Pentagon

Vedderlution_Baby

I can't find any point and counter point sites to prove and disprove that the pentagon was or was not hit by a 757. Can any of you send links or perhaps actually do a little point and counter point? Did a 757 actually hit the pentagon?

Pickr

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

I can't find any point and counter point sites to prove and disprove that the pentagon was or was not hit by a 757. Can any of you send links or perhaps actually do a little point and counter point? Did a 757 actually hit the pentagon?

Sure doesn't look like it from the footage they released.

sonicreducer

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/technical.html

that is a big som-bitch that made a small ass hole.

farfromglorified

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Pentagon

ledvedderman

Ask Donald Rumsfeld, he doesn't seem to know what hit it either. It's somewhere on this Moving Train, probably a couple threads down. He says missle

onelongsong

yes; a missle. aliens took the plane into space then placed the remains (and DNA) of the passengers in the pentagon. the eye witnesses saw a hologram of the plane.
yes; that's the perfect explaination. you people are really something.

OneLove

Well, my sister watched a plane fly into the pentagon. Is that enough evidence for you?

ledvedderman

So your sister grabbed the wings and engines and took off with them? She should probably give those back.

OneLove

ledvedderman wrote:

So your sister grabbed the wings and engines and took off with them? She should probably give those back.

Um, OK. I live just a few miles from the pentagon, let it rest folks. Conspiracy theorists need not apply.

Clearly people are not taking into account the hundreds of eyewitnesses. The plane flew directly over a major highway that is extremely busy at that time of day in DC. My sister being one of those eyewitnesses.

A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON. Accept it, and move on.

dunkman

Among the 54 non-hijacking passengers were:

Barbara Olson, American television commentator for CNN (b. 1955)
Three 11-year-old schoolchildren (Bernard Brown, Asia Cottom, and Rodney Dickens) embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Their chaperones and NGS staff members Sarah Clark, 65, James Debeuneure, 58, Ann Judge, 45, Hilda Taylor and Joe Ferguson.
more children, sisters aged 8 and 3.
Bryan C. Jack, budget analyst/director of the programming and fiscal economics division, Defense Department. He worked at the Pentagon at the time of the attacks.
Mari-Rae Sopper, 35, was the women's gymnastics coach at UC Santa Barbara. Sopper was hired as coach less than two weeks before. She graduated from Iowa State in 1988 and received a master's in athletic administration from North Texas in 1993. Three years later, she graduated from the University of Denver College of Law. "She was an incredible person who had done so much in her life," said Lesley Ross, a sophomore gymnast at UCSB. "She had an awesome attitude and was so in love with the sport. She was getting us all pumped up to come back."




the US government wouldnt sanction the deaths of these people, especially the children, for some alterior motive...

can we stop with the boring fucking conpiracy theories... 4 planes were hijacked that day.. all 4 crashed with all passengers on board being murdered... if it was a missile that hit the Pentagon where are the above people :rolleyes:

onelongsong

ledvedderman wrote:

So your sister grabbed the wings and engines and took off with them? She should probably give those back.

what are you talking about? if you drive a car into an over-engineered building at 500 mph there won't be a thing left of the car.

Pickr

dunkman1974 wrote:

the US government wouldnt sanction the deaths of these people, especially the children, for some alterior motive...

Yea, they have never done that before.

dunkman

Pickr wrote:

Yea, they have never done that before.

sarcasm doesnt read to well over the internet.. well not unless you do it right... which you havent

give me solid evidence of when the US government has knowingly allowed/sanctioned children to die in order to perpuate a myth concerning terrorism


please... i'll never sleep tonight unless i read it all :rolleyes:

Pickr

dunkman1974 wrote:

sarcasm doesnt read to well over the internet.. well not unless you do it right... which you havent

give me solid evidence of when the US government has knowingly allowed/sanctioned children to die in order to perpuate a myth concerning terrorism


please... i'll never sleep tonight unless i read it all :rolleyes:

Have you not been following the Iraq war?

dunkman

Pickr wrote:

Have you not been following the Iraq war?

why... do you need some help answering some queries?

onelongsong

dunkman1974 wrote:

sarcasm doesnt read to well over the internet.. well not unless you do it right... which you havent

give me solid evidence of when the US government has knowingly allowed/sanctioned children to die in order to perpuate a myth concerning terrorism


please... i'll never sleep tonight unless i read it all :rolleyes:

nothing reads well over the internet. i can build a website that says almost anything. what you read is only as reliable as the author. you can see the bias is every post here. the authors always let their opinion rule.

Pickr

dunkman1974 wrote:

why... do you need some help answering some queries?

Maybe google Vietnam?

lalalalaaaaaaaa

I can provide a counter-point to the fact that no large remains of the plane were found. NASA has done tests on crashing planes into concrete walls at high speeds:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X697yZBCN8w

That was a much smaller jet, but I think anyone can see what happens when a plane going at 500mph crashes into re-enforced concrete. It leaves no large pieces. I think this was one of the largest pieces found at the Pentagon:

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0305911-flight77-lg.jpg

dunkman

Pickr wrote:

Maybe google Vietnam?

maybe google 9/11 debunking ... for all your conspiracy needs.

you havent answered the question... what actually happened to the people i listed on my first post in this thread? and the big plane they were on... if a missile did indeed hit the Pentagon... strange that the last contact was made from air-traffic around that very spot.... strange how their is images showing plane debris lying around the site... even stranger is the hundred plus witness statements that report seeing the plane flying extremely low over that area... strange how one of the victims was actually a senior figure within the pentagon... hmmmmmm but yes it was a missile!!!

do you really think the US needs to kill 3000 people on home turf to start a war against Saddam and his cronies??? thats naive... they could have faked a terrorist act of a smaller magnitude on a more acceptable target... say a police depot or something... and the american public would have been duped into a world of fear simply by that... it would be easier than faking 4 simultaneous hijackings and crashing them into iconic structures to make the point... fuck me man... Bush didnt need any excuse to go to war... he would have done it anyway!

ledvedderman

dunkman1974 wrote:

maybe google 9/11 debunking ... for all your conspiracy needs.

you havent answered the question... what actually happened to the people i listed on my first post in this thread? and the big plane they were on... if a missile did indeed hit the Pentagon... strange that the last contact was made from air-traffic around that very spot.... strange how their is images showing plane debris lying around the site... even stranger is the hundred plus witness statements that report seeing the plane flying extremely low over that area... strange how one of the victims was actually a senior figure within the pentagon... hmmmmmm but yes it was a missile!!!

do you really think the US needs to kill 3000 people on home turf to start a war against Saddam and his cronies??? thats naive... they could have faked a terrorist act of a smaller magnitude on a more acceptable target... say a police depot or something... and the american public would have been duped into a world of fear simply by that... it would be easier than faking 4 simultaneous hijackings and crashing them into iconic structures to make the point... fuck me man... Bush didnt need any excuse to go to war... he would have done it anyway!

I agree, however I don't really think any of us know what the government is capable of doing in order to get what they want. I don't think there is a limit to it. I mean, it's quite possible they killed a President to start a war, would these people think twice about American citizens. That is what has me asking questions.

Ever since 9/11 they have had the American people by the balls playing on their fears, willing to go along with anything they say. I say 9/11 has paid off well for the administration.

I don't really know if Bush or his cronies were involved, but the fact that there are so many un-answered questions that they refuse to answer
(or only answer when they are not under oathe and the public won't find out), feeds the conspiracy theorists. Just give us the truth.

Pickr

dunkman1974 wrote:

maybe google 9/11 debunking ... for all your conspiracy needs.

you havent answered the question... what actually happened to the people i listed on my first post in this thread? and the big plane they were on... if a missile did indeed hit the Pentagon... strange that the last contact was made from air-traffic around that very spot.... strange how their is images showing plane debris lying around the site... even stranger is the hundred plus witness statements that report seeing the plane flying extremely low over that area... strange how one of the victims was actually a senior figure within the pentagon... hmmmmmm but yes it was a missile!!!

do you really think the US needs to kill 3000 people on home turf to start a war against Saddam and his cronies??? thats naive... they could have faked a terrorist act of a smaller magnitude on a more acceptable target... say a police depot or something... and the american public would have been duped into a world of fear simply by that... it would be easier than faking 4 simultaneous hijackings and crashing them into iconic structures to make the point... fuck me man... Bush didnt need any excuse to go to war... he would have done it anyway!

I am just making the point that the US goverment has no problem killing innocent children for the sake of it's cause...that is all I am trying to get across.