"good speaker" "I'm a" lol!

Obviously not...

I put that sentence together like that on purpose smart ass. Couldnt you have kep this to one thread?

MasterFramer

Nevermind wrote:

I put that sentence together like that on purpose smart ass. Couldnt you have kep this to one thread?

Sure... whatever you say. :rolleyes:

Nevermind

Theres a difference between pulic speakers and speaking in general. I was talking about being a public speaker. So you have to turn it around and run with it. Is it really neccesary to post all those threads attacking Hillary Clinton? People get pissed if someone posts threads attacking Barack.