Collapse, its occuring....

musicismylife78

Today news reports thats:

-700 soldiers were wounded in Iraq last month alone.

-scientists now claim today, october 9th 2006 we have reached un sustainability. We have maxed out our credit cards for the earth in terms of our impact on the environment and resources.

-North Korea tests nuclear weapons

-Bush will respond to those attacks

-Attack on Iran is in 2nd mode of planning


It seems to me, the collapse will occur, the question is, what are we willing to do about it?

Are we willing to let grey haired 50 year old baby boomers continue to ruin our world? Or do we overthrow them?

We need to act now, and act fast.

We especially whites need to decide which side we want to be on. The poor and brown, black, all have begun to fight. We need to fight right by their side for the same cause. We need to change society.

Are you on the side of the oppressed, or the side of the oppressor?

The choice is clear

Are we willing to let a whole people be slaughtered in iraq? A while generation of americans lost in the war? Is that a cost you are willing to pay?

DO SOMETHING!!! SET IT OFF!

London Calling

Cheguevara6 wrote:

We especially whites need to decide which side we want to be on. The poor and brown, black, all have begun to fight. We need to fight right by their side for the same cause. We need to change society.

huh?? What does that mean?

jlew24asu

chavez is that you? stay off these boards will you.

binauralsounds

jlew24asu wrote:

chavez is that you? stay off these boards will you.

I would take that advice if I were him. Especially after the massive anti chavez protests over the weekend.

jeffbr

Wow. The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

Jammin909

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Are we willing to let grey haired 50 year old baby boomers continue to ruin our world? Or do we overthrow them?

Who? Hate to break it to you but nobody cares. Baby boomers vote, 18-25 year olds dont. Until people educate themselves and vote accordingly expect more of the same. You are not going to see too many fat-comfortable 60 year olds running a voter registration drive.

musicismylife78

probably because kids cant get elected you have to be 35 to get elected.

Their arent any 18-28 year olds in office that I know of and in 2008 none will run for office.

Thus its the people I just mentioned 50 year old baby boomers. Not too hard to figure out. Watch Cnn, they arent talking about issues that effect the youth.

Reguarding my statement to whites its pretty clear. This isnt Marxist theortics here.

If you are white, you must realize their are many many non whites engaged in bringing down the system, resisting in all manner to the destruction of their lives and earth. Whites by and large are choosing, choosing not to fight.

Again I pose the statement;
Whites must choose sides.

Its funny no one discussed the news reports I mentioned, everyone is responding to the tone of my message.

Certainly North Korea testing nukes is bad, and certainly, the thing about the environment is bad.

What is the consensus on that stuff?

Bush's statement that he will "respond" to North Korea and the info leaked from CIA and white house aides that the US is close to invaded Iran is troubling.

Instead of making fun of me, it might be nice especially in Moving Train, named after a book by essential socialist critic Howard Zinn, that we look at whats going on

The sky is falling. You may be too blind to see it, but it is. I would bet if North Korea dropped the bomb on us, the idiot who sort of was wimpy and didnt even address the issue, I am sure if that happened, that person would be saying something quite different


AGain, Lets bring the system down. You Choose to be on the side of the people, or the corporation.

musicismylife78

plus I wonder why youth dont vote? Maybe because we get crappy candidates like Kerry or Hillary, who are mealy mouthed idiots who are more center than left wing. Candidates who believe being more right wing than the right wingers, ie kerry proposed sending more troops to iraq during the 04 debates, they think that is an opposition party.

How can it be an opposition party if they arent even willing to vote against the war.

Dems are wimps, I am not a dem, and wont vote dem. I like candidates who stand up for their beliefs. Very few dems do this

Jammin909

Cheguevara6 wrote:

If you are white, you must realize their are many many non whites engaged in bringing down the system, resisting in all manner to the destruction of their lives and earth. Whites by and large are choosing, choosing not to fight.

So you think the minorities are siding with the people or the corporations?

Cheguevara6 wrote:

AGain, Lets bring the system down.

What is your plan?

musicismylife78

the minorites are clearly siding with the oppressed. Look at Iraqi civilians, cuban civilians, venezuelan civilians.

I dont have a plan. All I know is that our government is planning on attacking North Korea and Iran.

If you think things are bad now, wait till those things happen. My whole point was to point this out and to try and suggest people get out there and resist and overthrow these lunatics.

Plus, i just find it comical. People plan out their days, they know what they will eat for dinner tonight. Yet, if you were to say to someone, "we know oil isnt inifinite, their is a limited amount, scientists say we are past peak oil, when we have no more oil, our whole way of life, electricty, jobs, cars, television, computers will be gone, what do you plan on doing about that"? people would look at you as if you were insane.

We have to begin to start living our lives. Moving to communes, joining radical organizations, starting the revolution. We need to begin farming, growing our own food, totally independent of babylon.

I mean, we all know their is only a certain amount of trees left in society. Given that it is more than likely foresting will continue at this rate, when will forests disappear? Have they already?

I mean we spend half the day worried about the Yanks and the World Series, or the stock market, or Lost or Flavor of Love, yet we are so blind to whats actually going on.

People need to stand up and say, "hey I wont have my kids or grandkids sent to die in iraq". We need to start the revolution...tonight

We need to overthrow civilization and the culture...tonight.

I mean, do you honestly believe your life is sustainable, your lifestyle? How much longer can we build more roads, drive more gasoline loaded cars, build more houses, chop more trees, pollute more air, and not have it have a huge effect? Are you willing to chance it?

jeffbr

Most people, including me, aren't feeling the sense of urgency you seem to be experiencing. I've been around for awhile. I've got income, a house, cars and motorcycles, a couple of kids who are straight A students and athletes, money put away for their educations. Gas is relatively cheap, the market is up, housing is stable, intereste rates are good, inflation numbers are good. And you want me to throw this away and live on a comune with people who probably put a low priority on bathing? No thanks. Is this sustainable? I guess we're both placing bets. I know I've placed mine. Instead of a revolution tonight, I think I'll watch Monday Night Football on my big screen TV.

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PaperPlates

Put down the bong, and step away from the computer.

Cosmo

Hey... it could be worse, you know. You could be an Arab living next door to JSand.

69charger

Cheguevara6 wrote:

If you are white, you must realize their are many many non whites engaged in bringing down the system, resisting in all manner to the destruction of their lives and earth. Whites by and large are choosing, choosing not to fight.

Again I pose the statement;
Whites must choose sides.

Ok then. I choose the 'white side'.

What the fuck?

dkst0426

What the hell is this borderline racist bullsh**?

musicismylife78

call it what you want. My names Cheguevara on the board. Dont know many racists who hold che up as a hero.

Secondly, to state that blacks and latinos, have begin to fight isnt racist. its a fact.

maybe read my posts before calling me a racist!

Its funny, I think of pearl jam fans as being really intelligent, but most of the posts here with the exception of a few have been really ignorant and silly.

Maybe I should repeat it again, I have said it several times before, obviously people like DKST cant read.

I want to stop the war and overthrow this capitalist system and put in its place something more humane.

In order to do that, we have to do more than just sit around and do nothing. Its going to require people to give up certain things. Its going to require people sacrificing their jobs or whatever.

The iraqis are fighting the u.s., they have begun the fight. Their are a host of other races that have begun to fight, to resist, to stop the u.s. and work toward a more rational society. A society based on human rights, justice, peace, equality.

By and large, the majority of whites in America, are living their white lives. White picket fences, white kids, white jobs, white houses. They are paying taxes and not doing anything to stop the war.

So in order for the system to change for the war to stop, whites need to look to other races who have started to resist.

This isnt that hard to comprehend. Its basic revolution 101 here guys.

Most whites arent going to start the revolution, most whites are worried about their jobs, and school, etc...

Milestone

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Are we willing to let a whole people be slaughtered in iraq? A while generation of americans lost in the war?

A generation of Americans? I don't think so.

dkst0426

Cheguevara6 wrote:

call it what you want. My names Cheguevara on the board. Dont know many racists who hold che up as a hero.

Your name could be jessejackson or louisfarrakhan for all I care. Not as if I put any stock in the significance of a screenname.

Secondly, to state that blacks and latinos, have begin to fight isnt racist. its a fact.

maybe read my posts before calling me a racist!

Maybe I should repeat it again, I have said it several times before, obviously people like DKST cant read.

I can read perfectly well, Che. Perhaps it would be time to take a lesson from your own book and read: did I call you a racist? Did I say your remarks were racist?

Its funny, I think of pearl jam fans as being really intelligent, but most of the posts here with the exception of a few have been really ignorant and silly.

Let me guess: the ones who disagree with you are "ignorant and silly," right? Typical. :rolleyes:

musicismylife78

you brought it up Dk

When you say "borderline" racist ---- reguarding my posts, yeah I think you are implying I am a racist. You are not blatantly suggesting it yet the implications are there. I doubt you would say this to a person you felt was being antiracist

Come on and admit what you do. Dont hide. You called me, or implied I was a racist. You think I am not going to react strongly to that?

You are ignorant and silly, you are. Not anyone else. You are. You cant admit when you call someone a racist, and you play dumb.

I posted on here 4 or 5 times, that I wanted the revolution started and that I was praising blacks and latinos for starting to fight. Yet you somehow dont understand what that means. Pretty straightforward stuff, Dk.

I dont understand whats racist about it. Again, to state the situation is not racist. Iraqi civilians have begun to fight. They are resisting american troops. How is that racist? Its the situation.

Evidently, when the revolution starts, we may be storming the barricades, and you may be standing there saying, "I dont understand, this is borderline racist".

dkst0426

Cheguevara6 wrote:

you brought it up Dk

When you say "borderline" racist ---- reguarding my posts, yeah I think you are implying I am a racist. You are not blatantly suggesting it yet the implications are there. I doubt you would say this to a person you felt was being antiracist

Come on and admit what you do. Dont hide. You called me, or implied I was a racist. You think I am not going to react strongly to that?

You are ignorant and silly, you are. Not anyone else. You are. You cant admit when you call someone a racist, and you play dumb.

I posted on here 4 or 5 times, that I wanted the revolution started and that I was praising blacks and latinos for starting to fight. Yet you somehow dont understand what that means. Pretty straightforward stuff, Dk.

I dont understand whats racist about it. Again, to state the situation is not racist. Iraqi civilians have begun to fight. They are resisting american troops. How is that racist? Its the situation.

If I wanted to call you a racist (or what you said racist), I would've. What you want to read into my posts is entirely your prerogative, not thrugh any of my doing. I'm not hiding behind anything.

This "whites must choose" bluster is exactly that: bluster. Wrapped in hyperbole. Smothered in overreaction. And I'm not even a white person.

musicismylife78

well then who the hell were you refering to when you said:

What the hell is this borderline racist bullsh**?


I didnt read anything into the post. You said that. Admit you said it. and lets move on.

What a baby