Did McCain know beforehand of Bristol being pregnant?
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Surely he had to have known right?
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so much for family values and morals....
So if she wasn't pregnant she wouldn't be marrying this guy right. Why do I get this feeling in a month she may somehow lose this baby and this getting married thing will be all gone.
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and the dems get a pass because they don't even pretend to have any?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
yes, she is pregnant now. there wer rumors that the Downs Syndrome baby was actually hers, but that seems impossible now. unless her and her eskimo boyfriend got it on in the hospital/igloo bed in which she gave birth
Unless they're lying about how far along she is...
HAHA, you think Obama doesn't? They ALL do.
Depends on whether you consider sex education an issue. There is a difference between exploiting the life of a minor (not in play) and discussing the politics of a vice presidential candidate (very in play). Here is a woman who preaches abstinence only as an official policy. A policy that is a proven failure, as confirmed by even her own daughter, which is anything but a coincidence from what I can gather. To me, that is not a non-issue.
McCain doesn't even know about the existence of color TV.
So you don't care that someone else is pulling his strings because he knows about it?
Are you saying her daughter is a slut? Because it sure sounds like that is what you are saying.
Excuse me? That's your response? Wow. Not going to take the bait from the far right.
No, I am saying abstinence only (obviously) does not work.
Right. Let me spell it out to whoever doesn't follow me. I thought this was pretty obvious, but here goes.
Abstinence means not having sex. The policy doesn't work. The reason it doesn't work is the policy doesn't stop people, even minors, from having sex. Palin's daughter, a minor, is pregnant. Using deductive reasoning, I am going to reach a conclusion. She had sex.
To sum it all up, Palin advocates a policy that doesn't work, as is apparent from her own daughter.
Note that I made no mention of "slut." Palin's daughter is a human being. Human beings have sexual drives. Throwing that word out there in this discussion boggles my mind.
This question illustrates the whole problem. Why do women/teenagers/people have to be either virgins or sluts? This is the abstinence-only way of thinking, that leaves no room for good people to behave as sexual beings outside the confines of marriage or without the purpose of procreation. Palin's daughter is not a slut and I don't believe anyone has said she is. She is a normal 17-year-old girl who, in reality (that little bit of life that seems to be left out of this whole abstinence-only agenda), has sex and needs to be educated about it and have access to birth control.
I tend to agree with this.
My question is this: Isn't this what they are already teaching in public schools? It's been a while since sex ed class for me, admittedly. But I remember a health teacher giving us information on various forms of contraceptives, as well as abstinence.
If you are suggesting that the school nurse should hand out "the pill" to any girl who asks for it, I'm not sure I agree. I think, for children under 18, this should be up to the parents to decide. I'd want to know what my daughter was on, or not on. I'd consider anything less an invasion of my family's privacy.
As for the line of thinking of "well, they're just going to do it anyway" ... well, you're right *some* teenagers are going to have sex anyway. But there are things you can do to lessen the chances they will succumb to temptation. You can teach them the value of their virginity, and the value -- physically, emotionally, and spiritually -- of waiting until the time is right. That's how I was raised, and I was surrounded by likeminded people, so it was easier to avoid temptations until I was well into college ... and not a child anymore.
for the least they could possibly do
Take your condescending talk and stick it up your ass.
I asked you because it looked like you were implying that you had heard she had issues with this. There are other rumors going around that she was actually the mother to the child with DS, and your statement looked like another of those said rumors.
Is that spelled out for you?
Depends on where you are. Many places have begun incorporating sex education regarding birth controls and condoms into their lessons but not everywhere. However, many places, including places you wouldn't expect, mention condoms but strongly stress abstinence to the point that it turns girls off of asking questions about condom use, birth control, etc. They feel stigmatized due to it. That's not okay.
If pro-life advocates really wanted to help, they'd advocate for extensive condom education and condom availability, in addition to available information about birth control, etc. Someone put it very well before; no matter how many people stress abstinence only, it does not work. It simply does not work. How many times do we have to go through this before the other side will admit the facts? And you know what? That's okay. I don't want teenage girls to be having sex before they reach a mature age, but I'm not too naive to stick my fingers in my ears and pretend it doesn't happen. It doesn't make them sluts. It makes them human. Human beings are attracted to other human beings and want to act on that attraction. It happens. Why pretend that it doesn't? If we stressed sex education that put the focus on ways to avoid unwanted pregnancies, if we taught THAT in our schools, do you realize how many abortions we could avoid? How could pro-life people be against this notion? It's inherently hypocritical.
I feel really bad for Bristol; she's being turned into a political football on both the left and right. I do wish her parents had thought this through before committing to the campaign; it doesn't take an idiot to understand that this kind of coverage, scrutiny and controversy would be coming down the line.
I'm kinda suprised they didn't go the immaculate conception route.....I mean...that would then have been a Miracle making McCain a fersher lock in.
Look back at my posts and tell me if I was condescending. I pointed out that abstinence is a failed policy, and that failure is perfectly illustrated by Palin's own daughter. You're the one who started talking about whether a 17-year-old would be considered a "slut" for being a human being and engaging in sexual intercourse. If you want to talk about the issues, I am all ears. But as soon as you threw out that loose cannon, I had to respond.
I'm not going to respond to your little attack. Stick with the issues and refrain from the junior high stuff.
Sadly, the face of sex ed in public schools has changed dramatically since you and I were in school. Although there is NO federal funding dedicated to comprehensive sex education (which provides information about contraception as well as abstinence), the Bush administration has dramatically increased funding for abstinence-only sex ed. States & programs receiving this funding (which many rely on) are now forbidden by federal statute from teaching anything about contraception, including condoms, except to emphasize their failure rates.
There is much more that is disturbing about this subject - including how these programs have been proven uneffective, how it is required that they are taught to individuals aged 12-29, how they teach that sex outside of marriage is deviant from the social norm and children born out of wedlock are harmful to society, etc. - but I won't bore you with details unless you're interested.
No, I wasn't suggesting that the school nurse should hand out the pill or condoms - but I actually do believe they should. I understand your feelings about being able to decide whether or not your daughter is on birth control. I mean, it is your right/obligation as a parent to protect her, right? But I agree with the major medical organizations (American Academy of Family Physicians, American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists, Society for Adolescent Medicine, and American Public Health Association) who believe "The potential health risks to adolescents if they are unable to obtain reproductive health services are so compelling that legal barriers and deference to parental involvement should not stand in the way of needed health care for patients who request confidentiality."
Additionally, not only does federal regulation require that anyone receiving federal Title X family planning funds provide confidential family planning services to minors, half of the states have laws specifically allowing minors to consent to contraceptive services.
I agree that teaching young people the value of their virginity is great & valuable - and it's what the abstinence-only sex ed (which was founded in Texas) is all about - but I think they MUST be taught about contraception as well, especially considering that more than *some* teenagers have sex anyway. The CDC reports that 63% of high school seniors have had sex. (I don't know whether they asked them at the beginning or the end of their senior year.
Religious people are more close-minded and judgmental than the liberal hippies who judge you for taking a shower on a daily basis and driving a car.
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If it were my daughter, I wouldn't have made any kind of statement yet either.
Those stupid rumors are what drove the statement coming out. Responsible journalism? Oxymoron.