Posters, Wristbands, and waiting

EddiesMuse

I thought the wrist bands were an excellent idea. You didnt have to worry about protecting the poster (especially since it rained some last nite) and you didnt have to keep up with the poster through out the show. I think it also helped reinforce the one poster per person. It was not that bad waiting to get a poster at the end of the night, it wasnt like there was a fast way out of there anyway.

boomhauer

13PJ13 wrote:

Can someone clarify:
Were they taking the wristbands back (like, cutting them off) when you claimed your poster? And was it those cheap paper wristbands?

Thats exactly what they did... one person cut off the band, and made sure the person handing out the posters handed to the correct arm/hand. It was somewhat tedious, and lots of pushing/shoving to get in/out, but I think it was a good approach so that you didnt have to worry about lugging around and damaging it. they had some rubber bands, which ran out quick, but I didn't see any tubes.

and yes they were the cheap wristbands you get when you go the bars, etc... they weren't too much of a problem, and they mad sure the tuck the exposed glue so it didn't rip your arm hair off when it moved.

SBC03

NY PJ1 wrote:

Screw These Posters,,get Stickers

decides2dream wrote:

THAT is ALL i used to buy at shows. i wanted to keep it cheap and small, but get a momento. damn italy and that fantastic poster.....changed everything.

I thought about that on the ride home, should have gotten the black sticker. How many were there? 3? any pics?

Kilgore_Trout

the "line" to get posters wasnt really a line at all at the vic... on your way out you just flash the ticket/wristband and they give you your poster... its not really a super elaborate process... even if a line forms itll move incredibly fast IMO... i dont get why anyone would prefer worrying about a poster throughout the whole show (limiting their crazy rockin out) rather than just getting it at the end of the night

zolstice

NY PJ1 wrote:

why do they make so few ?? 500 for 15,000 seats ???

The people who ask "why do they make so few" obviously do not understand the screen printing process.

As with anything, producing high quality work takes time. It's not like standard offset printing where thousands of posters can be run off in a short period of time. The posters have to be printed one at a time, one colour at a time. And if by chance one of the posters is slightly misaligned when it's placed under the screen, then the finished product is screwed, so extra time has to be taken with each individual print to make sure it turns out perfect.

So do the math. 500 posters per show, 13 shows = 6500 hand made posters in total (that's right, hand made, not automatically produced by machine). Since you also have to factor in the time it takes to design a different poster for each city (or two posters for the cities with multiple shows) and you can begin to appreciate why the production runs are so low.

Heck, for all we know, Brad Klaussen is still printing all of his posters off himself (I'm pretty sure he mentioned that he did all his own printing for the last tour), and The Ames people aren't working out of a huge production facility either.

People have to keep in mind that these posters are Art, not just a bunch of mass produced crap.

nimsu8

sgossard3 wrote:

the "line" to get posters wasnt really a line at all at the vic... on your way out you just flash the ticket/wristband and they give you your poster... its not really a super elaborate process... even if a line forms itll move incredibly fast IMO... i dont get why anyone would prefer worrying about a poster throughout the whole show (limiting their crazy rockin out) rather than just getting it at the end of the night

the only reason that i would prefer to get it before is at some shows like msg, transportation is based on a train and it would suck to miss your train and have to wait an extra hour just because the line was a little long

slightofjeff

13PJ13 wrote:

Can someone clarify:
Were they taking the wristbands back (like, cutting them off) when you claimed your poster? And was it those cheap paper wristbands?

sounds like someone is working on a poster scam

Stephen Flow

zolstice wrote:

The people who ask "why do they make so few" obviously do not understand the screen printing process.

As with anything, producing high quality work takes time. It's not like standard offset printing where thousands of posters can be run off in a short period of time. The posters have to be printed one at a time, one colour at a time. And if by chance one of the posters is slightly misaligned when it's placed under the screen, then the finished product is screwed, so extra time has to be taken with each individual print to make sure it turns out perfect.

So do the math. 500 posters per show, 13 shows = 6500 hand made posters in total (that's right, hand made, not automatically produced by machine). Since you also have to factor in the time it takes to design a different poster for each city (or two posters for the cities with multiple shows) and you can begin to appreciate why the production runs are so low.

Heck, for all we know, Brad Klaussen is still printing all of his posters off himself (I'm pretty sure he mentioned that he did all his own printing for the last tour), and The Ames people aren't working out of a huge production facility either.

People have to keep in mind that these posters are Art, not just a bunch of mass produced crap.

Usually high scale screen printers have an automated machines doing their work... I know this because I interned at a screen printing shop outside of Manhattan when I was in college and learned a great deal about the business... we did do a few band posters there (not the design but the printing portion)... we also had drying machines that dry the ink very quickly...

You're fooling yourself if you think that Ames/Klausen are pulling down the inks themselves... and if they are pulling the ink then the systems they are using are semi-automatic. Yes it still takes time this way, but not nearly as long as manual would and also the posters would have huge registration issues (one or two colors being off center)... they are art, but they are mass produced...albeit in small quantities. I'm even willing to bet that the artists make the designs and the rest of the operation is handled by professional screen printers in house or outsourced.

eyesnoeyes

Stephen Flow wrote:

Usually high scale screen printers have an automated machines doing their work... I know this because I interned at a screen printing shop outside of Manhattan when I was in college and learned a great deal about the business... we did do a few band posters there (not the design but the printing portion)... we also had drying machines that dry the ink very quickly...

You're fooling yourself if you think that Ames/Klausen are pulling down the inks themselves... and if they are pulling the ink then the systems they are using are semi-automatic. Yes it still takes time this way, but not nearly as long as manual would and also the posters would have huge registration issues (one or two colors being off center)... they are art, but they are mass produced...albeit in small quantities. I'm even willing to bet that the artists make the designs and the rest of the operation is handled by professional screen printers in house or outsourced.

Ya, Ames uses Seribellum press most of the time and Klausen often uses D&L - so you're right. But the original poster's point still stands that these aren't like posters of Britney you see at the back of a CD store and I think some people think that's the case. They are 'art' and for that reason alone they are going to try to not absolutely flood the market - they do actually want these things to appreciate over time.

Sharon_Hearts_PJ

slightofjeff wrote:

sounds like someone is working on a poster scam

D'oh! It does sound that way, doesn't it?? I swear that's not my intent. I just like to be prepared for new things. I'm a total Type-A personality!

ECM

it was a quick process at the Vic....

give them a ticket to get a poster... takes a few seconds per person.... plus everyone doesn't show at the exact same time after a show....