Ok stop disputing (man's effect on) climate change

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  • Obi Once
    Obi Once Posts: 918
    bubbamackdaddy69 wrote:
    It's all Media propaganda anyhow..
    Scientist who support the Global warming theory are getting funded to say so..
    Scientist who are so called retired say the opposite

    If anyone is still interested in finding out what is actually going on, "global warming" is the rallying cry of lunatic fringe environmentalists and posturing politicians, who maintain that it's all our fault, and who want people to think they are doing something useful, while ignoring actual environmental problems which are well-known, and which could be tackled given the political will, with a dash of common sense
    Your ideas are right up there with "cows cause the green house effect". Maybe you should try to get ur head out ur arse and educate urself, I'm tired of trying to.
    your light's reflected now
  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    bubbamackdaddy69 wrote:
    It's all Media propaganda anyhow..
    Scientist who support the Global warming theory are getting funded to say so..
    Scientist who are so called retired say the opposite

    If anyone is still interested in finding out what is actually going on, "global warming" is the rallying cry of lunatic fringe environmentalists and posturing politicians, who maintain that it's all our fault, and who want people to think they are doing something useful, while ignoring actual environmental problems which are well-known, and which could be tackled given the political will, with a dash of common sense

    These are not lunatic fringe environmentalists or posturing politicians. Here is a joint statement from the major science acadamies from Brazil, China, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Russia, United Kingdom and the United States.

    http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf
  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    Oh, and also those lunatic fringe environmentalists that ran rampant at the pentagon...

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4864237-102275,00.html

    The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

    Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

    An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions.

    Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of climate change.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Scubascott wrote:
    What it a scientist studied a record of your life in written form, that accurately preserved critical details, and then made claims and predictions?

    The evidence for climate change is not based just on the observations made during the timeframe of moden science. The most compelling data comes from antarctic ice cores and geological records that span hundreds of thousands of years.

    Why would the scientific community make this story up? Do you imagine that there is no system in place to prevent crazy theories based on flimsy evidence from getting into the mainstream? Scientific research is subject to a process of peer review.

    As usual, you have obviously made no effort to educate yourself on the actual SCIENCE of this issue.

    i'd also like to add that new discoveries have been made since the initial report went into review. in greenland; meltwater is trailing down the cracks to the base and lubricating the ice; making it move faster than previously predicted. in antartica; meltwater is filling the cracks; freezing and expanding to break off large pieces of ice. according to nasa; 1250 square miles of ice broke off and disappeared in 2005. in 1997 the earths ice cover was about the size of the us. in 2003 we'd lost the equivelant of all the states east of the mississippi.
    the earths ice cover is the earths fail safe system. it reflects heat back into space. this is the importance of our ice; not just rising sea levels.
  • bubbamackdaddy69
    bubbamackdaddy69 Posts: 576
    Obi Once wrote:
    Your ideas are right up there with "cows cause the green house effect". Maybe you should try to get ur head out ur arse and educate urself, I'm tired of trying to.

    trust me I'm educated but I just don't buy into all that crap..
    Like I've said before..obviously we should all be trying to be cleaner and such to our environment ..just common sense..But that Global warning scare crap is just bullshit..
    The Earth is billions of years old and goes through "changes" like this all the time but nobody ever talks about Global Cooling back in the 70's..The Little ice age, the Medieval warm period. Plus the IPCC draws as they saw firm conclusions on what many many scientist say is not valid.
    Not exactly sure on the exact temp numbers but why is the average earth temperature now is 72F but a while back was 78F...
    There are 2 sides to every coin..just because of Media propaganda doesn't automatically make it valid.
    Yeah "scientists" say..oh my god global warming...but as well that people don't know that "scientists" as well are saying the opposite but nobody wants to hear what they others have to say..Plus in short...lol...The ones that believe in Global warming are forecasting the future temps and such..fuck that..I don't believe my local weather channel to tell me what the weather is gonna be in 2 days..let alone 10 years
    Master of Zen
  • bubbamackdaddy69
    bubbamackdaddy69 Posts: 576
    Obi Once wrote:
    And that is exactly what I'm trying to achieve, hopefully by informing these people with some SCIENTIFICAL FACTS instead of the politically shaped nonsense they've heard and read they might actually learn something. I'm not interested in doom scenarios, but in solutions. And even if I am completely wrong tempering the rise in temperature will only do good.

    WHAT??.. you may have that a little reversed...LOL..

    Yourself and Polaris would love this article..

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1034077.cms
    Master of Zen

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