Gun remark makes outdoorsman an outcast

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

yes. but a cop was ambushed by a couple gangbangers and i saved his life. thus the award. i saved at least 4 other lives shooting rattlesnakes when i used to have people coming to visit the ranch. i scared off a mountain lion after it ripped the face off a neighbors horse. guns are tools. and a necessity on the open range.

undoubtedly. i have acknowledged that the needs of rural areas are vastly different from those of urban areas. these examples would have been very useful contributions to the debate about 3 pages ago, rather than ominous rhetoric about plugging scumbags the courts cant deal with and stockpiling illegal weapons.

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

it's done in many countries without any problems. i have no problem with people defending themselves though. i do have problems with people who think they are above the law and would go looking for criminals to shoot thinking they're doing justice. we have police, courts, and jails for a reason (and they were also provided for in the constitution). that is the impression i got from some of your posts. i hope i was off the mark.

way off the mark. i rarely leave the ranch. maybe once a month to buy food. i get water but it doesn't involve contact with people. the only exception is doctors visits. the only time i'm interested in enforcing the law is on my own property. it would take at least 3 hours for a sheriff to get here if he could even find it.

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

way off the mark. i rarely leave the ranch. maybe once a month to buy food. i get water but it doesn't involve contact with people. the only exception is doctors visits. the only time i'm interested in enforcing the law is on my own property. it would take at least 3 hours for a sheriff to get here if he could even find it.

fair enough. some of your language was misleading. at least now i know ill never be able to find those weapons stockpiles you're hoarding

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

undoubtedly. i have acknowledged that the needs of rural areas are vastly different from those of urban areas. these examples would have been very useful contributions to the debate about 3 pages ago, rather than ominous rhetoric about plugging scumbags the courts cant deal with and stockpiling illegal weapons.

years back you would hear of the atf busting these little private militias. there are countless groups of "good o'le boys" with secret bunkers all over the country. this isn't new news. i recall a bust in montana about 9 years back where rocket launchers and anti-tank missles were found; among a cashe of other military weapons. it was on the national news. ever since waco you don't hear about it anymore. but be assured they can and will protect the constitution. the military is having a hard time controlling a bunch of insurgents in iraq. what makes you think they can do better here?

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

fair enough. some of your language was misleading. at least now i know ill never be able to find those weapons stockpiles you're hoarding

what i have is legal. i may have a lot but everything is legal.

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

years back you would hear of the atf busting these little private militias. there are countless groups of "good o'le boys" with secret bunkers all over the country. this isn't new news. i recall a bust in montana about 9 years back where rocket launchers and anti-tank missles were found; among a cashe of other military weapons. it was on the national news. ever since waco you don't hear about it anymore. but be assured they can and will protect the constitution. the military is having a hard time controlling a bunch of insurgents in iraq. what makes you think they can do better here?

i have no doubt they would try. i dont think it's going to be necessary though. hell, if it ever becomes necessary, ill sign up to help them. like i said, i only got the impression you were a little cracked becos some of the things you were saying seemed a little frightening is all. you came off a little unabomber-ish for a bit there.

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

i have no doubt they would try. i dont think it's going to be necessary though. hell, if it ever becomes necessary, ill sign up to help them. like i said, i only got the impression you were a little cracked becos some of the things you were saying seemed a little frightening is all. you came off a little unabomber-ish for a bit there.

i understand. i get a little caught up in the moment and don't choose my words wisely.
after everything we talked about; i'd like to tell you why 90% of the citizens SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a gun. they hesitate to pull the trigger. it takes only seconds for a criminal to disarm you and use your own gun against you. police are taught the 7 yard rule. it takes 7 seconds for the average police officer to draw his gun; aim; and fire. it takes a criminal 7 seconds to move 21 feet and over-power you.
so no; the average citizen should not carry a gun.

Scubascott

onelongsong wrote:

absolutely right. if we let the constitution be rewritten every time someone got a burr under their saddle we wouldn't have any of the original document left. it would change from fad to fad. generation to generation. and our freedom would change from president to president.
if you don't like the constitution; there's a border to the north and another to the south. don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Don't worry, I live a very long way away from your soil and your constitution. I have no plans to ever live under it, although I may visit from time to time. I'm making mental notes of the parts to avoid though, because I'd prefer not to get shot. Where did you say you were again? Nevada?

Scubascott

onelongsong wrote:

yes. but a cop was ambushed by a couple gangbangers and i saved his life. thus the award. i saved at least 4 other lives shooting rattlesnakes when i used to have people coming to visit the ranch. i scared off a mountain lion after it ripped the face off a neighbors horse. guns are tools. and a necessity on the open range.

You saved four lives by shooting rattlesnakes? I find that extremely hard to believe. I'd love to hear your heroic story of saving lives by shooting rattlesnakes.

onelongsong

Scubascott wrote:

You saved four lives by shooting rattlesnakes? I find that extremely hard to believe. I'd love to hear your heroic story of saving lives by shooting rattlesnakes.

what's to tell? an elderly woman stepped out of her camper as i was walking by and there was a rattlesnake at the base of her steps. it was moving along but she was about to step on it so i shot it. what's so hard to understand? it's hours to the nearest hospital so a helecopter would have to be called. it would still take an hour each way. the next was a young child who saw the tail and went to pick it up. the next was a young man in his early 20's who was moving some wood around and a rattlesnake came out from behind and he didn't see it. then there was a wonam in her 40's who was walking and not paying attention. she came up on the snake and froze. the snake sat coiled long enough for me to shoot it. lastly was me. i was in the greenhouse watering when i looked down and a small rattlesnake was at my feet. if it wasn't cold that morning he would have bit me by the time i saw him. at that time i was alone without a vehicle.
now knowing you have some of the most poisonous snakes in austrailia; why can't you understand how killing a poisonous snake at your feet would save you? especially in the outback where help is far away?

onelongsong

Scubascott wrote:

You saved four lives by shooting rattlesnakes? I find that extremely hard to believe. I'd love to hear your heroic story of saving lives by shooting rattlesnakes.

what's to tell? an elderly woman stepped out of her camper as i was walking by and there was a rattlesnake at the base of her steps. it was moving along but she was about to step on it so i shot it. what's so hard to understand? it's hours to the nearest hospital so a helecopter would have to be called. it would still take an hour each way. the next was a young child who saw the tail and went to pick it up. the next was a young man in his early 20's who was moving some wood around and a rattlesnake came out from behind and he didn't see it. then there was a woman in her 40's who was walking and not paying attention. she came up on the snake and froze. the snake sat coiled long enough for me to shoot it. lastly was me. i was in the greenhouse watering when i looked down and a small rattlesnake was at my feet. if it wasn't cold that morning he would have bit me by the time i saw him. at that time i was alone without a vehicle.
now knowing you have some of the most poisonous snakes in austrailia; why can't you understand how killing a poisonous snake at your feet would save you? especially in the outback where help is far away?

lucylespian

onelongsong wrote:

what's to tell? an elderly woman stepped out of her camper as i was walking by and there was a rattlesnake at the base of her steps. it was moving along but she was about to step on it so i shot it. what's so hard to understand? it's hours to the nearest hospital so a helecopter would have to be called. it would still take an hour each way. the next was a young child who saw the tail and went to pick it up. the next was a young man in his early 20's who was moving some wood around and a rattlesnake came out from behind and he didn't see it. then there was a woman in her 40's who was walking and not paying attention. she came up on the snake and froze. the snake sat coiled long enough for me to shoot it. lastly was me. i was in the greenhouse watering when i looked down and a small rattlesnake was at my feet. if it wasn't cold that morning he would have bit me by the time i saw him. at that time i was alone without a vehicle.
now knowing you have some of the most poisonous snakes in austrailia; why can't you understand how killing a poisonous snake at your feet would save you? especially in the outback where help is far away?

We just manage wihout guns. A golf club or a long handles shovel does the job just as well, just without the heroic drama. Knowing how we have a whole range of poisonous critters, isn't it amazing we don't all need a gun to survive the day. Just how many people die in the US from handgun crime each year, and just what percentage of those are killed by first-degree relatives ??

RolandTD20Kdrummer

why is this news???

lucylespian

onelongsong wrote:

what i have is legal. i may have a lot but everything is legal.

Yes, but your legal system is nuts !!

onelongsong

lucylespian wrote:

We just manage wihout guns. A golf club or a long handles shovel does the job just as well, just without the heroic drama. Knowing how we have a whole range of poisonous critters, isn't it amazing we don't all need a gun to survive the day. Just how many people die in the US from handgun crime each year, and just what percentage of those are killed by first-degree relatives ??

more lives are saved by handguns than taken. over 30,000 more people are killed by drunk drivers.
how do you carry a golf club or long handled shovel when you're on horseback riding fence lines? how do you carry it when you're repairing fence and need both hands? in this situation you're most likely to come upon a snake. how do you fight off mountain lions with a shovel? how do you carry a shovel with you everywhere?
also; you don't manage without guns. i know aussies with guns. the semi-automatics were banned. not all guns.

onelongsong

lucylespian wrote:

Yes, but your legal system is nuts !!

but we were able to fight off england twice. have you forgotten january 26th?

know1

onelongsong wrote:

i don't look for trouble. i rarely leave the ranch. but there's people like me everywhere. a couple years back florida passed a self defence law. kentucky is currently passing legislation to allow the shooting of carjackers. you seem more concerned about the criminals than you do the victims.

i'll answer your question by saying not as many as people say.
try walking through a VA hospital asking the same question. let me know how far you get.

If the punishment for committing a car jacking isn't death, how can they justify passing a law that essentially makes it a death sentence....without the appropriate judicial process?

know1

onelongsong wrote:

a word about gun control.
if guns were completely banned; i don't know anyone that would give up their guns. if someone came knocking on my door i'd tell them i heard about the ban and sold them. they won't dig up hundreds of acres trying to find them.
let's not forget black powder weapons. they cannot be regulated and can be mailed. (check out cabalas) i enjoy shooting my black powder weapons and would not have a problem carrying those. you cannot take away a persons right to defend themselves.

So in other words, you're in favor of shooting criminals YET you admit you would be a criminal without any hesitation. Can I shoot you?

onelongsong

know1 wrote:

So in other words, you're in favor of shooting criminals YET you admit you would be a criminal without any hesitation. Can I shoot you?

love to see you try.

know1

onelongsong wrote:

love to see you try.

I would never do that as I don't believe in it. Just trying to point out a bit of hypocrisy in saying that disobeying the law makes it justifiable to kill someone.