Whats the end result of the Obama hatred? Can he win with all thats been said?

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  • fugawzifugawzi Posts: 879
    JaneNY wrote:
    Why would this be a question at this time, since no Muslims are running for president in 2008? I personally don't care what someone's religion is - I want someone who has the expertise to run the complicated country that the U.S. is at this time, and I think Obama is that person.

    Good point, no Muslims running for office from what we can tell. HOWEVER, religion is something to be considered when voting. Look at the last 8 years. Bush's foreign policy has been largely based on his faith. He has said it himself. I'm pretty sure that Bush even said God told him what to do, which wars were right to fight. Obama, nor McCain I don't think would be as extreme with religion as Bush has been. Sarah Palin, that's another story.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    prytoj wrote:
    So, it makes it hard...just sayin...and I think your heart should be more focused on the homefront.
    What the fuck..

    Who said my heart wasn't focused on the homefront?
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    What the fuck..

    Who said my heart wasn't focused on the homefront?

    to the person apologizing to the to the muslims for the ugly american...
    that would be me.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    prytoj wrote:
    to the person apologizing to the to the muslims for the ugly american...
    that would be me.
    Seriously, you don't know anything about me so you really need to be careful about making comments insinuating that i am not ''focused on the homefront.''
    Are you somehow trying to insinuate that i am not loyal enough to America?

    You like to make assumptions about people? I can do that too..

    I bet your from the South....
  • DixieNDixieN Posts: 351
    Firstly I think its been established the Obama IS NOT A MUSLIM! HE IS CHRISTIAN! So since there is no Muslim running for office your post is irrelevant.

    How many times does he or his supporters say that before you fucking people hear and GET it!

    Secondly...you make some serious allegations...where is your proof?? I don't see you siting any sources that say the mosques get funding from the Saudi's or that they ALL support a Jihad in some form.
    Sounds like you are believing some of the bullshit McCain is spewing and to you I say...get a mind of your own and do some research.

    How do you know the lawsuits are frivolous?? I think racism against Muslims and indeed other East Indian people is VERY prevalent (all you have to do is look at the so called random airport checks). I mean your post alone has some very racist overtones. (not saying you personally are racist).

    As a Catholic myself...need I remind people that Christianity wasn't always so rightious (sp) either. Anyone study the Crusades???

    Lets stick to the ISSUES here and leave race and religion out of the election. I know many Americans can't and won't...and thats what makes me sad, scared and angry.

    Truly, I don't understand people who think Obama is a Muslim. I wonder if they really do (which seriously raises issues regarding these people's sanity), or if they're so bent on making political hay they don't care if what they say is true or not...it's just a good rallying call for the bottom of the barrel element of John McCain's base. Either way, it's a sad commentary on our times.

    http://fightthesmears.com/articles/3/baracksfaith?source=sem-pm-fts-mm-search-us&gclid=CM695KmkoJYCFQEziQod1zuN7g

    I'm not the Pope, but I was raised in a household that had a Catholic in it. By some people's "reasoning," I guess I'm the first female Pope whether I want to own up to it or not.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    I make no bones about my dislike of obama and that i will not vote for him.

    However the stuff going around now seems so outrageous one has to wonder where it stops, and whats the end result?

    It seems from the Youtube interviews of Mccain supporters and just the whole "fox news" mentality is this: Obama is a muslim and a terrorist supporter. That he is a radical.

    To these people, thats a fact. No one can prove them wrong because they believe these are facts.

    Thats why I dont think Obama will win. There are thousands maybe millions of people who think obama is a muslim and a terrorist supporter. Millions more who are racist and will not vote for him, solely on the fact his skin tone is dark.

    I think also, if he does get elected, as I stated in previous threads and posts, sadly alot of people, will want him dead.

    If people are shouting "kill" "bomb" and "off with his head", and people are "scared" of a obama presidency, just think the mayhem that will ensue if he gets into the white house.

    As I said, I dont support obama, he isnt a candidate I like. That said he isnt a muslim, or terrorist lover.
    I'm almost on the other end of the spectrum. Almost. The difference of course is that I don't want John McCain dead.

    There will be riots if another republican is elected. They've fucked us over for 8 years now, put into 2 wars (that we know about), and have turned the economy into levels not seen since 1920, circa the great depression. They've shit on labor, destroyed unions, lowered (yes lowered) minimum wage, and have put very little effort into backing the epa, among taking away countless rights, and shredding the constitution.

    Having said that I am not partisan, and see very little difference between the dems and republicans.

    However, I will give Obama a chance, 4 years in the whitehouse. And he will be elected by the way, your intel seems to be a bit removed from reality. But after those 4 years, if nothing changes, you will see that I am not the only who will have given up on the American electoral system. And we will find a way to make ourselves be heard. try to silence the voiceless, after all this shit. Try.
  • ccRyderzzccRyderzz Posts: 163
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Isn't it awesome how we are portrayed to the rest of the world. People see all of these events in the 'news'' over and over again and they think that those peoples behaviour and thoughts are the 'norm'. No wonder the rest of the world laughs their asses off at us. Seriously.
    and Simon Carmiggelt journalist (The Slogan)
    1914 Alfred Drake [Capurro], Brooklyn NY, singer/actor (Kiss Me Kate)
    and Sarah Churchill London, actress (All Over Town, Royal Wedding)
    1915 Margarita J Aliger Russian poet (Zoja) [NS]
    and Roman Padlewski composer
    1916 Walt W Rostow economist (Politics & Stages of Growth)
    1917 Helmut Dantine Vienna Austria, actor (Shadow of the Cloak)
    and June Allyson Bronx, actress (Till the Clouds Roll By, Vegas)
    1919 Erik Elms"ter Sweden, 1st to compete in summer & winter Oly (1948)
    and Gabriel Dell Barbados, actor (Steve Allen Show)
    1920 Georg Leber German politician (SPD)
    1921 John A G Gere English art historian (Pre-Raphaelite painter)
    1922 Martha Stewart Bardwell Ky, singer/actress (Daisy Kenyon, Doll Face)
    and Reina Princeen Geerligs [Leentjes Vandendriesch], antifascist
    1926 Diana Lynn LA CA, actress (Annapolis Story, Easy Come Easy Go)
    and Ivan Jirko composer
    and Marcello Abbado composer
    1927 Al Martino Phila, singer (Here in My Heart)/actor (Godfather)
    and Ronald Laing British psychiatrist (anti-psychiatrist)
    1931 Desmond Tutu Anglican Archbishop of S Afr (Nobel Peace Prize 1982)
    1932 Joannes M G~sen Bishop of Roermond
    1933 Paul B Price Cataret NJ, actor (Busting Loose)
    1934 Imamu Amiri Baraka [Everett Leroi Jones], US, poet/writer
    and Ulrike Meinhof lead German Red Army
    and Willie Naulls NBA star (NY Knicks)
    and [Everett] LeRoi Jones [Amiri Baraka], US writer (Black Music)
    1935 Thomas M Keneally Australia, novelist (Blood Red Sister Rose)
    1936 G M Kolesnikov cosmonaut
    1938 Robert Drivas Chi, actor (Cool Hand Luke, Illustrated Man) [or 11/21]
    1939 Colin Cooper rocker
    1940 Bruce F Vento (Rep-D-Minnesota, 1977- )
    and Dino Valenti rocker
    and Richard H Stallings (Rep-D-ID, 1985- )
    1941 Martin Murray, London England, rocker (Honeycombs)
    and Tony Sylvester rocker (Main Ingredient)
    1943 Oliver L North US colonel (Irangate)
    1945 Kevin Godley Manchester England, rock vocalist (10cc)
    1949 Dave Hope rock bassist (Kansas)
    and Kieran Kane Queens NY, singer (O'Kanes-Daddies Need to Grow Up Too)
    1950 Maartje van Weegen [Walet], Dutch TV hostess
    1951 Carmen R "Tata" Vega US soul singer (Color Purple soundtrack)
    and John Cougar Mellencamp Seymour Indiana, rocker (Jack & Diane)
    1952 Ludmila Tourischeva USSR, gymnist (Olympic-gold-1972)
    1953 Christopher Norris NYC, actress (Summer of '42, Eat My Dust)
    and Tico Torres rock drummer (Bon Jovi-Always)
    1954 Victor Manuel Mar wrestler (AAA/NJPW, Black Cat)
    1955 Yo-Yo Ma Paris France, world famous Chinese cellist
    1956 James Van Patten Bkln NY, actor (Bo-Chisholms)
    and Julio Pezua jockey
    1957 Jayne Torvill England, ice skater (Torvill & Dean, Oly-gold-84)
    1958 Kim Morris San Diego Ca, playmate (Mar, 1986)
    1961 Judy Landers Phila, actress (Vega$, BJ & the Bear, Madame's Place)
    1964 Ann Curless singer (Expos,-What You Don't Know)
    and Sam Brown English singer/songwriter (Stop!)
    1965 Juul Ellerman soccer player (PSV, FC Twente)
    1968 Randy Bartz Roseville Minn, short track skater (Olympics-1994)
    and Toni Braxton singer (You Mean the World to Me)
    1974 Alexander Polinsky SF Calif, actor (Adam-Charles in Charge) Deaths
    Which Occured October 7:
    290 Sergius roman soldier/martyred saint, decapitated
    336 Marcus bishop of Rome (336), dies
    929 Charles III the Plain, King of France (893-929), dies
    1488 Andrea del Verrochio sculptor/painter/goldsmith, dies at about 52
    1571 Ali Pasha Turkish fleet commander, dies in battle
    1612 Menso Alting reformed vicar/theologist, dies at 70
    1639 John I Pontanus physicist/historian (Amsterdam), dies at 68
    1660 Paul Scarron French, stagewriter (Le Roman Comique), dies at 50
    1681 Nicolaas Heinsius philological/diplomat, dies at 61
    1766 Andre Cheron composer, dies at 71
    1777 Simon Fraser English general, dies in battle
    1780 Patrick Ferguson English major in SC, dies in battle
    1800 Gabriel slave revolt leader (Virginia), hanged
    1811 August R van Hekeren of Suideras orangist, dies at 68
    1849 Edgar Allen Poe poet (Raven), dies in Balt at 40
    1864 Alexander Gardiner US Union brig-general, dies in battle
    John Gregg US judge/Confederate brig-general, dies in battle at 36
    1887 George James Webb composer, dies at 84
    1890 John Hill Hewitt composer, dies at 89
    1902 Mascha [Willemina JH] Van de Weene dancer/ballerina, dies
    1915 Samuel Prowse Warren composer, dies at 74
    1918 C Hubert H Parry Engl musicologist/composer (Jerusalem), dies at 70
    Sir Charles Hubert Hastings Parry composer, dies at 70
    1924 Clemens Baeumker German historian (Christian Philosophy), dies
    1925 Hubert Platt Main composer, dies at 86
    1939 Harvey (William) Cushing US neurologist, dies at 70
    1951 Anton F Philips CEO (Philips), dies at 77
    1959 Mario Lanza opera singer, dies at 38 of a heart attack
    PM Kassem of Iraq assassinated
    1962 Mauritius Dekker [Boris Robazki], writer (Boots in Jail), dies at 66
    1963 Grace Darmond silent screen actress (Below the Surface), dies at 69
    Gustaf Gr?ndgens actor/director/theatre director (M), dies at 63
    1964 Eugen Varga Hungarian/Russian economist/politician, dies at 84
    1966 Johnny Kidd rocker (Johnny Kidd & Pirates), dies at 26 in a car crash
    Smiley Lewis [Overton Amos Lemons], rocker, dies at 46
    1967 Norman Angell (Lane) English journalist/pacifist (Nobel 1933), dies
    1969 Wim of Nuland [Willem C M"hlmann], priest/writer (Doorstep), dies
    1976 Nikolai Lopatnikoff composer, dies at 73
    1981 Wouter Paap composer, dies at 73
    1988 Billy Daniels singer, dies of cancer at 73
    1990 J Teengs Gerritsen resistance fighter, dies
    John "Cat" Thompson basketball hall of famer, dies at 84
    1991 Leo Durocher baseball coach/manager (Dodgers, Giants), dies at 86
    1992 Allan Bloom author (Closing of American Mind), dies at 62
    Ed Blackwell US jazz drummer (Quartet), dies
    1993 Agnes de Mille choreographer (Oklahoma!, Rodeo), dies at 88
    Cyril Cusack actor (Fahrenheit 451), dies of neuron disease at 82
    Kenneth Nelson US/English actor (Boys in the Band), dies at 63
    1994 Niels Kaj Jerne Danish immunologist (Nobel prize 1984), dies
    Paul Swift US actor (Egg Man in Pink Flamingo), dies of AIDS at 60
    Holidays Which Occur October 7:
    Fiji Deed of Cession (1874)
    German Dem Rep Foundation of German Democratic Republic (1949)
    Libya Evacuation Day Religious Observances on October 7:
    RC Sweden St Birgitta of Sweden, Swedish monastery founder
    RC Justina, martyr/patron of Padua/Venice
    RC Memorial of Our Lady of Rosary
    RC Pope Mark
    RC Wolfgang, bishop of Regensburg
    290 ORC SS Bacchus & Sergius, roman soldier/martyr
    700 Christian Commemoration of St Osith, Saxon virgin/martyr
    1787 Luth Commemoration of Henry M?hlenberg, missionary to America Things to
    Remember for October 7:
    Flowers-calendula, cosmos & hops Gem-opal & tourmaline
    Hispanic Heritage Month
    National Lupus Month-Eggtober-Computer Learning Month
    National Restaurant-Car Maintance Month-Rocktober-Octoberfess
    1 Day Harvest Moon Days (full moon closest to equinox)
    15 Days Astrological sign: Libra
    [Ancient Rome] Nonae October
    [Sweden] Birgitta name day Highlights in History Which Occur October 7:
    336 St Mark ends his reign as Catholic Pope
    1506 Pope Julius II & France occupy Bologna
    1520 1st public burning of books in Netherlands
    1571 Battle at Lepanto: Saint League destroys Turkish fleet
    and Turkish fleet defeated by Spanish & Italians in Battle of Lepanto
    1579 English royal marriage of queen Elizabeth I to duke of Anjou
    1637 Prince Frederik Henry occupies Breda
    1690 English attack Quebec under Louis de Buade
    1702 English/Dutch troops under Marlborough occupy Roermond
    1714 People riot due to beer tax
    1737 40 foot waves sink 20,000 small craft & kill 300,000 (Bengal, India)
    1763 Great-Britain puts firm boundaries on North American colonization
    1765 Stamp Act Congress convenes in NY
    1777 Americans beat Brits in 2nd Battle of Saratoga & Battle of Bemis Hts
    1780 British defeated by American militia near Kings Mountain, SC
    1816 1st double decked steamboat, Washington, arrives in New Orleans
  • ccRyderzzccRyderzz Posts: 163
    I make no bones about my dislike of obama and that i will not vote for him.

    However the stuff going around now seems so outrageous one has to wonder where it stops, and whats the end result?

    It seems from the Youtube interviews of Mccain supporters and just the whole "fox news" mentality is this: Obama is a muslim and a terrorist supporter. That he is a radical.

    To these people, thats a fact. No one can prove them wrong because they believe these are facts.

    Thats why I dont think Obama will win. There are thousands maybe millions of people who think obama is a muslim and a terrorist supporter. Millions more who are racist and will not vote for him, solely on the fact his skin tone is dark.

    I think also, if he does get elected, as I stated in previous threads and posts, sadly alot of people, will want him dead.

    If people are shouting "kill" "bomb" and "off with his head", and people are "scared" of a obama presidency, just think the mayhem that will ensue if he gets into the white house.

    As I said, I dont support obama, he isnt a candidate I like. That said he isnt a muslim, or terrorist lover.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    ccRyderzz wrote:
    and Simon Carmiggelt journalist (The Slogan)
    1914 Alfred Drake [Capurro], Brooklyn NY, singer/actor (Kiss Me Kate)
    and Sarah Churchill London, actress (All Over Town, Royal Wedding)
    1915 Margarita J Aliger Russian poet (Zoja) [NS]
    and Roman Padlewski composer
    1916 Walt W Rostow economist (Politics & Stages of Growth)
    1917 Helmut Dantine Vienna Austria, actor (Shadow of the Cloak)
    and June Allyson Bronx, actress (Till the Clouds Roll By, Vegas)
    1919 Erik Elms"ter Sweden, 1st to compete in summer & winter Oly (1948)
    and Gabriel Dell Barbados, actor (Steve Allen Show)
    1920 Georg Leber German politician (SPD)
    1921 John A G Gere English art historian (Pre-Raphaelite painter)
    1922 Martha Stewart Bardwell Ky, singer/actress (Daisy Kenyon, Doll Face)
    and Reina Princeen Geerligs [Leentjes Vandendriesch], antifascist
    1926 Diana Lynn LA CA, actress (Annapolis Story, Easy Come Easy Go)
    and Ivan Jirko composer
    and Marcello Abbado composer
    1927 Al Martino Phila, singer (Here in My Heart)/actor (Godfather)
    and Ronald Laing British psychiatrist (anti-psychiatrist)
    1931 Desmond Tutu Anglican Archbishop of S Afr (Nobel Peace Prize 1982)
    1932 Joannes M G~sen Bishop of Roermond
    1933 Paul B Price Cataret NJ, actor (Busting Loose)
    1934 Imamu Amiri Baraka [Everett Leroi Jones], US, poet/writer
    and Ulrike Meinhof lead German Red Army
    and Willie Naulls NBA star (NY Knicks)
    and [Everett] LeRoi Jones [Amiri Baraka], US writer (Black Music)
    1935 Thomas M Keneally Australia, novelist (Blood Red Sister Rose)
    1936 G M Kolesnikov cosmonaut
    1938 Robert Drivas Chi, actor (Cool Hand Luke, Illustrated Man) [or 11/21]
    1939 Colin Cooper rocker
    1940 Bruce F Vento (Rep-D-Minnesota, 1977- )
    and Dino Valenti rocker
    and Richard H Stallings (Rep-D-ID, 1985- )
    1941 Martin Murray, London England, rocker (Honeycombs)
    and Tony Sylvester rocker (Main Ingredient)
    1943 Oliver L North US colonel (Irangate)
    1945 Kevin Godley Manchester England, rock vocalist (10cc)
    1949 Dave Hope rock bassist (Kansas)
    and Kieran Kane Queens NY, singer (O'Kanes-Daddies Need to Grow Up Too)
    1950 Maartje van Weegen [Walet], Dutch TV hostess
    1951 Carmen R "Tata" Vega US soul singer (Color Purple soundtrack)
    and John Cougar Mellencamp Seymour Indiana, rocker (Jack & Diane)
    1952 Ludmila Tourischeva USSR, gymnist (Olympic-gold-1972)
    1953 Christopher Norris NYC, actress (Summer of '42, Eat My Dust)
    and Tico Torres rock drummer (Bon Jovi-Always)
    1954 Victor Manuel Mar wrestler (AAA/NJPW, Black Cat)
    1955 Yo-Yo Ma Paris France, world famous Chinese cellist
    1956 James Van Patten Bkln NY, actor (Bo-Chisholms)
    and Julio Pezua jockey
    1957 Jayne Torvill England, ice skater (Torvill & Dean, Oly-gold-84)
    1958 Kim Morris San Diego Ca, playmate (Mar, 1986)
    1961 Judy Landers Phila, actress (Vega$, BJ & the Bear, Madame's Place)
    1964 Ann Curless singer (Expos,-What You Don't Know)
    and Sam Brown English singer/songwriter (Stop!)
    1965 Juul Ellerman soccer player (PSV, FC Twente)
    1968 Randy Bartz Roseville Minn, short track skater (Olympics-1994)
    and Toni Braxton singer (You Mean the World to Me)
    1974 Alexander Polinsky SF Calif, actor (Adam-Charles in Charge) Deaths
    Which Occured October 7:
    290 Sergius roman soldier/martyred saint, decapitated
    336 Marcus bishop of Rome (336), dies
    929 Charles III the Plain, King of France (893-929), dies
    1488 Andrea del Verrochio sculptor/painter/goldsmith, dies at about 52
    1571 Ali Pasha Turkish fleet commander, dies in battle
    1612 Menso Alting reformed vicar/theologist, dies at 70
    1639 John I Pontanus physicist/historian (Amsterdam), dies at 68
    1660 Paul Scarron French, stagewriter (Le Roman Comique), dies at 50
    1681 Nicolaas Heinsius philological/diplomat, dies at 61
    1766 Andre Cheron composer, dies at 71
    1777 Simon Fraser English general, dies in battle
    1780 Patrick Ferguson English major in SC, dies in battle
    1800 Gabriel slave revolt leader (Virginia), hanged
    1811 August R van Hekeren of Suideras orangist, dies at 68
    1849 Edgar Allen Poe poet (Raven), dies in Balt at 40
    1864 Alexander Gardiner US Union brig-general, dies in battle
    John Gregg US judge/Confederate brig-general, dies in battle at 36
    1887 George James Webb composer, dies at 84
    1890 John Hill Hewitt composer, dies at 89
    1902 Mascha [Willemina JH] Van de Weene dancer/ballerina, dies
    1915 Samuel Prowse Warren composer, dies at 74
    1918 C Hubert H Parry Engl musicologist/composer (Jerusalem), dies at 70
    Sir Charles Hubert Hastings Parry composer, dies at 70
    1924 Clemens Baeumker German historian (Christian Philosophy), dies
    1925 Hubert Platt Main composer, dies at 86
    1939 Harvey (William) Cushing US neurologist, dies at 70
    1951 Anton F Philips CEO (Philips), dies at 77
    1959 Mario Lanza opera singer, dies at 38 of a heart attack
    PM Kassem of Iraq assassinated
    1962 Mauritius Dekker [Boris Robazki], writer (Boots in Jail), dies at 66
    1963 Grace Darmond silent screen actress (Below the Surface), dies at 69
    Gustaf Gr?ndgens actor/director/theatre director (M), dies at 63
    1964 Eugen Varga Hungarian/Russian economist/politician, dies at 84
    1966 Johnny Kidd rocker (Johnny Kidd & Pirates), dies at 26 in a car crash
    Smiley Lewis [Overton Amos Lemons], rocker, dies at 46
    1967 Norman Angell (Lane) English journalist/pacifist (Nobel 1933), dies
    1969 Wim of Nuland [Willem C M"hlmann], priest/writer (Doorstep), dies
    1976 Nikolai Lopatnikoff composer, dies at 73
    1981 Wouter Paap composer, dies at 73
    1988 Billy Daniels singer, dies of cancer at 73
    1990 J Teengs Gerritsen resistance fighter, dies
    John "Cat" Thompson basketball hall of famer, dies at 84
    1991 Leo Durocher baseball coach/manager (Dodgers, Giants), dies at 86
    1992 Allan Bloom author (Closing of American Mind), dies at 62
    Ed Blackwell US jazz drummer (Quartet), dies
    1993 Agnes de Mille choreographer (Oklahoma!, Rodeo), dies at 88
    Cyril Cusack actor (Fahrenheit 451), dies of neuron disease at 82
    Kenneth Nelson US/English actor (Boys in the Band), dies at 63
    1994 Niels Kaj Jerne Danish immunologist (Nobel prize 1984), dies
    Paul Swift US actor (Egg Man in Pink Flamingo), dies of AIDS at 60
    Holidays Which Occur October 7:
    Fiji Deed of Cession (1874)
    German Dem Rep Foundation of German Democratic Republic (1949)
    Libya Evacuation Day Religious Observances on October 7:
    RC Sweden St Birgitta of Sweden, Swedish monastery founder
    RC Justina, martyr/patron of Padua/Venice
    RC Memorial of Our Lady of Rosary
    RC Pope Mark
    RC Wolfgang, bishop of Regensburg
    290 ORC SS Bacchus & Sergius, roman soldier/martyr
    700 Christian Commemoration of St Osith, Saxon virgin/martyr
    1787 Luth Commemoration of Henry M?hlenberg, missionary to America Things to
    Remember for October 7:
    Flowers-calendula, cosmos & hops Gem-opal & tourmaline
    Hispanic Heritage Month
    National Lupus Month-Eggtober-Computer Learning Month
    National Restaurant-Car Maintance Month-Rocktober-Octoberfess
    1 Day Harvest Moon Days (full moon closest to equinox)
    15 Days Astrological sign: Libra
    [Ancient Rome] Nonae October
    [Sweden] Birgitta name day Highlights in History Which Occur October 7:
    336 St Mark ends his reign as Catholic Pope
    1506 Pope Julius II & France occupy Bologna
    1520 1st public burning of books in Netherlands
    1571 Battle at Lepanto: Saint League destroys Turkish fleet
    and Turkish fleet defeated by Spanish & Italians in Battle of Lepanto
    1579 English royal marriage of queen Elizabeth I to duke of Anjou
    1637 Prince Frederik Henry occupies Breda
    1690 English attack Quebec under Louis de Buade
    1702 English/Dutch troops under Marlborough occupy Roermond
    1714 People riot due to beer tax
    1737 40 foot waves sink 20,000 small craft & kill 300,000 (Bengal, India)
    1763 Great-Britain puts firm boundaries on North American colonization
    1765 Stamp Act Congress convenes in NY
    1777 Americans beat Brits in 2nd Battle of Saratoga & Battle of Bemis Hts
    1780 British defeated by American militia near Kings Mountain, SC
    1816 1st double decked steamboat, Washington, arrives in New Orleans
    Just replying cause you quoted me :confused:
    Ok, so the 7th of October is the thing in common. I get that.

    I'm lost. I want my phone call.
  • ccRyderzzccRyderzz Posts: 163
    I make no bones about my dislike of obama and that i will not vote for him.

    However the stuff going around now seems so outrageous one has to wonder where it stops, and whats the end result?

    It seems from the Youtube interviews of Mccain supporters and just the whole "fox news" mentality is this: Obama is a muslim and a terrorist supporter. That he is a radical.

    To these people, thats a fact. No one can prove them wrong because they believe these are facts.

    Thats why I dont think Obama will win. There are thousands maybe millions of people who think obama is a muslim and a terrorist supporter. Millions more who are racist and will not vote for him, solely on the fact his skin tone is dark.

    I think also, if he does get elected, as I stated in previous threads and posts, sadly alot of people, will want him dead.

    If people are shouting "kill" "bomb" and "off with his head", and people are "scared" of a obama presidency, just think the mayhem that will ensue if he gets into the white house.

    As I said, I dont support obama, he isnt a candidate I like. That said he isnt a muslim, or terrorist lover.
    Which individual human beings who are victims of military mind control
    research do we already know? Harold Blauer, the tennis pro who was
    killed. Frank Olson who was killed because he jumped through a window
    because he took LSD mixed with Cointro by Sidney Gottlieb,
    administrative Head of MKULTRA who I talked to on the telephone. When
    was the Olson family compensated? He died in 1955 or something. They
    were compensated by the President in 1977 I think it was. The reason the
    wife and surviving children figured that in fact this was not a simple
    suicide was they read the Rockefeller Report on CIA activities published
    in 1975 in which the case was described without him being named. So,
    they are reading the Rockefeller Report, and they realize their
    husband/father was actually killed by experimental LSD and they are
    compensated for 3/4 of a million dollars. One of the people who
    testified at the Committee hearings at the S enate in 1975 was a
    technician for Amadeo Morazzi who was the guy who w as the Head of
    Edgeware Arsenal where Paul Hawk got his LSD and mescaline from who was
    funded by the Air Force while he was at the University of Minnesota.
    His research assistant whose name is Mary Ray(sp) was given a dose of
    experimental LSD which resulted in an acute psychotic state for which
    she was admitted to hospital for which I have her medical records, and I
    am in contact with her lawyer and I am going to go up and get her story
    in more detail. She talks about a room that was involved in the LSD
    research called "The Leaf Room" so when you were on your LSD trip that
    was administered by Amadeo Morazzi you were taken into the Leaf Room
    which was a room where all surfaces of the room were totally covered
    with leaves. This is weird stuff. She also was connected into a bunch
    of other stuff. I am not going to go into all of it, because it is a
    little weird, but it is two hops from Mary Ray to Iran Contra. So she is
    a real person who exists. I know her lawyer. I talked to her lawyer on
    the phone. I am going to fly up there. I am going to interview her. I
    have her medical records. And the way this works is the stuff that is
    happening now is not going to be declassified for 20 or 30 years.
    Eventually we will have the names of people who were victims of
    experiments in the 70's and 80's and 90's. We already have the names for
    the 50's and 60's, not really into the 70's. We have the names of
    specific people who were victims of the Tuscagee Syphilis Study and the
    radiation experiments into the 70's. That's the way it goes. You are
    just pushing back that curtain and there's always this lag time because
    you are relying on the views of the Intelligence Community or public
    apathy ... "it was back in the Cold War" "it's different now" "we joined
    the boy scouts and we don't do that anymore". So there is always a
    disinformation strategy for wh y it happened a long time ago and we
    don't do it now and we are very regretful and we are so regretful that
    we in fact agree to compensate these victims. In Oregon there was a
    prison where men were paid to be subjects to participate in radiation
    experiments. Their testicles had been irradiated so they would get paid
    a certain fee to participate in the radiation of their testicles.
    Special arrangements were made so Catholics couldn't participate in the
    study because they couldn't use birth control so they might give birth
    to genetically mutated children ... so it had to be only non-Catholic
    participants. There was an extra fee, it was a little bit fatter, if you
    would agree to testicle biopsy to see if the radiation was dropping the
    sperm count. When 9 of these people pressed their case to the State
    Legislature in Oregon in either the late 70's or early 80's, in its
    magnanimity, the Legislature agreed to compensate them for a total of
    $3000 for all nine subjects. So this is the way it goes in trying to
    document this stuff and trying to make it public and identify the
    specific individuals. IT'S A BIG SLOW JOB. And when you make Freedom of
    Information requests it's like interacting with any Federal Bureaucracy.

    <... cont'd>
  • ccRyderzzccRyderzz Posts: 163
    A Dead Statesman (1924)

    I could not dig; I dare not rob;
    Therefore I lied to please the mob.
    Now all my lies are proved untrue
    And I must face the men I slew.
    What tale shall serve me here among
    Mine young and defrauded youngJackie Speier
    Member of Congress
    Mailing Address:
    P.O. Box 112
    Burlingame, CA 94010
    (650) 347-4370Randomized, controlled, double-blind, multicenter comparison of the
    cognitive effects of ziprasidone versus olanzapine in acutely ill inpatients
    with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder
    Journal Psychopharmacology
    Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
    ISSN 0033-3158 (Print) 1432-2072 (Online)
    Issue Volume 172, Number 3 / March, 2004
    Category Original Investigation
    DOI 10.1007/s00213-003-1652-2
    Pages 324-332
    Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
    SpringerLink Date Thursday, February 19, 2004
    The writ of habeas corpus is one of what are called the "extraordinary,"
    "common law," or "prerogative writs," which were historically issued by the
    courts in the name of the monarch to control inferior courts and public
    authorities within the kingdom. The most common of the other such
    prerogative writs are quo warranto, prohibito, mandamus, procedendo, and
    certiorari. When the original 13 American Colonies declared independence and
    became a constitutional republic in which the people are the sovereign, any
    person, in the name of the people, acquired authority to initiate such
    writs.

    The due process for such petitions is not simply civil or criminal, because
    they incorporate the presumption of nonauthority. The official who is the
    respondent has the burden to prove his authority to do or not do something.
    Failing this, the court must decide for the petitioner, who may be any
    person, not just an interested party. This differs from a motion in a civil
    process in which the movant must have standing, and bears the burden of
    proof.
  • ccRyderzzccRyderzz Posts: 163
    The writ of habeas corpus is one of what are called the "extraordinary,"
    "common law," or "prerogative writs," which were historically issued by the
    courts in the name of the monarch to control inferior courts and public
    authorities within the kingdom. The most common of the other such
    prerogative writs are quo warranto, prohibito, mandamus, procedendo, and
    certiorari. When the original 13 American Colonies declared independence and
    became a constitutional republic in which the people are the sovereign, any
    person, in the name of the people, acquired authority to initiate such
    writs.

    The due process for such petitions is not simply civil or criminal, because
    they incorporate the presumption of nonauthority. The official who is the
    respondent has the burden to prove his authority to do or not do something.
    Failing this, the court must decide for the petitioner, who may be any
    person, not just an interested party. This differs from a motion in a civil
    process in which the movant must have standing, and bears the burden of
    proof.
    Randomized, controlled, double-blind, multicenter comparison of the
    cognitive effects of ziprasidone versus olanzapine in acutely ill inpatients
    with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder
    Journal Psychopharmacology
    Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
    ISSN 0033-3158 (Print) 1432-2072 (Online)
    Issue Volume 172, Number 3 / March, 2004
    Category Original Investigation
    DOI 10.1007/s00213-003-1652-2
    Pages 324-332
    Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
    SpringerLink Date Thursday, February 19, 2004
    The 1960's saw the loss of the Montpellier Pavilion and we can now see with
    hindsight what a blow this was for Cheltenham Table Tennis. In the 1960's we
    lost several of our top players and the advent of the sponge bat. Names of
    successful players that come to mind are Martin White, Tony Smith, Johnny
    Mower (who long reigned as Veterans champion) John Marshall, Les Gresswell
    (recently appointed as E.T.T.A. coach), "Chalky" White and Derek Grant.

    This brings me up to the present time (1973) with the prospects for the
    future looking brighter than for some years. Players such as David Harvey,
    Bob Thornton, Malcolm Green and Peter Slack should show that the fact that
    both the men's and the Junior teams, who won their divisions of the Midland
    league last season, was no flash in the pan.

    I am afraid that I have just scratched the surface in going over these 50
    years. I have had to omit many personalities and many events, but I trust
    that these few words have illustrated what great progress has been made from
    small beginnings. But one must remember that the players who do not make the
    headlines, and the teams who have not won honours are the backbone of our
    Association. Finally we must not forget the many officials who, over the
    years, have given so freely of their time. All have played a part in the
    progress we have achieved over these 50 years.

    We are extremely grateful to Ron for providing such an insight to our game
    in Cheltenham during those formative years. (Stan Johnstone commenting).
    Table Tennis or Ping Pong, as it was first known and played in the 19th
    century, never really appeared in its present form until an Englishman,
    James Gibb, a prominent athlete, while visiting the USA in 1900 brought back
    some coloured plastic balls which he had noticed were children's playthings.
    It must have occurred to him that these would be better to use for the new
    Parlour game of "Ping Pong" than a child's rubber ball which had been mainly
    used up to that date?

    Gerald Gurney's book 'Table Tennis - The Early Years', which is perhaps the
    best authority on how the game developed, states that celluloid balls were
    first introduced about 1900, and it would seem that, ever since, the game
    has been attractive to countless generations of youngsters and parents who
    always sought to control that bouncing ball. Yet for something like 20
    years the game remained in the doldrums and one must ask why this should be
    so? Ron gives us many of the answers because we may say with some conviction
    that it must have been played with a great deal of interest in Cheltenham
    prior to 1923, as when a National tournament was organised by the Daily
    Mirror in that year there were more than 30,000 entrants across the UK. Wow!

    Yet this must have been only the tip of the iceberg as these are only the
    one's who fancied their chances.

    Ron tells us that the Cheltenham Ping Pong Association was formed in January
    1923 and this fits in with our scant knowledge that the above tournament was
    played in 40 areas, from February to May 1923, the finals being played in
    London.

    On the question of rules we may say that the (English) T.T.A. had
    formulated some rules largely due to the efforts of Ivor Montagu, son of
    Lord and Lady Swaythling He also changed the name from the Ping Pong
    Association to the Table Tennis Association, but it was not until 1926 that
    the I.T.T.F. got into the act. They currently represent 186 Affiliated
    Associations.

    It was interesting to read from those early days that the results of matches
    depended on the total number of points scored by a team.

    With reference to the old venue of Montpellier Pavilion which served
    Cheltenham so well in the past! Venue's have always been a problem over the
    years to our C.T.T.A. Committees and Peter Cruwys must take much of the
    credit for linking us with our present magnificent venue at the Cheltenham
    College. This has meant having to adapt our playing habits to our new
    circumstances, where so many teams play their matches at the same venue, but
    there is nothing in the rules that prevents any team from having its own
    venue providing the conditions are suitable.



    How Table Tennis Began

    Table tennis was invented in England at the end of the 19 th century as a
    parlour game based on lawn tennis. The earliest bats were made from
    parchment stretched on a
    frame - the distinctive sound made by a ball hitting these hollow drums
    inspired the name 'ping pong', but early versions of the game were also
    marketed as 'Gossima' and
    READ HISTORY ASK YOURSELF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE 1960's CIA CHINA? FRANCE WAS TAKEN FOR A RIDE
  • blondieblue227blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    Obama’s dad is/was a Muslim, right? People took that and twisted it to their advantage and suddenly Obama’s Muslim.

    And even if he is 100% Muslim, the Muslims that attacked us were extremist, so I wouldn’t see what the big deal would be. Every group has extremists that could ruin it for the whole group.

    I think USA is willing to elect an African American as our leader. But it will only take one extremist to assassinate him.
    *~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*

  • when Obama wins the election it will be 2 months before he takes office....that will give America some time to recover from the negative campaigns....

    Throw in Christmas and maybe some economic recovery and it will be all ok
    the Minions
  • VOLITIONVOLITION Posts: 328
    Man you Americans seriously need to get you shit together.
    Your economy is a fucking disaster, i would think this should be the focus of the Republicans platform. BUT oh no all we hear about about is accusations that Obama is a Muslim and therefore he must be Terrorist.
    I am embarrassed to be your neighbour.
    "it feels like it's the end of the world and we all got a good seat. you know -- step right up, get your tickets...here we go."

    - EV
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Everybody knows that God loves America, and if a non-christian is elected president, Americans might have to suffer God's wrath.
  • VOLITIONVOLITION Posts: 328
    "it feels like it's the end of the world and we all got a good seat. you know -- step right up, get your tickets...here we go."

    - EV
  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    VOLITION wrote:
    Man you Americans seriously need to get you shit together.
    Your economy is a fucking disaster, i would think this should be the focus of the Republicans platform. BUT oh no all we hear about about is accusations that Obama is a Muslim and therefore he must be Terrorist.
    I am embarrassed to be your neighbour.



    You're just angry because we take away all your pro teams......

    But all joking aside, this petty BS is part of any election no matter where you go. People in general are easy to sway in the masses, no political system is free from this BS.
    BRING BACK THE WHALE
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    when Obama wins the election it will be 2 months before he takes office....that will give America some time to recover from the negative campaigns....

    Throw in Christmas and maybe some economic recovery and it will be all ok

    If he wins there will be a black muslim terrorist in the white house. I don't think the idiots who actually believe he's muslim or a terrorist will change their minds. If they had anything resembling a properly functioning brain they would have realised Obama is not muslim, nor a terrorist long ago.

    To my mind, these opinions are not based on negative campaigns and false facts, these opinions are based on hatred, ignorance, racism, fear... and facts and truth can do little to sway them into change their minds.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    VOLITION wrote:

    I love the "Hussein" part. It's like it's a nickname they gave to him. It's his real name people, there's no need to put quotation marks around it.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I make no bones about my dislike of obama and that i will not vote for him.

    However the stuff going around now seems so outrageous one has to wonder where it stops, and whats the end result?

    It seems from the Youtube interviews of Mccain supporters and just the whole "fox news" mentality is this: Obama is a muslim and a terrorist supporter. That he is a radical.

    To these people, thats a fact. No one can prove them wrong because they believe these are facts.

    Thats why I dont think Obama will win. There are thousands maybe millions of people who think obama is a muslim and a terrorist supporter. Millions more who are racist and will not vote for him, solely on the fact his skin tone is dark.

    I think also, if he does get elected, as I stated in previous threads and posts, sadly alot of people, will want him dead.

    If people are shouting "kill" "bomb" and "off with his head", and people are "scared" of a obama presidency, just think the mayhem that will ensue if he gets into the white house.

    As I said, I dont support obama, he isnt a candidate I like. That said he isnt a muslim, or terrorist lover.

    I like you am not an Obama supporter but I see it a bit differently. All those people foaming at the mouthes rabid like where never going to vote for Obama. They are firmly entrenched in the Republican base. Those images of people yelling terrorists and kill him will do little in swaying undecided voters. If anything it will scare these voters away. I don't blame McCain for the words and actions of his followers but he needs to get a handle on it because it could end up hurt his chances. His base is already shored up and he needs to focus on the undecided voter. He need to go out there and convince these voters that he is the man for the job. he needs to instill confidence in the people, something that Obama hasn't done either. He also needs to tone down Palin's rhetoric as well. This election is not going to be won by mudslinging. The economy and the markets are too big of an issue and McCain, if he wants to win, needs to tell the Rovians in his campaign to step aside and let him be the John McCain we saw in 2000.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • blondieblue227blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    Collin wrote:
    To my mind, these opinions are not based on negative campaigns and false facts, these opinions are based on hatred, ignorance, racism, fear... and facts and truth can do little to sway them into change their minds.

    i agree.
    my fear is that the sway voters won't research and see the facts. they will vote on the BS mudslinging.
    *~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*

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