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Kucinich and Paul in comparison

AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
One of my friends on myspace posted thisand I thought I'd share


Dennis Kucinich
http://www.ontheissues.org/OH/Dennis_Kucinich.htm


Ron Paul
http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

edit: I did not double check the ontheissues link for Ron Paul before posting...so I'll just leave the links up alone
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    I learned a lot from it.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    no contest if you pay attention.

    there really only is one candidate if you pay attention and actually want a progressive change in this country. and it is obvious who it is.

    i do not understand why EVERYONE isnt backing kucinich.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Is this all for real?

    fuck.

    Come back, FFG.
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    was that I learned a lot about two candidates who stood out to me during the so-called debates, so far. Abook in one post showed me the difference between the two.

    Therefore, I found it to be a great post.

    Doesn't mean I'll support either Kucinich or Paul, but it was still a great post.

    Anything that educates future voters, is great, no?
    Feels Good Inc.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Bu2 wrote:
    was that I learned a lot about two candidates who stood out to me during the so-called debates, so far. Abook in one post showed me the difference between the two.

    Therefore, I found it to be a great post.

    Doesn't mean I'll support either Kucinich or Paul, but it was still a great post.

    Anything that educates future voters, is great, no?

    Yes.

    Paul's votes, on the whole, aren't that particularly bad, but Kucinich is a modern marvel.
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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    what is the name recognition of these two candidates combined...5%?

    my fringe candidate is duncan hunter, but even i'm not naive enough to think he's gonna win.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    what is the name recognition of these two candidates combined...5%?

    my fringe candidate is duncan hunter, but even i'm not naive enough to think he's gonna win.
    Would you vote for a fringe candidate?
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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    gue_barium wrote:
    Would you vote for a fringe candidate?

    i voted for harry browne in 2000...if that's not fringe...i don't know what is...

    i'm guessing you are looking at the dems and not seeing any true believers... likewise, i don't see any conservatives with the GOP field, except for hunter, maybe huckabee...i guess we can all agree that the fruntrunners, guiliani, clinton, obama, romney,....they are interested in power, at the expense of us. they are all phoney...the ruling class is kind of a joke, and we've reached the point where we all know it....
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    i voted for harry browne in 2000...if that's not fringe...i don't know what is...

    i'm guessing you are looking at the dems and not seeing any true believers... likewise, i don't see any conservatives with the GOP field, except for hunter, maybe huckabee...i guess we can all agree that the fruntrunners, guiliani, clinton, obama, romney,....they are interested in power, at the expense of us. they are all phoney...the ruling class is kind of a joke, and we've reached the point where we all know it....
    So, a fringe candidate, in this upcoming election, in your opinion, may have a shot...

    I agree.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    i'm guessing you are looking at the dems and not seeing any true believers... likewise, i don't see any conservatives with the GOP field, except for hunter, maybe huckabee...i guess we can all agree that the fruntrunners, guiliani, clinton, obama, romney,....they are interested in power, at the expense of us. they are all phoney...the ruling class is kind of a joke, and we've reached the point where we all know it....
    Pretty much. :)
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Bu2 wrote:
    was that I learned a lot about two candidates who stood out to me during the so-called debates, so far. Abook in one post showed me the difference between the two.

    Therefore, I found it to be a great post.

    Doesn't mean I'll support either Kucinich or Paul, but it was still a great post.

    Anything that educates future voters, is great, no?


    i agree, i would like to see where other candidates stand in this manner...

    the links given could be used to do them, easily, i would think...

    just a way to see their resume and see if it matches up w/ their media tours
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I don't have a lot of time right now to explain but there is a lot of misinformation in your post abook. Later today I will elaborate.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    One of my friends on myspace posted thisand I thought I'd share
    Dennis Kucinich

    Only one candidate for President voted against the misnamed "Patriot Act."

    Ron Paul voted "no" as well
    http://vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296&type=category&category=61&go.x=13&go.y=7
    and has repeatedly voted no on making it permanent. Just want to clarify
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ron Paul has voted NO against the Patriot Act.
    Ron Paul has voted NO for authorizing the War in Iraq
    Ron Paul voted NO to authorize additional spending for the war.
    Ron Paul voted YES on the non binding resolution disavowing the War in Iraq
    Ron Paul voted NO to authorize drilling in ANWAR
    Ron Paul has voted against NAFTA.
    Ron Paul does only want to do away with Bush tax cuts, he wants to completely scrap the IRS and our current tax system.
    Ron Paul voted NO on the expansion of the AMBER alert system hich included the creation of a federal agency to handle it. Ron Paul is not against the AMBER alert system but is smart enough to see that there is no need for more levels of government bueracracy to implement it.
    Ron Paul is in favor of repealing Roe v. Wade because he feels that abortion, as well as same sex marriage, is an issue that should be handled on a state by state basis.

    Many of the items listed there that state that Kucinich is the only candidate to support are an out right lie and if Kucinich in any way approved of this message than he is no better than the other politicians who would spread lies and half truths.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    mammasan wrote:
    Many of the items listed there that state that Kucinich is the only candidate to support are an out right lie and if Kucinich in any way approved of this message than he is no better than the other politicians who would spread lies and half truths.

    I have no idea regarding the accuracy mentioned. Abook did say, though, that one of her friends posted this on myspace, which means there is strong probability that Kucinich had nothing to do with misinformation, if it in fact exists. People on myspace send out all kinds of "information".
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    I wonder if anyone else can attest to the mentioned "inaccuracies", and if anyone is willing to find where these so-called inaccuracies stem from given the links in the original article. Anyone....mammasan?
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    angelica wrote:
    I wonder if anyone else can attest to the mentioned "inaccuracies", and if anyone is willing to find where these so-called inaccuracies stem from given the links in the original article. Anyone....mammasan?

    If you go to Project Vote Smart you can look up each individuals voting record.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    mammasan wrote:
    If you go to Project Vote Smart you can look up each individuals voting record.

    add to that ontheissues.org it's got some good information as well.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    mammasan wrote:
    If you go to Project Vote Smart you can look up each individuals voting record.
    What it's looking like to me is that if there has been any slanting of information--and I don't know this yet--it's been by the people from myspace who have compiled the information culled from the linked resources into this article, for their purposes.

    It looks completely unconnected to the candidates themselves.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    angelica wrote:
    What it's looking like to me is that if there has been any slanting of information--and I don't know this yet--it's been by the people from myspace who have compiled the information culled from the linked resources into this article, for their purposes.

    It looks completely unconnected to the candidates themselves.

    these kinds of posts are misleading anyways ... unless a candidate were to give a synopsis on why they voted each time - you can't tell their motivation ...

    many times they will slide provisions and riders on bills ... so, although the main crux of the bill is to provide cheap drugs to africa, it will also contain a provision to drill for oil in alaska or something ...
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    chopitdown wrote:
    add to that ontheissues.org it's got some good information as well.
    This is what I'm wondering about, because some of the links posted in the original article are from ontheissues.org and if the sources are reputable, and there is in fact fallacy, then it looks like it's the authors of the complilation, themselves, who have slanted the information erroneously, whether accidentally and deliberately.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    angelica wrote:
    What it's looking like to me is that if there has been any slanting of information--and I don't know this yet--it's been by the people from myspace who have compiled the information culled from the linked resources into this article, for their purposes.

    It looks completely unconnected to the candidates themselves.

    Well that is why I said if Kucinich has approved this message. I have always respected Dennis Kucinich and do doubt that this was endorsed by him or his campaign. Who ever did create this message should have spent 20 minutes checking the facts and they would realize that there is a good amount of misinformation there.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    polaris wrote:
    these kinds of posts are misleading anyways ... unless a candidate were to give a synopsis on why they voted each time - you can't tell their motivation ...

    many times they will slide provisions and riders on bills ... so, although the main crux of the bill is to provide cheap drugs to africa, it will also contain a provision to drill for oil in alaska or something ...

    Exactly. Just posting that Ron Paul voted against the expansion of the AMBER alert program without providing the why is omitting important information.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    mammasan wrote:
    Well that is why I said if Kucinich has approved this message. I have always respected Dennis Kucinich and do doubt that this was endorsed by him or his campaign. Who ever did create this message should have spent 20 minutes checking the facts and they would realize that there is a good amount of misinformation there.
    I have heard Kucinich make certain claims, himself, regarding being the only candidate to do such and such, but that was in reference to other democrats. So what may be accurate in one context may be accidentally or deliberately false in another.

    When average people post things on the internet, there is a far lower standard of fact checking than in "real" publishing, for good reason. However, it pays to be watchful and careful.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    mammasan wrote:
    Exactly. Just posting that Ron Paul voted against the expansion of the AMBER alert program without providing the why is omitting important information.
    Yes, and people are often so focussed on padding their agenda when they use facts to back up writing an article for their own purposes, that misinformation is common, even when the details are accurate.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    polaris wrote:

    many times they will slide provisions and riders on bills ... so, although the main crux of the bill is to provide cheap drugs to africa, it will also contain a provision to drill for oil in alaska or something ...
    Interesting. Thanks polaris.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    angelica wrote:
    This is what I'm wondering about, because some of the links posted in the original article are from ontheissues.org and if the sources are reputable, and there is in fact fallacy, then it looks like it's the authors of the complilation, themselves, who have slanted the information erroneously, whether accidentally and deliberately.

    the majority of the discrepencies came from the uncited Kucinich claims. The link for project vote smart seems to be the best b/c it has a checklist of what the views are and is very good, and more thorough.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Umm...this list isn't even close to correct, right from the start. Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act:

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml

    He also voted repeatedly against the Iraq War.

    If people here hate war but love socialism, Ron Paul is certainly not the candidate for them, however. Kucinich would be much more appropriate.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    chopitdown wrote:
    the majority of the discrepencies came from the uncited Kucinich claims. The link for project vote smart seems to be the best b/c it has a checklist of what the views are and is very good, and more thorough.
    Thanks.

    Like I said, I have heard Kucinich make some such claims in public debates/interviews, but not in the context of comparing himself to Ron Paul--so while Kucinch was being honest in the contexts I am familiar with, it seems as though such information was erroneously construed to say something else here.

    edit: the debates/interviews I refer to with the Kucinich claims are all contained in the Kucinich thread, in case anyone wants to see first-hand, for the sake of judging his authenticity for themselves.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Hehe...I just finished this and had a good laugh:

    "Only one candidate has been endorsed by Willie Nelson"

    Ron Paul could have helped Willie out with his tax problems...

    ...but nevermind.
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