If the punishment for committing a car jacking isn't death, how can they justify passing a law that essentially makes it a death sentence....without the appropriate judicial process?
i'm not making any laws. i heard it on the tele.
there was a story on the phoenix fox news this morning about a 60 year old woman that took a gun away from a car jacker and shot him. i've got to run so i can't find the link.
carjacking with a weapon is reasonable cause to believe your life is in danger and deadly force is justifiable.
We just manage wihout guns. A golf club or a long handles shovel does the job just as well, just without the heroic drama. Knowing how we have a whole range of poisonous critters, isn't it amazing we don't all need a gun to survive the day. Just how many people die in the US from handgun crime each year, and just what percentage of those are killed by first-degree relatives ??
haven't you grabbed a bale of hay and come upon a snake? our horses get bit on the nose a lot. still wondering how you ride with a shovel.
If the elderly woman is literally about to step on the snake, isn't it a bit dangerous to shoot it out from under her foot?
this is where judgment comes in. the snake was at least 4 feet long and because it was moving; it was streached out. so the head was at least 4 feet away from her foot. even at 25 feet; i can knock the head off a cigarette.
i understand. i get a little caught up in the moment and don't choose my words wisely.
after everything we talked about; i'd like to tell you why 90% of the citizens SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a gun. they hesitate to pull the trigger. it takes only seconds for a criminal to disarm you and use your own gun against you. police are taught the 7 yard rule. it takes 7 seconds for the average police officer to draw his gun; aim; and fire. it takes a criminal 7 seconds to move 21 feet and over-power you.
so no; the average citizen should not carry a gun.
A few pages ago criminals were in shock when they were confronted with a weapon. Now you say they'd take that weapon and shoot you.
And I still don't understand why you have to kill them.
this is where judgment comes in. the snake was at least 4 feet long and because it was moving; it was streached out. so the head was at least 4 feet away from her foot. even at 25 feet; i can knock the head off a cigarette.
Fair enough. I can certainly understand that much more than killing someone over your wallet which I find deplorable.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
A few pages ago criminals were in shock when they were confronted with a weapon. Now you say they'd take that weapon and shoot you.
And I still don't understand why you have to kill them.
I don't understand why purse snatchers and petty criminals strung out on drugs need to beat old ladies who don't want their bag snatched. Why they find it necessary to kick them, punch them and toss them to the ground breaking bones, causing hideous injury and sometimes even frightening them into an early grave. But it happens doesn't it?
As far as I can see if you are a criminal and this is what you feel you must do to survive, fine, but surely you must expect that sometimes, just maybe the victim may fight back, and just maybe you might not come out of it as well as you'd planned.
Your choice really. If someone is attempting to inflict their shit on you and they come off second best, well maybe that's not such a bad thing sometimes.
And I still don't understand why you have to kill them.
If you are shooting someone, you shoot to kill. Shooting knives out of hands, or shooting kneecaps is the stuff of Hollywood. You aim for center mass, and shoot to kill.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
If you are shooting someone, you shoot to kill. Shooting knives out of hands, or shooting kneecaps is the stuff of Hollywood. You aim for center mass, and shoot to kill.
I'm not talking about shooting weapons out of hands or shooting kneecaps (though onelongsong can obviously pull it off). There aren't many criminal that will get up after being shot in the center mass and they certainly won't continue to try to steal your wallet. That's Hollywood for you.
I'm done with posting in this thread, the complete disregard for human life here is sickening.
I would never do that as I don't believe in it. Just trying to point out a bit of hypocrisy in saying that disobeying the law makes it justifiable to kill someone.
So you don't have self defense laws where you are?
How is defending yourself against an attacker hypocritical?
And please explain to me how you know with a certainty that you will never kill anyone? Psychic are we?
I'm not saying that you will and I'm all for being a pacifist as much as is practical, but the fact remains that people inflict serious harm on other people for shitty things like wallets and the like. Have you ever been in a situation where your life was threatened? And repeatedly? If you have I'm happy for you that you were able to come out of it with your life, sanity and ideals still intact. But if you haven't then might I suggest that you acknowledge unless you have been in the situation you may have no idea how you'd react or what you would do. And everybody acts differently at different times anyway, so what you think you might do and what you actually do are probably two different things. AND what you might do the first time your life is in danger could be very different to what you do the second time.
Not criticizing you, but I really think you need to try to see all points of view in the arguement and stop judging people, as that is what is seems you are doing to me.
I'm not talking about shooting weapons out of hands or shooting kneecaps (though onelongsong can obviously pull it off). There aren't many criminal that will get up after being shot in the center mass and they certainly won't continue to try to steal your wallet. That's Hollywood for you.
I'm done with posting in this thread, the complete disregard for human life here is sickening.
WTF are you on about? You asked why they had to be killed. I've never shot someone, and I hope never to have to. I won't go looking for it. But if my life, or the lives of my family members are threatened, I won't hesitate firing on someone. If you can drop them with a center mass hit and they don't die, that's great. My point was that you need to be prepared, if you are going to shoot someone, that the person you are shooting may die.
My post didn't contain any disregard for human life, it contained practical, real self-defense advice.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
If you are shooting someone, you shoot to kill. Shooting knives out of hands, or shooting kneecaps is the stuff of Hollywood. You aim for center mass, and shoot to kill.
true; but you keep in practice by target shooting. exhibition shooting is fun too. my aunt holds the national skeet shooting record. there's a lot of things you can do with a gun besides kill.
there's a lot of things you can do with a gun besides kill.
Absolutely. With a shotgun I like to kill discs of clay when I shoot trap, and I like to kill pieces of paper on the range with a handgun. That is about all I've killed with firearms in the last 25 years.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
I'm not talking about shooting weapons out of hands or shooting kneecaps (though onelongsong can obviously pull it off). There aren't many criminal that will get up after being shot in the center mass and they certainly won't continue to try to steal your wallet. That's Hollywood for you.
I'm done with posting in this thread, the complete disregard for human life here is sickening.
Sorry? Where's the complete disregard for human life?
Clearly you have trouble with understanding human nature.
And cause and effect.
Or maybe you are just misinterpreting people on a message board.
Easily done.
Shame you feel that you can't reason your way through the thread and come out with a better understanding of people's points of view.
But then didn't you say that the world is f**ked anyway? So I guess coming from that point of view there is no fixing what's broke in your eyes.
Shame really.
Understanding can change the world.
Absolutely. With a shotgun I like to kill discs of clay when I shoot trap, and I like to kill pieces of paper on the range with a handgun. That is about all I've killed with firearms in the last 25 years.
I fired a shotgun once. The kick back promptly made me drop it!
Left a huge bruise on my shoulder. And I was not very popular!!
And then same day I got to fire a .22 semi automatic. VERY SCARY gun.
So EASY to use. Too easy. More scary than the shotty. Not many of them around here anymore. Well not legally anyway.
Anyway, I'll never be a gun toting girl. I've tried them and I'm not really a fan of them for me. But I understand they are a necessary tool in some parts of the world.
And I do love to watch the clay target shooting at the Olympics.
Such a skill.
Sorry? Where's the complete disregard for human life?
so a kid in an urban area needs to know that if he tries to rob or carjack me; i will shoot him dead.
Killing teens over a wallet. Sounds like onelongsong is quite the humanitarian.
So your wallet and car are worth more than human life?
in a word; yes.
i have no problem killing some scum that attacks me.
A wallet and car are worth more than human life. And he doesn't even have a problem with it. Killing a rotten kid, a walk in the park.
an eye for an eye
Theft = death penalty. This was, by the way, his reply when I asked him if he was a Christian. Yay Jesus!
killing your first person is hard. especially if you look into their eyes. but after that it isn't that bad. when you exterminate vermin; you do society a favour.
Vermin, he admits he has no problem killing punk kids, he considers them vermin and he thinks he's doing society a favour. Well tell that to the 16-year-old thug's mother.
Clearly you have trouble with understanding human nature.
Oh I understand human nature alright.
Or maybe you are just misinterpreting people on a message board.
Easily done.
Is a wallet worth more than a human life?
In a word; yes.
The most expensive wallet I've ever seen was $125. A human life is worth less.
What's your interpretation Jeanie?
Shame you feel that you can't reason your way through the thread and come out with a better understanding of people's points of view.
I'm trying.
But then didn't you say that the world is f**ked anyway?
Ah yes, it's a wonderful world isn't it. Do I have to post some Darfur pictures? Or kids in Iraq? Or how about the story that was on the news yesterday? A mother killed her 5 children.
So I guess coming from that point of view there is no fixing what's broke in your eyes.
I'm doing my best to change it. Too bad the people I'm trying to help are the same vermin onelongsong has no problem killing.
Shame really.
Understanding can change the world.
It certainly can. How big of an attempt does a person make to understand someone when he shoots that person.
what's to tell? an elderly woman stepped out of her camper as i was walking by and there was a rattlesnake at the base of her steps. it was moving along but she was about to step on it so i shot it. what's so hard to understand? it's hours to the nearest hospital so a helecopter would have to be called. it would still take an hour each way. the next was a young child who saw the tail and went to pick it up. the next was a young man in his early 20's who was moving some wood around and a rattlesnake came out from behind and he didn't see it. then there was a wonam in her 40's who was walking and not paying attention. she came up on the snake and froze. the snake sat coiled long enough for me to shoot it. lastly was me. i was in the greenhouse watering when i looked down and a small rattlesnake was at my feet. if it wasn't cold that morning he would have bit me by the time i saw him. at that time i was alone without a vehicle.
now knowing you have some of the most poisonous snakes in austrailia; why can't you understand how killing a poisonous snake at your feet would save you? especially in the outback where help is far away?
you have got to be kidding me. ever heard of the words. STOP SNAKE!!!! ?
yeah there are poisonous snake around. and yes here in australia we have some of the deadliest. i would prefer to be aware of my surroundings, to know that i am in the wild and to respect that i am the one out of my element. i wouldn't shoot or harm a snake just cause it's poisonous. and yes i have been in that situation.
i can not condone the use of a firearm against a friggin' snake for crying out loud if there is an alternative.
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true; but you keep in practice by target shooting. exhibition shooting is fun too. my aunt holds the national skeet shooting record. there's a lot of things you can do with a gun besides kill.
yeah, you can pistol whip the bastards.
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but we were able to fight off england twice. have you forgotten january 26th?
Actually , I think that is a large part of the problem. Because your country was born by success in war, you have stuck with war and guns as being central and essential to your existence.
As someone posting on a PJ board, I thought you might have heard of Evolution, but clearly not. Rooted in the past, rooted in Scripture, you are clearly an Old Testament freak who revels in the thought of being a hero.
I'm inclined to believe you are making up most of the crap you have posted anyway.
Australia does cope without guns in our society. Sport shooting is strictly controlled and so are guns for use on the land. They are used, stored and transported in accordance wiht regulations that make gun crime almost non-existent here.
No guns does equal no gun crime. the fact that you already have so many that you can't realistically get rid of them does not mean that you would not be better off if you could.
what's to tell? an elderly woman stepped out of her camper as i was walking by and there was a rattlesnake at the base of her steps. it was moving along but she was about to step on it so i shot it. what's so hard to understand? it's hours to the nearest hospital so a helecopter would have to be called. it would still take an hour each way. the next was a young child who saw the tail and went to pick it up. the next was a young man in his early 20's who was moving some wood around and a rattlesnake came out from behind and he didn't see it. then there was a wonam in her 40's who was walking and not paying attention. she came up on the snake and froze. the snake sat coiled long enough for me to shoot it. lastly was me. i was in the greenhouse watering when i looked down and a small rattlesnake was at my feet. if it wasn't cold that morning he would have bit me by the time i saw him. at that time i was alone without a vehicle.
now knowing you have some of the most poisonous snakes in austrailia; why can't you understand how killing a poisonous snake at your feet would save you? especially in the outback where help is far away?
So let me see if I have this right. You almost shot a woman's foot off in order to 'save her life'? Then you fired your gun in close proximity to a child?
You are a lunatic. I've been no more than six inches away from a rattlesnake in california on a very warm night, and it made absolutely no attempt to bite me. I have a very good appreciation for the dangers of venomous snakes. The area that I grew up in is home to three of the top ten most venomous snakes in the world. What I know about snakes is that they will very rarely attempt to bite you unless they feel threatened. The only snake that has ever tried to bit me was a carpet python, and that was only because I grabbed its tail.
I'm glad that shooting small animals makes you feel masculine and heroic. I'd suggest however, that you'd be a much braver man if you learnt to overcome your obvious fear of snakes, and found out how to handle then in ways that don't involve killing them needlessly.
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So you don't have self defense laws where you are?
How is defending yourself against an attacker hypocritical?
And please explain to me how you know with a certainty that you will never kill anyone? Psychic are we?
I'm not saying that you will and I'm all for being a pacifist as much as is practical, but the fact remains that people inflict serious harm on other people for shitty things like wallets and the like. Have you ever been in a situation where your life was threatened? And repeatedly? If you have I'm happy for you that you were able to come out of it with your life, sanity and ideals still intact. But if you haven't then might I suggest that you acknowledge unless you have been in the situation you may have no idea how you'd react or what you would do. And everybody acts differently at different times anyway, so what you think you might do and what you actually do are probably two different things. AND what you might do the first time your life is in danger could be very different to what you do the second time.
Not criticizing you, but I really think you need to try to see all points of view in the arguement and stop judging people, as that is what is seems you are doing to me.
I do not know if there are self-defense laws here.
I do know for certain that my wallet isn't worth killing someone over. That's all I've said. If someone's taking your wallet, it's not necessarily self defense, you know?
I never said that I knew for certain I wouldn't kill someone. Not sure where you got that one.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
So let me see if I have this right. You almost shot a woman's foot off in order to 'save her life'? Then you fired your gun in close proximity to a child?
You are a lunatic. I've been no more than six inches away from a rattlesnake in california on a very warm night, and it made absolutely no attempt to bite me. I have a very good appreciation for the dangers of venomous snakes. The area that I grew up in is home to three of the top ten most venomous snakes in the world. What I know about snakes is that they will very rarely attempt to bite you unless they feel threatened. The only snake that has ever tried to bit me was a carpet python, and that was only because I grabbed its tail.
I'm glad that shooting small animals makes you feel masculine and heroic. I'd suggest however, that you'd be a much braver man if you learnt to overcome your obvious fear of snakes, and found out how to handle then in ways that don't involve killing them needlessly.
stepping on a snake or grabbing it's tail will cause it to strike. i don't miss so the womans foot was never in danger; however; with her medical condition she would have survived a shot in the foot but not the snake bite.
again; you are trying to compare different cultures and justify your opinion as correct. it won't work. to someone living in NYC life is completely different than someone living in casper WY; and; someone living in the vast wilderness of the west. so you don't like the way we live here? boo hoo. get over it. you obviously don't understand the conditions or the lifestyle here. we don't have law here as you know it. or as someone in NYC knows it. you may have to protect your children from the neighbourhood bully but we have to protect ours from mountain lions. it may seem ok to you to let poisonous snakes roam where children play but would you feel the same if the nearest medical attention is at best 3 hours away? and even then the anti-venom has to be flown in; and that's IF the snake was identified. anti-venom for the mohave rattler must be administered within 11 minutes.
although i respect your opinion; i also realize you don't know what your talking about when you try to compare conditions here with yours.
I do not know if there are self-defense laws here.
I do know for certain that my wallet isn't worth killing someone over. That's all I've said. If someone's taking your wallet, it's not necessarily self defense, you know?
I never said that I knew for certain I wouldn't kill someone. Not sure where you got that one.
i'm not sure where this wallet came from; but where do you draw the line? would you sit idly by and let someone rape your daughter in your idealism to give them what they want and allow them to go on to victimize another person? would you give your child to a preditor to avoid confrontation? are you saying that if i had a weapon i should be able to walk down the street and collect everyone's wallets and purses without anyone resisting because giving me what i want is the proper behavior?
sounds like a bunch of guttless wonders talking to me. no wonder you have crime. in our town of 3000 people; the biggest crime last year was a barking dog. we have 1 cop that only tickets speeding tourists.
you get what you accept. if you're going to accept crime you will have crime.
i'm not sure where this wallet came from; but where do you draw the line? would you sit idly by and let someone rape your daughter in your idealism to give them what they want and allow them to go on to victimize another person? would you give your child to a preditor to avoid confrontation? are you saying that if i had a weapon i should be able to walk down the street and collect everyone's wallets and purses without anyone resisting because giving me what i want is the proper behavior?
sounds like a bunch of guttless wonders talking to me. no wonder you have crime. in our town of 3000 people; the biggest crime last year was a barking dog. we have 1 cop that only tickets speeding tourists.
you get what you accept. if you're going to accept crime you will have crime.
There's a long way from a wallet to letting someone rape your daughter. Of course I would try to stop that...just like I would try to stop my wallet from being stolen. I would not try to kill someone because I do not believe in it.
You're just being plain silly to take what I've said and translate that into letting people walk down the street and collect wallets.
Again, I'm not accepting crime. I have a very harsh view of criminals. But you can not accept crime in other ways than just taking the law into your own hands and shooting someone over a few dollars.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
There's a long way from a wallet to letting someone rape your daughter. Of course I would try to stop that...just like I would try to stop my wallet from being stolen. I would not try to kill someone because I do not believe in it.
You're just being plain silly to take what I've said and translate that into letting people walk down the street and collect wallets.
Again, I'm not accepting crime. I have a very harsh view of criminals. But you can not accept crime in other ways than just taking the law into your own hands and shooting someone over a few dollars.
here's where you misunderstand. i never said over a few dollars. i said attacked. this means being confronted with a weapon. when a weapon is used it doesn't matter what they want. i guess you have to be held at gunpoint to understand. prior to that i wouldn't even carry a pocket knife. i considered it a weapon of war and i wouldn't carry it. it was principles.
on the other hand; i still help the poor; work with disadvantaged children and let them come to the ranch for the experience. i donate greatly to humanitarian causes and my main work is nutritional reasearch. i sell wholesale to native americans and senior citizens. i sell the best quality meat cheaper than anyone else either on the internet or locally. i would never intentionally hurt anyone and entered politics when i found we were not represented because we were paying taxes but didn't have roads; emergency medical services; schools; law enforcement; or any of the other services we were paying for. we don't have the grid so anyone wanting electricity has to go solar. phones are not available. if you have a cell; signal is almost nothing and you usually have to climb to a high spot to get signal.
so all in all; i'm not a bad person. we've learned to govern ourselves and enjoy a happy; crime free life apart from the rat race and world events that won't and probably never will effect us. except global warming of course.
so to condemn a society that not only works but thrives in happiness and pristine surroundings; cannot be right.
here's where you misunderstand. i never said over a few dollars. i said attacked. this means being confronted with a weapon. when a weapon is used it doesn't matter what they want. i guess you have to be held at gunpoint to understand. prior to that i wouldn't even carry a pocket knife. i considered it a weapon of war and i wouldn't carry it. it was principles.
Here's why I misunderstood - this is a quote from page 6 of this thread:
"so a kid in an urban area needs to know that if he tries to rob or carjack me; i will shoot him dead"
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I guess it is important to know your audience when your living depends on your audience. A number of media people have lost their market share or jobs by making statements that their viewers or sponsors took issue with.
My favorite part was when the dude started slobbering all over himself to apologize once he learned it was going to hit him in the pocket book. Dude, have some balls and stick by what you said and believe.
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i'm not making any laws. i heard it on the tele.
there was a story on the phoenix fox news this morning about a 60 year old woman that took a gun away from a car jacker and shot him. i've got to run so i can't find the link.
carjacking with a weapon is reasonable cause to believe your life is in danger and deadly force is justifiable.
haven't you grabbed a bale of hay and come upon a snake? our horses get bit on the nose a lot. still wondering how you ride with a shovel.
If the elderly woman is literally about to step on the snake, isn't it a bit dangerous to shoot it out from under her foot?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
this is where judgment comes in. the snake was at least 4 feet long and because it was moving; it was streached out. so the head was at least 4 feet away from her foot. even at 25 feet; i can knock the head off a cigarette.
A few pages ago criminals were in shock when they were confronted with a weapon. Now you say they'd take that weapon and shoot you.
And I still don't understand why you have to kill them.
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Fair enough. I can certainly understand that much more than killing someone over your wallet which I find deplorable.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I don't understand why purse snatchers and petty criminals strung out on drugs need to beat old ladies who don't want their bag snatched. Why they find it necessary to kick them, punch them and toss them to the ground breaking bones, causing hideous injury and sometimes even frightening them into an early grave. But it happens doesn't it?
As far as I can see if you are a criminal and this is what you feel you must do to survive, fine, but surely you must expect that sometimes, just maybe the victim may fight back, and just maybe you might not come out of it as well as you'd planned.
Your choice really. If someone is attempting to inflict their shit on you and they come off second best, well maybe that's not such a bad thing sometimes.
Think of it as hazards of the job.
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If you are shooting someone, you shoot to kill. Shooting knives out of hands, or shooting kneecaps is the stuff of Hollywood. You aim for center mass, and shoot to kill.
I'm not talking about shooting weapons out of hands or shooting kneecaps (though onelongsong can obviously pull it off). There aren't many criminal that will get up after being shot in the center mass and they certainly won't continue to try to steal your wallet. That's Hollywood for you.
I'm done with posting in this thread, the complete disregard for human life here is sickening.
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So you don't have self defense laws where you are?
How is defending yourself against an attacker hypocritical?
And please explain to me how you know with a certainty that you will never kill anyone? Psychic are we?
I'm not saying that you will and I'm all for being a pacifist as much as is practical, but the fact remains that people inflict serious harm on other people for shitty things like wallets and the like. Have you ever been in a situation where your life was threatened? And repeatedly? If you have I'm happy for you that you were able to come out of it with your life, sanity and ideals still intact. But if you haven't then might I suggest that you acknowledge unless you have been in the situation you may have no idea how you'd react or what you would do. And everybody acts differently at different times anyway, so what you think you might do and what you actually do are probably two different things. AND what you might do the first time your life is in danger could be very different to what you do the second time.
Not criticizing you, but I really think you need to try to see all points of view in the arguement and stop judging people, as that is what is seems you are doing to me.
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WTF are you on about? You asked why they had to be killed. I've never shot someone, and I hope never to have to. I won't go looking for it. But if my life, or the lives of my family members are threatened, I won't hesitate firing on someone. If you can drop them with a center mass hit and they don't die, that's great. My point was that you need to be prepared, if you are going to shoot someone, that the person you are shooting may die.
My post didn't contain any disregard for human life, it contained practical, real self-defense advice.
true; but you keep in practice by target shooting. exhibition shooting is fun too. my aunt holds the national skeet shooting record. there's a lot of things you can do with a gun besides kill.
Absolutely. With a shotgun I like to kill discs of clay when I shoot trap, and I like to kill pieces of paper on the range with a handgun. That is about all I've killed with firearms in the last 25 years.
Sorry? Where's the complete disregard for human life?
Clearly you have trouble with understanding human nature.
And cause and effect.
Or maybe you are just misinterpreting people on a message board.
Easily done.
Shame you feel that you can't reason your way through the thread and come out with a better understanding of people's points of view.
But then didn't you say that the world is f**ked anyway? So I guess coming from that point of view there is no fixing what's broke in your eyes.
Shame really.
Understanding can change the world.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I fired a shotgun once. The kick back promptly made me drop it!
Left a huge bruise on my shoulder. And I was not very popular!!
And then same day I got to fire a .22 semi automatic. VERY SCARY gun.
So EASY to use. Too easy. More scary than the shotty. Not many of them around here anymore. Well not legally anyway.
Anyway, I'll never be a gun toting girl. I've tried them and I'm not really a fan of them for me. But I understand they are a necessary tool in some parts of the world.
And I do love to watch the clay target shooting at the Olympics.
Such a skill.
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The currents will shift
so a kid in an urban area needs to know that if he tries to rob or carjack me; i will shoot him dead.
Killing teens over a wallet. Sounds like onelongsong is quite the humanitarian.
So your wallet and car are worth more than human life?
in a word; yes.
i have no problem killing some scum that attacks me.
A wallet and car are worth more than human life. And he doesn't even have a problem with it. Killing a rotten kid, a walk in the park.
an eye for an eye
Theft = death penalty. This was, by the way, his reply when I asked him if he was a Christian. Yay Jesus!
killing your first person is hard. especially if you look into their eyes. but after that it isn't that bad. when you exterminate vermin; you do society a favour.
Vermin, he admits he has no problem killing punk kids, he considers them vermin and he thinks he's doing society a favour. Well tell that to the 16-year-old thug's mother.
Oh I understand human nature alright.
Is a wallet worth more than a human life?
In a word; yes.
The most expensive wallet I've ever seen was $125. A human life is worth less.
What's your interpretation Jeanie?
I'm trying.
Ah yes, it's a wonderful world isn't it. Do I have to post some Darfur pictures? Or kids in Iraq? Or how about the story that was on the news yesterday? A mother killed her 5 children.
I'm doing my best to change it. Too bad the people I'm trying to help are the same vermin onelongsong has no problem killing.
It certainly can. How big of an attempt does a person make to understand someone when he shoots that person.
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you have got to be kidding me. ever heard of the words. STOP SNAKE!!!! ?
yeah there are poisonous snake around. and yes here in australia we have some of the deadliest. i would prefer to be aware of my surroundings, to know that i am in the wild and to respect that i am the one out of my element. i wouldn't shoot or harm a snake just cause it's poisonous. and yes i have been in that situation.
i can not condone the use of a firearm against a friggin' snake for crying out loud if there is an alternative.
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yeah, you can pistol whip the bastards.
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Actually , I think that is a large part of the problem. Because your country was born by success in war, you have stuck with war and guns as being central and essential to your existence.
As someone posting on a PJ board, I thought you might have heard of Evolution, but clearly not. Rooted in the past, rooted in Scripture, you are clearly an Old Testament freak who revels in the thought of being a hero.
I'm inclined to believe you are making up most of the crap you have posted anyway.
Australia does cope without guns in our society. Sport shooting is strictly controlled and so are guns for use on the land. They are used, stored and transported in accordance wiht regulations that make gun crime almost non-existent here.
No guns does equal no gun crime. the fact that you already have so many that you can't realistically get rid of them does not mean that you would not be better off if you could.
forgotten what about january 26th?
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So let me see if I have this right. You almost shot a woman's foot off in order to 'save her life'? Then you fired your gun in close proximity to a child?
You are a lunatic. I've been no more than six inches away from a rattlesnake in california on a very warm night, and it made absolutely no attempt to bite me. I have a very good appreciation for the dangers of venomous snakes. The area that I grew up in is home to three of the top ten most venomous snakes in the world. What I know about snakes is that they will very rarely attempt to bite you unless they feel threatened. The only snake that has ever tried to bit me was a carpet python, and that was only because I grabbed its tail.
I'm glad that shooting small animals makes you feel masculine and heroic. I'd suggest however, that you'd be a much braver man if you learnt to overcome your obvious fear of snakes, and found out how to handle then in ways that don't involve killing them needlessly.
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I do not know if there are self-defense laws here.
I do know for certain that my wallet isn't worth killing someone over. That's all I've said. If someone's taking your wallet, it's not necessarily self defense, you know?
I never said that I knew for certain I wouldn't kill someone. Not sure where you got that one.
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stepping on a snake or grabbing it's tail will cause it to strike. i don't miss so the womans foot was never in danger; however; with her medical condition she would have survived a shot in the foot but not the snake bite.
again; you are trying to compare different cultures and justify your opinion as correct. it won't work. to someone living in NYC life is completely different than someone living in casper WY; and; someone living in the vast wilderness of the west. so you don't like the way we live here? boo hoo. get over it. you obviously don't understand the conditions or the lifestyle here. we don't have law here as you know it. or as someone in NYC knows it. you may have to protect your children from the neighbourhood bully but we have to protect ours from mountain lions. it may seem ok to you to let poisonous snakes roam where children play but would you feel the same if the nearest medical attention is at best 3 hours away? and even then the anti-venom has to be flown in; and that's IF the snake was identified. anti-venom for the mohave rattler must be administered within 11 minutes.
although i respect your opinion; i also realize you don't know what your talking about when you try to compare conditions here with yours.
i'm not sure where this wallet came from; but where do you draw the line? would you sit idly by and let someone rape your daughter in your idealism to give them what they want and allow them to go on to victimize another person? would you give your child to a preditor to avoid confrontation? are you saying that if i had a weapon i should be able to walk down the street and collect everyone's wallets and purses without anyone resisting because giving me what i want is the proper behavior?
sounds like a bunch of guttless wonders talking to me. no wonder you have crime. in our town of 3000 people; the biggest crime last year was a barking dog. we have 1 cop that only tickets speeding tourists.
you get what you accept. if you're going to accept crime you will have crime.
There's a long way from a wallet to letting someone rape your daughter. Of course I would try to stop that...just like I would try to stop my wallet from being stolen. I would not try to kill someone because I do not believe in it.
You're just being plain silly to take what I've said and translate that into letting people walk down the street and collect wallets.
Again, I'm not accepting crime. I have a very harsh view of criminals. But you can not accept crime in other ways than just taking the law into your own hands and shooting someone over a few dollars.
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here's where you misunderstand. i never said over a few dollars. i said attacked. this means being confronted with a weapon. when a weapon is used it doesn't matter what they want. i guess you have to be held at gunpoint to understand. prior to that i wouldn't even carry a pocket knife. i considered it a weapon of war and i wouldn't carry it. it was principles.
on the other hand; i still help the poor; work with disadvantaged children and let them come to the ranch for the experience. i donate greatly to humanitarian causes and my main work is nutritional reasearch. i sell wholesale to native americans and senior citizens. i sell the best quality meat cheaper than anyone else either on the internet or locally. i would never intentionally hurt anyone and entered politics when i found we were not represented because we were paying taxes but didn't have roads; emergency medical services; schools; law enforcement; or any of the other services we were paying for. we don't have the grid so anyone wanting electricity has to go solar. phones are not available. if you have a cell; signal is almost nothing and you usually have to climb to a high spot to get signal.
so all in all; i'm not a bad person. we've learned to govern ourselves and enjoy a happy; crime free life apart from the rat race and world events that won't and probably never will effect us. except global warming of course.
so to condemn a society that not only works but thrives in happiness and pristine surroundings; cannot be right.
Here's why I misunderstood - this is a quote from page 6 of this thread:
"so a kid in an urban area needs to know that if he tries to rob or carjack me; i will shoot him dead"
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You said:
so a kid in an urban area needs to know that if he tries to rob or carjack me; i will shoot him dead
and then know1 and I asked if you think a wallet is worth more than human life and you said 'yes'.
I can attack someone without a weapon. Of course when you promote guns the attacker will most likely have a gun.
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My favorite part was when the dude started slobbering all over himself to apologize once he learned it was going to hit him in the pocket book. Dude, have some balls and stick by what you said and believe.
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