9/11 info and sources

JHudgens75

Your 9/11 conspiracies remind me of Holocaust denial. Or is that where you're going next?

Bwalker545

Back and to the left.... back and to the left.... back and to the left...

Nevermind

JHudgens75 wrote:

Your 9/11 conspiracies remind me of Holocaust denial. Or is that where you're going next?

Were not racist here. Youd be suprised if you did some research. Dont knock what what you dont know or understand. And who the fuck are you. 5 posts and youll probly never get over 25.

Purple Hawk

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

You may not like some of the sources...prisonplanet, etc...but there's way more than just them here. Take the time to check them out, it won't hurt ya.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth
http://www.st911.org/


All 115 comission report omissions and distortions with page footnotes
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/571-page-lie.htm


flight 93 news report that day
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc&search=united%2093


german doc on 93
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3505712702687232327


Rumsfeld saying 93 was shot down
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0


93 emergency landing at cleveland airport?
http://web.archive.org/web/20021109040132/http:/wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html


93 cell phone calls?
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/phonecalls.html

Bush saying he saw first plane hit tower that morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F6kouXg40Q


a fake osama tape?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html


Central colums ommitted from comission report?
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/


NORAD standing DOWN??
http://standdown.net/
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/


WTC7
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html

Hijackers still alive?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm


Catherder's ATS thread debunked
http://abovetopsecret.narod.ru/Above_Top_Secret_article.htm


debunking Popular Mechanics
http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.htm


Morgan Reynolds - Former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor (Bush II)
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/160605governmentcomplicit.htm


Paul Craig Roberts - Former Assistant of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration author of "Reaganonics"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/080206towerscollapse.htm


Dr. Robert M. Bowman (Lt. Col. Ret.) - Former Head of Advanced Space Programs for the Department of Defense Author of "Star Wars Defense" during Reagan Administration
http://www.rmbowman.com/ssn/Secrecy.htm
http://www.illinoistimes.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A4282


Ray McGovern - Former CIA Analyst during the Reagan and Bush I Administrations
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/191005McGovern.htm


Stanley Hilton - Bob Dole's Former Chief of Staff
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=101&contentid=1536


Karl Schwarz - Former Republican Strategist Insider
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/one-time_gop_insider.html


Donn de Grand-Pre - U.S. Army Col. (Ret.)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html


Andreas Von Buelow - Former German Defense Minister
http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html

Physics Professor Steven Jones - Brigham Young University
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0, 1249, 635160132, 00.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/121105twintowers.htm


Theology Professor David Ray Griffin - Clarmont Theology University
http://www.WantToKnow.info/050828latimes911conspiracy


William Rodriguez - Hero & Maintenance Worker at the Twin Towers
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/20-Jun-2005.html


Anatoli Kornukov - Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force
http://www.tenc.net/news/airf.htm


Michael Meacher - Former UK Minister of Environment
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0, 3604, 1036571, 00.html


David Shayler - Former MI5 British Secret Agent
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm

Russ Wittenberg -Former Air Force and Commercial Airline Pilot
http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=106623




Louis Freeh - Former FBI Director (under Bush II)
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007559




U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)
http://www.ajc.com/hp/content/auto/epaper/editions/saturday/news_241efd8d9666d13800b4.html




U.S. Senator Mark Dayton (D-Minn.)
http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=369


U.S. Congressman Ron Paul, (R-TX) (MD)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul200.html


U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/03/335527.shtml


U.S. Congressman Curt Weldon (R-PA)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050917&articleId=965


Command Sergeant Major Eric Haney - Founder of the Military's Elite Covert Counter-Terrorist Unit, Delta force
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/delta_force_founder_no_real_threat_to_us.htm


Stan Goff - U.S. Special Forces Master Sergeant (Ret.)
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/wtc_media.htm


Catherine Austin Fitts - Former Ass. Secretary of Housing (Bush II)
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041101130426916


Sibel Edmonds - Former FBI Translator "Whistleblower"
http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds.htm


Coleen Rowley - Former Special FBI Agent
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html


Robert Wright - Former Special FBI Agent
http://www.prisonplanet.com/another_fbi_agent_blows_the_whistle.htm


Paul O'Neill - Former Treasury Secretary (Bush II)
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/01/more-on-paul-oneill.html


Joseph Wilson - Former U.S. Diplomat
http://www.legitgov.org/clg_interview_joseph_wilson_060705.html


Karen Kwiatkowski - Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Pentagon
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=karen_kwiatkowski


Respected Leaders and Families 9/11 Truth Statements
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633


Unanswered Questions from 9/11 Victim's Families
http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html


Experts Call for Release of 9/11 Evidence
http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060301/bs_prweb/prweb352979_1


Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax
http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060130/bs_prweb/prweb339303


Official 9/11 Story Disputed by Experts and Witnesses
http://www.lasvegastribune.com/20050729/headline3.html


National Security Experts Speak Out: 9/11 Commission Falls Short
http://www.BreakForNews.com/Vets-on-911-Commission.htm


"The real problem with the official line on 9/11 is that it relies on wrong-headed science that starts with "a conclusion" and seeks out evidence that supports that theory to the exclusion of all other evidence." ~ Prof. Steven E. Jones


9/11: The Myth and the Reality
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060405112622982


operation northwoods
http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

THANK YOU for this information. I've processed it and let me tell you, it has REALLY opened up my eyes.

I have to say, thank *insert your prefered diety here* for Eddie Vedder and you link posters on their web site. Without your help and holding hand, I'd be a loser cruising around in a micro-bus around the country. Thanks to information like this, I've upgraded to a nice and spacious room in an upscale co-op. Best part is, it's not hard to skirt your 8 hour work/week duty b/c enforcement's not a big concern

But yeah, I'm always up for questioning our government and the devious activity they're up to? I was wondering if you had anything about the rape and/or oil for food scandals of the UN? Surely you are interested in spreading information, and have an abudence of links? And let me tell you, I CAN'T GET ENOUGH LINKS!!!!

Ahnimus

A recent study showed that 90% of FOX viewers actually believe that WMDs were found in Iraq. They also believe that Saddam was connected to 9/11.

Some weapons were discovered in Iraq, they were given to Saddam in 1991 and were chemical weapons. Weapons experts have said the weapons have a shelf life of a few months and would no longer be usable.

The U.N. weapons inspectors confirmed that all usable chemical weapons or WMDs otherwise were dismantled, before the invasion. Bush didn't listen. Iraq wasn't about weapons, or oil specifically. Iraq is a strategic point in future middle-east wars. As 69charger said to install a pro-american government. One that will roll-over whenever the US wants it to. I don't think there is any international obligation to be pro-american, as far as I'm concerned US citizens aren't obligated to be pro-bush or anti-iraq simply because Bush said there was a problem, contrary to the rest of the world.

There is a video on google about Al-Jazeera created by the BBC. You can see on the video how Iraqi people didn't hate Saddam. "He did some really bad things, but it's different now." said one rep. Now, it's a lot different, there is violence all over the place. "Why does al-Jazeera show pictures of dead Iraqis and no pictures of Iraqi soldiers abducting civilians?" asked a US Military personnel "Those pictures don't exist [because it didn't happen]" replied al-Jazeera.

Purple Hawk

Ahnimus wrote:

A recent study showed that 90% of FOX viewers actually believe that WMDs were found in Iraq.

So bascially, you are saying that 90% of FOX viewers were correct.

Your qualifications are taken into account (so no need to bore anyone with them again), but they ARE correct.

So to sum up your post, 90% of FOX viewers know the facts about WMD's in Iraq.

Ahnimus

Purple Hawk wrote:

So bascially, you are saying that 90% of FOX viewers were correct.

Your qualifications are taken into account (so no need to bore anyone with them again), but they ARE correct.

So to sum up your post, 90% of FOX viewers know the facts about WMD's in Iraq.

That's not what I said. A 15 year old dud weapon is hardly going to cause MASS DESTRUCTION. What I'm saying is they heard what they wanted to and FOX spun the story in that direction.

farfromglorified

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

You may not like some of the sources...prisonplanet, etc...but there's way more than just them here. Take the time to check them out, it won't hurt ya.

These sites hurt only those who refuse to research them.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth
http://www.st911.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholars_for_9_11_Truth

"Detractors point to the following 'breakdown' of the scientific disciplines the various members have:

Philosophy, 9 members.
7 with no academic discipline
English/literature 5 members.
Psychology 5 members.
Physics 5 members.
Theology 4 members.
Humanities 3 members.
Engineers 2 members.

They also point to the fact there are 0 Structural Engineers, and 0 Middle Eastern or Arabic language experts, and the few Engineers have little relevant work with the appropriate discipline, for example Judy Wood, who has focused her work on the stresses of dentistry. When combined, this member list is shown by detractors to be indicative of a group of people who are not "experts" as the site has claimed, on the matters and disciplines relevant to the September 11 attacks."

flight 93 news report that day
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc&search=united%2093

No debris = no plane crash??? Is that what this is supposed to prove? Then this one must have been faked as well:

American Eagle Flight 4184
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Eagle_4184_crashsite.jpg

93 emergency landing at cleveland airport?
http://web.archive.org/web/20021109040132/http:/wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html

Ok. Is this strange? Federal officials searched the plane and found no bomb.

Hijackers still alive?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

I can't believe you guys still post this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waleed_al-Shehri

"Muhammad Ali Al-Shihri, the hijacker al-Shehri brothers' true father, was identified prior to September 17, 2001, and told Arab News that he hadn't heard from his sons in ten months prior to September 2001.[1] An ABC News story in March 2002 repeated this, and during a report entitled "A Saudi Apology" for Dateline NBC on Aug 25 2002, NBC's reporter John Hockenberry traveled to 'Asir, where he interviewed the third brother, Salah, who agreed that his two brothers were dead and claimed they had been "brainwashed".

Furthermore another article explains that the pilot who lives in Casablanca was named Walid al-Shri (not Waleed M. al-Shehri) and that much of the BBC information regarding "alive" hijackers was incorrect according to the same sources used by BBC"

debunking Popular Mechanics
http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.htm

I wish you'd at least post the article they were debunking.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)
http://www.ajc.com/hp/content/auto/epaper/editions/saturday/news_241efd8d9666d13800b4.html

This one....seriously???


I'll just leave the rest alone.


I notice you also didn't even post the Comission report, though you post lots of sites that "debunk" it. How can your readers hope to understand a debunking of something they've never read? Anyway, that's available here:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/


By all means everyone should read the links you provided. They paint a very complete picture of your theories.

farfromglorified

Ahnimus wrote:

A recent study showed that 90% of FOX viewers actually believe that WMDs were found in Iraq. They also believe that Saddam was connected to 9/11.

That's probably true. Wouldn't you also agree that it's quite likely that 90% of prisonplanet readers probably think the 9/11 hijackers are still alive and that the government is behind the attacks?

Ahnimus

farfromglorified wrote:

That's probably true. Wouldn't you also agree that it's quite likely that 90% of prisonplanet readers probably think the 9/11 hijackers are still alive and that the government is behind the attacks?

I believed that before I ever found prisonplanet.tv

I like Alex Jones, but personally I don't agree with him on every case. Yes, I believe there was complacency in the attacks, possibly even assisted by preplanted explosives as Steven Jones of BYU has apparently proven. However, I have different views about the New World Order and what that means. I don't automatically assume all terrorist or violent organizations are part of the NWO, I think the Hezbollah and the Hamas act on what they believe is in the best interest of the Arab people. Alex believes they work for Bush and I just disagree. I agree that the UN is a false security, that it should be replaced, but not by the neo-con's terms, and I don't agree with Alex that we should not have a world government. We should, but we shouldn't have veto rights and we should all maintain independant governments.

Purple Hawk

Ahnimus wrote:

"we" should not have a world government. We should, but we shouldn't have veto rights and we should all maintain independant governments.

I disagree with you on a lot, but I admire your directness and ability to express your opinion (unlike the "I posted links to numerous fringe web sites and it's YOUR job to refute every one of them" contingent) so THAT can be debated. It's actually refreshing.

Abookamongstthemany

Purple Hawk wrote:

I disagree with you on a lot, but I admire your directness and ability to express your opinion (unlike the "I posted links to numerous fringe web sites and it's YOUR job to refute every one of them" contingent) so THAT can be debated. It's actually refreshing.

http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=3509058&postcount=4
I gave my opinion and openly debate here all the time, so drop your pathetic attempt to 'call someone out' without directly doing it. We debated the other night (or at least tried to around all the name calling and insults you needed to throw around) and you asked for links and sources, I give you sources and you still complain....what a fucking surprise.:rolleyes: If you want to debate aspects of these links then feel free to do so...but don't try to act as if I don't hold my own here.

farfromglorified

Ahnimus wrote:

I believed that before I ever found prisonplanet.tv

Cool.

I like Alex Jones, but personally I don't agree with him on every case. Yes, I believe there was complacency in the attacks, possibly even assisted by preplanted explosives as Steven Jones of BYU has apparently proven.

Apparently proven? He has not apparently proven anything. He has offered a hypothesis -- a hypothesis that is not even accepted by his own colleagues at his own university, particularly those from the college of structural engineering. The Professor Emeritus of BYU's Civil Engineering school said the following:

"I find Professor Jones' thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable. Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing."

Furthermore, Jones has also offered a theory (with selected evidence to prove it) that Jesus Christ visited Native Americans following his resurrection. You may read that here:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext%20and%20figures.htm

I believe Ralph Nadar, someone who I don't often agree with, said it best in a program I recently saw on television. When asked by a student if he thought the government should admit that 9/11 was an 'inside job', Nader responded by saying (and I paraphrase):

"No, because there is a difference between plausibility and fact."

However, I have different views about the New World Order and what that means. I don't automatically assume all terrorist or violent organizations are part of the NWO, I think the Hezbollah and the Hamas act on what they believe is in the best interest of the Arab people. Alex believes they work for Bush and I just disagree. I agree that the UN is a false security, that it should be replaced, but not by the neo-con's terms, and I don't agree with Alex that we should not have a world government. We should, but we shouldn't have veto rights and we should all maintain independant governments.

You may believe what you wish. I agree that the UN should be replaced, but not on the neo-cons' terms. It should be replaced with a large conference room and a handful of telephones. I agree that Hezbollah and Hamas act on what they believe is in the best interest of the Arab people....the Arab people who agree with them, that is. I agree that we should not have a world government.

JHudgens75

Nevermind wrote:

Were not racist here

How is what I said related to racism?

Nevermind wrote:

Youd be suprised if you did some research. Dont knock what what you dont know or understand.

I actually have done some research. That's why I can say I don't agree with it.

Nevermind wrote:

And who the fuck are you. 5 posts and youll probly never get over 25.

I know who I am. I have a right to post here as much as anyone else and not get flamed for it. Or did I miss something and you're actually the owner of this forum, entrusted with ensuring only certain people with 5 million posts to their names get to post here? Is there some initiation rite that I'm missing? Yeah, 5 posts. So what? You were never at 5 posts in your exciting career?

Way to go. You countered my opinion by attacking my character and resorting to expletives. Very intelligent.

Purple Hawk

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

you asked for links and sources, I give you sources and you still complain....

Trust me, I NEVER ask for links, I've asked for opinions.


and as far as "insults" go, there's a fine line between name-calling and a sarcastic jab...

All I'm asking for is your world view. The poster I was responding to willingly did so, which I respect. I just find it odd that it's like pulling teeth to get so many others to do so.

Bwalker545

And dont forget this
http://www.nysun.com/article/26514
I bet he is in on it with the Bush administration too eh?
Oh and did i mention.... THE CIA KILLED KENNEDY WITH THE HELP OF CASTRO AND THE USSR!

Abookamongstthemany

Purple Hawk wrote:

Trust me, I NEVER ask for links, I've asked for opinions.


and as far as "insults" go, there's a fine line between name-calling and a sarcastic jab...

All I'm asking for is your world view. The poster I was responding to willingly did so, which I respect. I just find it odd that it's like pulling teeth to get so many others to do so.

You asked for sources.

You did a fine job of insulting and calling names. If it were pure wit then I would have no problem.

I make my view very clear, no pulling teeth needed.

Purple Hawk

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

You asked for sources.

You did a fine job of insulting and calling names. If it were pure wit then I would have no problem.

I make my view very clear, no pulling teeth needed.

You make the views of those who are able to be published on fringe web sites clear, still not sure of yours. Not an insult, just seems to be the case.

Abookamongstthemany

Purple Hawk wrote:

You make the views of those who are able to be published on fringe web sites clear, still not sure of yours. Not an insult, just seems to be the case.

I post my opinion almost everyday here. I also read and share info. If you're not sure of my views you haven't been reading.

Bwalker545

Im gonna have to agree...if all you do is post links that means all your doing is subsituting "reality" for another persons "reality" try thinking for yourself... I bet we can find contridictions between those sights...which one is your exact belief? Do you see what people are getting at? I can go create my own website too and call it "the truth"