Charles Manson

gue_barium

bootlegger10 wrote:

I don't know that it is a truth. I can think of plenty of people that I know whose parents loved them, but for whatever reason they took a wrong path. Maybe I don't understand the theory, but it comes down to personal responsibility and choices, and whether you respond to those who love you or choose to follow the wrong path for selfish reasons (which are inherent in everyone regardless of how much love they have).

I think it's safe as a philosophical truth.

WindNoSail

gue_barium wrote:

I think it's safe as a philosophical truth.

Really, this is a dumb discussion. Would you give the same pass to David Koresh, Jim Jones, or any other person who controls his sheep, and asks them to commit crime in his beliefs???

How bout Osama, Abu Nidel, Hitler, the killers in Darfur, etc, etc.

"I love my followers, and they love me, we are one big family"...but kill the JEWS!!! KILL THE CHRISTIANS ya, ya, kill them!! Have sex with the children, burn the witches!!! Whohoo!

see my point?

gue_barium

WindNoSail wrote:

Really, this is a dumb discussion. Would you give the same pass to David Koresh, Jim Jones, or any other person who controls his sheep, and asks them to commit crime in his beliefs???

How bout Osama, Abu Nidel, Hitler, the killers in Darfur, etc, etc.

"I love my followers, and they love me, we are one big family"...but kill the JEWS!!! KILL THE CHRISTIANS ya, ya, kill them!! Have sex with the children, burn the witches!!! Whohoo!

see my point?

No. You're not quoting actual quotes.

However, I think you would make a good anarchist.

denverfan

Were you praying for Tookie Williams to be spared as well? How about Mummia? Forget the witness accounts, forget these people killed, or consipired to kill..it's ok, lets let them all go! Hey after tonight, and the shift of power, it may be in the cards

musicismylife78

I did support Tookie and continue to support Mumia. I support the West Memphis Three.
I hope with the switch of power that these people are set free, but I have doubts. Remember Clinton had the opportunity and mulled possibly freeing Leonard peltier but didnt.

Byrnzie

WindNoSail wrote:

This is rare for me, I dont' want to get banned....but this is personal

Cheguevara6

Your anarchist statement show such disease in your spirit I don't know where to begin, but by saying FUCK YOU and your little sick thoughts and all your sick friends and professors and book store clerks that agree with you.....not because I don't like creative thought, but because you are poisoned in your hearts and your spirits. WTF, you might as well have blood on your hands because you excuse murder, glamorize it, and make it excusable in the name of the earth, and make sick minds worthy of your worship. WTf?

I am not making this up....I grew up with Glenn, his mom is from El Paso, she was best friends in HS with Sharon Tate. His mom was pregnant with Glenn when Sharon was pregnant, and was murdered. She suffered, it is horrifiying what happened to her best friend, and I read the letters from LA.

They cut the baby out of her....you sick fuck. Cut the baby out of her body, out of her womb. You sick fuck. How could you excuse the hate and sickness and then attribute beauty to it, or intellegence. But you have, because you are for anarchy, not wisdom.

Sorry man, but you barked up the wrong tree by trying to make Manson a good guy...is this where you have to go to support your beliefs??? You need to change your path my friend.

The fact is: Charles Manson didn't murder anyone. And if you believe Vincent Bugliosi's fantastical tale of mind-control and devil worship e.t.c, then I think that it's you that needs to do some serious thinking, not Cheguevara6.

Byrnzie

Anyone who knows nothing about Charles Manson - and I'm not pretending to be any kind of expert - read 'Manson in his own words' if you find a copy, and then read Bugliosi's book, and compare the two. In all honesty, I was more disturbed by the acknowledged lies, and corruption of the Prosecutor Bugliosi's book than by Mansons. The trial was a complete farce and a miscarriage of justice.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

free charlie!!!!!!!

and make him secretary of defense.........

ThumbingMyWay32

How the hell did a post about Manson turn into a platform about the Iraq war?

trappedinmyradio

this is truly ridiculous

norm

Anyone who believes that Charlie believed the shit he was saying should be in his cell with him. Spend a month in "Camp Charlie" and then tell me he was advocating social change.

This is the the most fucked up thread ever. I'm expecting deletion soon.

ThumbingMyWay32

cutback wrote:

Anyone who believes that Charlie believed the shit he was saying should be in his cell with him. Spend a month in "Camp Charlie" and then tell me he was advocating social change.

This is the the most fucked up thread ever. I'm expecting deletion soon.

Are you suggesting that "Charlie" should be walking among us?

Ahnimus

I'm on Charlie's side, always have been. I understand Charlie just like thousands of other people.

Charlie said something like "You blame me for corrupting your youth, then why do they keep visiting me in jail?"

To this day, people that have never met him, that learn about him and the truth about Manson and the family go to visit Manson in his cell and ask him for guidance. That is not his fault. The family was the same thing.

True, he never killed anyone.

Manson is a product of society and his environment, upbringing. You just have to know that his mother was a crack whore, his dad didn't exist and he was living in a garbage bin by the age of 12. Choice?

Though, I don't think he wants to be freed. He told them before that he didn't want to be released, that he understood life in prison, it was home to him. After they released him, the killings started. If they had listened to him from the start it wouldn't have happened.

He's a good example of a person with a perfectly normal brain gone wrong because of our soceity and war.

He was buddies with the Beach Boys too. I think.

enharmonic

Charles Manson is batshit crazy, and though he probably shouldn't be in a traditional criminal population, he should surely be locked away for the rest of his life.

ThumbingMyWay32

I believe we should just try to understand Charlie better.

enharmonic

gue_barium wrote:

It serves no purpose.

The innocence of Charlie Manson lies in the belief he espoused on his followers which was that if you are loved, you can do no wrong. It is a truth.

Somewhere, somebody loves Saddam Hussein. Did he do wrong?

Ahnimus

Hah aman, it's funny.

All you people saying he is crazy, you don't even know Charles Manson.

enharmonic

Ahnimus wrote:

Hah aman, it's funny.

All you people saying he is crazy, you don't even know Charles Manson.

Is he your daddy or something? I've read several books on Manson. I've watched his interviews. The guy is not playing with a full deck.

Ahnimus

enharmonic wrote:

Is he your daddy or something? I've read several books on Manson. I've watched his interviews. The guy is not playing with a full deck.

He's not playing with a post-graduate education if that's what you mean. He is playing with an education he got on the street. He can't communicate the same as you or I. I imagine that would be really frustrating.

Manson didn't have two parents, he didn't have one parent or even a guardian. He was just him, learning on his own the raw reality of society. That is what he knows.

Ahnimus

"When you look down on me, you see a fool.
When you look up at me, you see your Lord.
When you look right at me, you see yourself."
-Charles Manson.

"Society is always looking for a scapegoat for all it's problems. Well, here I am."
-Charles Manson