Anyone who believes that Charlie believed the shit he was saying should be in his cell with him. Spend a month in "Camp Charlie" and then tell me he was advocating social change.
This is the the most fucked up thread ever. I'm expecting deletion soon.
Anyone who believes that Charlie believed the shit he was saying should be in his cell with him. Spend a month in "Camp Charlie" and then tell me he was advocating social change.
This is the the most fucked up thread ever. I'm expecting deletion soon.
Are you suggesting that "Charlie" should be walking among us?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
I'm on Charlie's side, always have been. I understand Charlie just like thousands of other people.
Charlie said something like "You blame me for corrupting your youth, then why do they keep visiting me in jail?"
To this day, people that have never met him, that learn about him and the truth about Manson and the family go to visit Manson in his cell and ask him for guidance. That is not his fault. The family was the same thing.
True, he never killed anyone.
Manson is a product of society and his environment, upbringing. You just have to know that his mother was a crack whore, his dad didn't exist and he was living in a garbage bin by the age of 12. Choice?
Though, I don't think he wants to be freed. He told them before that he didn't want to be released, that he understood life in prison, it was home to him. After they released him, the killings started. If they had listened to him from the start it wouldn't have happened.
He's a good example of a person with a perfectly normal brain gone wrong because of our soceity and war.
He was buddies with the Beach Boys too. I think.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Charles Manson is batshit crazy, and though he probably shouldn't be in a traditional criminal population, he should surely be locked away for the rest of his life.
All you people saying he is crazy, you don't even know Charles Manson.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Is he your daddy or something? I've read several books on Manson. I've watched his interviews. The guy is not playing with a full deck.
He's not playing with a post-graduate education if that's what you mean. He is playing with an education he got on the street. He can't communicate the same as you or I. I imagine that would be really frustrating.
Manson didn't have two parents, he didn't have one parent or even a guardian. He was just him, learning on his own the raw reality of society. That is what he knows.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"When you look down on me, you see a fool.
When you look up at me, you see your Lord.
When you look right at me, you see yourself."
-Charles Manson.
"Society is always looking for a scapegoat for all it's problems. Well, here I am."
-Charles Manson
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
He's not playing with a post-graduate education if that's what you mean. He is playing with an education he got on the street. He can't communicate the same as you or I. I imagine that would be really frustrating.
Manson didn't have two parents, he didn't have one parent or even a guardian. He was just him, learning on his own the raw reality of society. That is what he knows.
So we should turn him loose...in an America that has 100 times the lemmings it had when he and his cult carried out their premeditated murders? Do you know how many people a guy like Manson could influence if given the chance? Lets start with all of the fucked up scenester kids who think it's cool to dig Charles Manson, and work from there to the legitimate sociopaths who would jump at the opportunity to be associated with him.
He's not playing with a post-graduate education if that's what you mean. He is playing with an education he got on the street. He can't communicate the same as you or I. I imagine that would be really frustrating.
Manson didn't have two parents, he didn't have one parent or even a guardian. He was just him, learning on his own the raw reality of society. That is what he knows.
Correct. It always amused me that convicts were taken pity upon by being "guily by reason of insanity."
Te me, that seemed to be all the more reason to have them locked away.
And..... If Charlie isn't insane as you suggest. Then what is the argument?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
So we should turn him loose...in an America that has 100 times the lemmings it had when he and his cult carried out their premeditated murders? Do you know how many people a guy like Manson could influence if given the chance? Lets start with all of the fucked up scenester kids who think it's cool to dig Charles Manson, and work from there to the legitimate sociopaths who would jump at the opportunity to be associated with him.
No, he doesn't want to be released, he wants the bastards that start wars to be sitting in his place.
Releasing Manson would bring 500 to 1000 dead. Seriously, he doesn't want out, but he should never have been there to begin with.
He and his band didn't kill anyone. The Family did the killings, not Manson.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"When you look down on me, you see a fool.
When you look up at me, you see your Lord.
When you look right at me, you see yourself."
-Charles Manson.
"Society is always looking for a scapegoat for all it's problems. Well, here I am."
-Charles Manson
I killed nine pigs, I'll kill nine more - charles
I'm not crazy, society is crazy - charles
HOB 10.05.2005, E Rutherford 06.03.2006, The Gorge 07.22.2006, Lolla 08.05.2007, West Palm 06.11.2008, Tampa 06.12.2008, Columbia 06.16.2008, EV Memphis 06.20.2009, New Orleans 05.01.2010, Kansas City 05.03.2010
Correct. It always amused me that convicts were taken pity upon by being "guily by reason of insanity."
Te me, that seemed to be all the more reason to have them locked away.
And..... If Charlie isn't insane as you suggest. Then what is the argument?
Look, Charlie is an example, we should learn from him.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm on Charlie's side, always have been. I understand Charlie just like thousands of other people.
Charlie said something like "You blame me for corrupting your youth, then why do they keep visiting me in jail?"
To this day, people that have never met him, that learn about him and the truth about Manson and the family go to visit Manson in his cell and ask him for guidance. That is not his fault. The family was the same thing.
True, he never killed anyone.
Manson is a product of society and his environment, upbringing. You just have to know that his mother was a crack whore, his dad didn't exist and he was living in a garbage bin by the age of 12. Choice?
Though, I don't think he wants to be freed. He told them before that he didn't want to be released, that he understood life in prison, it was home to him. After they released him, the killings started. If they had listened to him from the start it wouldn't have happened.
He's a good example of a person with a perfectly normal brain gone wrong because of our soceity and war.
He was buddies with the Beach Boys too. I think.
Now that I have read your statement, I will never feel the need to respond to your posts again...
"Society is the problem, I am a product of my environment"....blah, blah...Straight from the textbook so at least we know Charles can read.
HOB 10.05.2005, E Rutherford 06.03.2006, The Gorge 07.22.2006, Lolla 08.05.2007, West Palm 06.11.2008, Tampa 06.12.2008, Columbia 06.16.2008, EV Memphis 06.20.2009, New Orleans 05.01.2010, Kansas City 05.03.2010
The family, acting as an agent of Manson's ideology, murdered people. If I tell you to shoot your neighbor in the head, and you do it, I am guilty.
I don't think you can comprehend the moral of the story.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Look, Charlie is an example, we should learn from him.
Did you read my early posts about cutting a baby out of Sharon Tate...does that mean anything to you....brainwashing and propoganda have generated many acts of inhumanity in the name of a leader.
Did Hitler actually kill anyone?
Do you get it, or just look for twisted logic to try and sound smarter than your local barber.
HOB 10.05.2005, E Rutherford 06.03.2006, The Gorge 07.22.2006, Lolla 08.05.2007, West Palm 06.11.2008, Tampa 06.12.2008, Columbia 06.16.2008, EV Memphis 06.20.2009, New Orleans 05.01.2010, Kansas City 05.03.2010
Did you read my early posts about cutting a baby out of Sharon Tate...does that mean anything to you....brainwashing and propoganda have generated many acts of inhumanity in the name of a leader.
Did Hitler actually kill anyone?
Do you get it, or just look for twisted logic to try and sound smarter than your local barber.
Now David Koresh! That guy was an abomination to humanity!
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
This is rare for me, I dont' want to get banned....but this is personal
Cheguevara6
Your anarchist statement show such disease in your spirit I don't know where to begin, but by saying FUCK YOU and your little sick thoughts and all your sick friends and professors and book store clerks that agree with you.....not because I don't like creative thought, but because you are poisoned in your hearts and your spirits. WTF, you might as well have blood on your hands because you excuse murder, glamorize it, and make it excusable in the name of the earth, and make sick minds worthy of your worship. WTf?
I am not making this up....I grew up with Glenn, his mom is from El Paso, she was best friends in HS with Sharon Tate. His mom was pregnant with Glenn when Sharon was pregnant, and was murdered. She suffered, it is horrifiying what happened to her best friend, and I read the letters from LA.
They cut the baby out of her....you sick fuck. Cut the baby out of her body, out of her womb. You sick fuck. How could you excuse the hate and sickness and then attribute beauty to it, or intellegence. But you have, because you are for anarchy, not wisdom.
Sorry man, but you barked up the wrong tree by trying to make Manson a good guy...is this where you have to go to support your beliefs??? You need to change your path my friend.
Not to sound like a prick but the baby was never cut out of her womb, thats complete myth that has been made up over the years to make the manson family even more of a horror story. I do believe though that susan atkins was quoted as saying she wanted to cut the baby out but they had ran out of time. In fact there is many pictures of sharon tate's brutalised body on the internet and you can clearly see the baby was still inside. The only reason i say this is because i hate how Charles Manson and everything that went on that year have been totally blown out of proportion by the media and now everyone believes all these rediculous stories. Its not that i think manson is some saint or anything i just hate all the fiction and helter skelter stories that have been made surrounding the manson family. Bugliosi started most of i with his helter skelter motive. Maybe Manson does belong in jail still, but regardless charles manson is no jeffery dahmer or Ted Bundy. But because of all the myth and fantasy surrounding these hollywood murders Charles Manson is probably the most recognized serial killer, but funny thing is he's not even a serial killer. I actually studied up on Manson and the murders a few years back, read a few books, some good some not, for some reason i just got really interested in it and it has become clear to me that Charles Manson was nothing more than an individual who was a little lost, though he did have a lot of interesting ideas that I do say I agree with. People did die though and its likely Manson had some responsibility but he certainly doesnt deserve the legacy he has. Its all just total bullshit that the media had a field day with, especially with bugliosi's motive. Anyways I just had to respond after seeing someone say the fetus was cut from the womb, its just the perfect example of how much people really know about manson and the murders. I think Maynard James Keenan probably said it best in an interview a few years back
"I think the media made Manson, turned him into some larger than life figure and surrounded him with mystery and some shady glamour. I don't even think that he was really a psychopath, that he had any form of mysterious power. He was just a frustrated guy who wanted to be a rock star."
Do you get it, or just look for twisted logic to try and sound smarter than your local barber.
Hitler was way different than Charles Manson.
First of all Hitler was dictator of a powerful nation. Charles Manson lived in a fucking dump.
Second Hitler had syphilis which affected his brain, ontop of that he was taking methamphetamine and was just totally fucked in the head. Charles Manson was not clinically wrong in the head, he was socially wrong in the head.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Now David Koresh! That guy was an abomination to humanity!
Haha, that's a joke, right?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
If France, Germany, Russia, and China were less concerned with money and more concerned with spreading democracy, then we would be in and out of Iraq. The Iran situation would be solved, as well as N. Korea. So I don't put all of the blame on Bush.
'Spreading democracy' you say? Please provide just one example of where America has spread democracy in the world. Just one example.
So we should turn him loose...in an America that has 100 times the lemmings it had when he and his cult carried out their premeditated murders? Do you know how many people a guy like Manson could influence if given the chance? Lets start with all of the fucked up scenester kids who think it's cool to dig Charles Manson, and work from there to the legitimate sociopaths who would jump at the opportunity to be associated with him.
What cult? There was no cult. The whole 'cult' rubbish was cooked up by the corrupt prosecutor Bugliosi in the midst of a media whirlwind which, in 1969, gave the suits an opportunity to turn the tables on the hippies/love generation by presenting Manson as a crazed cult leader who managed to brainwash his 'followers' into killing for him. The whole thing was a joke. Bugliosi himself admitted that Manson was innocent, but that he was going to make sure he was charged as guilty anyway. Bugliosi was an upcoming young lawyer with high ambitions, and no morals. He also ended up becoming a millionaire through the Manson case, and by publishing his book on it. As Manson said at the time, the authorities were accusing him of murder whilst at the same time sending thousands off to Vietnam to commit murder on a massive scale.
What cult? There was no cult. The whole 'cult' rubbish was cooked up by the corrupt prosecutor Bugliosi in the midst of a media whirlwind which, in 1969, gave the suits an opportunity to turn the tables on the hippies/love generation by presenting Manson as a crazed cult leader who managed to brainwash his 'followers' into killing for him. The whole thing was a joke. Bugliosi himself admitted that Manson was innocent, but that he was going to make sure he was charged as guilty anyway. Bugliosi was an upcoming young lawyer with high ambitions, and no morals. He also ended up becoming a millionaire through the Manson case, and by publishing his book on it. As Manson said at the time, the authorities were accusing him of murder whilst at the same time sending thousands off to Vietnam to commit murder on a massive scale.
I highly doubt that Bugliosi said that Manson was innocent.
Just because thousands were being sent to Vietnam meant that it was ok for Manson and his followers to murder? Nice logic.
I highly doubt that Bugliosi said that Manson was innocent.
Just because thousands were being sent to Vietnam meant that it was ok for Manson and his followers to murder? Nice logic.
As for your first sentence: He did. I've read the book. I read it years ago and highlighted certain passages that I found fascinating. That was just one of them.
As for saying that Manson said'..because thousands were being sent to Vietnam meant that it was ok for [him]and his followers to murder'. He didn't. You've confused what I stated previously.
I just thought you were a little "off" before now you have confirmed it. And shockingly enough, you aren't the only one here who thinks Manson is "misunderstood" or whatever.
Has anyone considered that Manson is where he wants to be? Every time he goes up for parole, he fucks it all up. I think, at least in part, he does it on purpose. He prefers where he is.
Has anyone considered that Manson is where he wants to be? Every time he goes up for parole, he fucks it all up. I think, at least in part, he does it on purpose. He prefers where he is.
That's what I believe.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Comments
This is the the most fucked up thread ever. I'm expecting deletion soon.
Are you suggesting that "Charlie" should be walking among us?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Charlie said something like "You blame me for corrupting your youth, then why do they keep visiting me in jail?"
To this day, people that have never met him, that learn about him and the truth about Manson and the family go to visit Manson in his cell and ask him for guidance. That is not his fault. The family was the same thing.
True, he never killed anyone.
Manson is a product of society and his environment, upbringing. You just have to know that his mother was a crack whore, his dad didn't exist and he was living in a garbage bin by the age of 12. Choice?
Though, I don't think he wants to be freed. He told them before that he didn't want to be released, that he understood life in prison, it was home to him. After they released him, the killings started. If they had listened to him from the start it wouldn't have happened.
He's a good example of a person with a perfectly normal brain gone wrong because of our soceity and war.
He was buddies with the Beach Boys too. I think.
old music: http://www.myspace.com/slowloader
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Somewhere, somebody loves Saddam Hussein. Did he do wrong?
old music: http://www.myspace.com/slowloader
All you people saying he is crazy, you don't even know Charles Manson.
Is he your daddy or something? I've read several books on Manson. I've watched his interviews. The guy is not playing with a full deck.
old music: http://www.myspace.com/slowloader
He's not playing with a post-graduate education if that's what you mean. He is playing with an education he got on the street. He can't communicate the same as you or I. I imagine that would be really frustrating.
Manson didn't have two parents, he didn't have one parent or even a guardian. He was just him, learning on his own the raw reality of society. That is what he knows.
When you look up at me, you see your Lord.
When you look right at me, you see yourself."
-Charles Manson.
"Society is always looking for a scapegoat for all it's problems. Well, here I am."
-Charles Manson
So we should turn him loose...in an America that has 100 times the lemmings it had when he and his cult carried out their premeditated murders? Do you know how many people a guy like Manson could influence if given the chance? Lets start with all of the fucked up scenester kids who think it's cool to dig Charles Manson, and work from there to the legitimate sociopaths who would jump at the opportunity to be associated with him.
old music: http://www.myspace.com/slowloader
Correct. It always amused me that convicts were taken pity upon by being "guily by reason of insanity."
Te me, that seemed to be all the more reason to have them locked away.
And..... If Charlie isn't insane as you suggest. Then what is the argument?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
No, he doesn't want to be released, he wants the bastards that start wars to be sitting in his place.
Releasing Manson would bring 500 to 1000 dead. Seriously, he doesn't want out, but he should never have been there to begin with.
He and his band didn't kill anyone. The Family did the killings, not Manson.
I killed nine pigs, I'll kill nine more - charles
I'm not crazy, society is crazy - charles
Look, Charlie is an example, we should learn from him.
The family, acting as an agent of Manson's ideology, murdered people. If I tell you to shoot your neighbor in the head, and you do it, I am guilty.
old music: http://www.myspace.com/slowloader
Now that I have read your statement, I will never feel the need to respond to your posts again...
"Society is the problem, I am a product of my environment"....blah, blah...Straight from the textbook so at least we know Charles can read.
I don't think you can comprehend the moral of the story.
Did you read my early posts about cutting a baby out of Sharon Tate...does that mean anything to you....brainwashing and propoganda have generated many acts of inhumanity in the name of a leader.
Did Hitler actually kill anyone?
Do you get it, or just look for twisted logic to try and sound smarter than your local barber.
Now David Koresh! That guy was an abomination to humanity!
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Not to sound like a prick but the baby was never cut out of her womb, thats complete myth that has been made up over the years to make the manson family even more of a horror story. I do believe though that susan atkins was quoted as saying she wanted to cut the baby out but they had ran out of time. In fact there is many pictures of sharon tate's brutalised body on the internet and you can clearly see the baby was still inside. The only reason i say this is because i hate how Charles Manson and everything that went on that year have been totally blown out of proportion by the media and now everyone believes all these rediculous stories. Its not that i think manson is some saint or anything i just hate all the fiction and helter skelter stories that have been made surrounding the manson family. Bugliosi started most of i with his helter skelter motive. Maybe Manson does belong in jail still, but regardless charles manson is no jeffery dahmer or Ted Bundy. But because of all the myth and fantasy surrounding these hollywood murders Charles Manson is probably the most recognized serial killer, but funny thing is he's not even a serial killer. I actually studied up on Manson and the murders a few years back, read a few books, some good some not, for some reason i just got really interested in it and it has become clear to me that Charles Manson was nothing more than an individual who was a little lost, though he did have a lot of interesting ideas that I do say I agree with. People did die though and its likely Manson had some responsibility but he certainly doesnt deserve the legacy he has. Its all just total bullshit that the media had a field day with, especially with bugliosi's motive. Anyways I just had to respond after seeing someone say the fetus was cut from the womb, its just the perfect example of how much people really know about manson and the murders. I think Maynard James Keenan probably said it best in an interview a few years back
"I think the media made Manson, turned him into some larger than life figure and surrounded him with mystery and some shady glamour. I don't even think that he was really a psychopath, that he had any form of mysterious power. He was just a frustrated guy who wanted to be a rock star."
Hitler was way different than Charles Manson.
First of all Hitler was dictator of a powerful nation. Charles Manson lived in a fucking dump.
Second Hitler had syphilis which affected his brain, ontop of that he was taking methamphetamine and was just totally fucked in the head. Charles Manson was not clinically wrong in the head, he was socially wrong in the head.
Haha, that's a joke, right?
'Spreading democracy' you say? Please provide just one example of where America has spread democracy in the world. Just one example.
What cult? There was no cult. The whole 'cult' rubbish was cooked up by the corrupt prosecutor Bugliosi in the midst of a media whirlwind which, in 1969, gave the suits an opportunity to turn the tables on the hippies/love generation by presenting Manson as a crazed cult leader who managed to brainwash his 'followers' into killing for him. The whole thing was a joke. Bugliosi himself admitted that Manson was innocent, but that he was going to make sure he was charged as guilty anyway. Bugliosi was an upcoming young lawyer with high ambitions, and no morals. He also ended up becoming a millionaire through the Manson case, and by publishing his book on it. As Manson said at the time, the authorities were accusing him of murder whilst at the same time sending thousands off to Vietnam to commit murder on a massive scale.
Just because thousands were being sent to Vietnam meant that it was ok for Manson and his followers to murder? Nice logic.
As for your first sentence: He did. I've read the book. I read it years ago and highlighted certain passages that I found fascinating. That was just one of them.
As for saying that Manson said'..because thousands were being sent to Vietnam meant that it was ok for [him]and his followers to murder'. He didn't. You've confused what I stated previously.
I just thought you were a little "off" before now you have confirmed it. And shockingly enough, you aren't the only one here who thinks Manson is "misunderstood" or whatever.
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