RATM speaks the truth in Election 2008

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lowlight10 wrote:

I believe the third race he mentioned was muslims.

how did I hear his comments so clearly without having heard the recording? earplugs.

I hear ya, loud and clear because I too wear earplugs.

slightofjeff

searchlightsoul wrote:

You just called Zach a dumb shit but then you went on to equate militarised 1940's Japan with Afghanistan. Hmmmmm...

Maybe its just me, but there might be a few scholars who would disagree with that comparsion.

BTW how did a band of terrorists suddenly amplify to country status?

When you harbor, help and fund a known terrorist organization, you ARE a terrorist organization.

UBL was in Afghanistan at the Tailban's blessing, and they knew damn well what he was up to. Bin Laden was basically running Afghanistan at that time.

On 9/11, Al Qaeda was the gun, the Tailban was the trigger.

slightofjeff

Don't Know Myself wrote:

I missed when "Afghanistan" attacked the U.S.?

You need to study the relationship between Al Qaeda and the Taliban, circa 2001 then.

fuck

slightofjeff wrote:

When you harbor, help and fund a known terrorist organization, you ARE a terrorist organization.

UBL was in Afghanistan at the Tailban's blessing, and they knew damn well what he was up to. Bin Laden was basically running Afghanistan at that time.

On 9/11, Al Qaeda was the gun, the Tailban was the trigger.

you sure you don't also wear earplugs?

like, everyday of your life?

slightofjeff

_outlaw wrote:

you sure you don't also wear earplugs?

like, everyday of your life?

So when you've got no comeback ... insult the other person? That's a nice debate technique you've got going there.

Me, on the other hand, like to simply resort to irrelevant grammar smack. As in: "Every day" should be two words in the above sentence, not one.

cincybearcat

_outlaw wrote:

you sure you don't also wear earplugs?

like, everyday of your life?

Ignorance is bliss.

Wearing earplugs you are able to hear everything that you can hear without them...so your comment makes very little sense...

Now those blinders you wear are a real problem.

fuck

slightofjeff wrote:

So when you've got no comeback ... insult the other person? That's a nice debate technique you've got going there.

no comeback? you, like most others, seem to completely ignore most points, such as the fact that it was not the country of Afghanistan that did 9/11 and that the U.S. does, in fact, DELIBERATELY attack many civilian areas in Afghanistan. you completely ignore the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Afghanistan as "collateral damage." well, what about the people killed in 9/11? 9/11 was an act of war, and in war, people die as "collateral damage." and don't dismiss this argument as being different because it is not different than the same tactics the U.S. use on Afghani civilians.

Me, on the other hand, like to simply resort to irrelevant grammar smack. As in: "Every day" should be two words in the above sentence, not one.

It should be "I," not "Me."

fuck

cincybearcat wrote:

Ignorance is bliss.

Wearing earplugs you are able to hear everything that you can hear without them...so your comment makes very little sense...

Now those blinders you wear are a real problem.

I'm blind? why? because I see the Israeli occupation for what it is? because I can't stop noticing oppression in its many forms? because I actually care about the civilians being killed in places like Palestine, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and don't brush them all off as just "collateral damage?"

slightofjeff

_outlaw wrote:

It should be "I," not "Me."

Now your (sic) getting the hang of it.

As for the rest of this:

_outlaw wrote:

no comeback? you, like most others, seem to completely ignore most points, such as the fact that it was not the country of Afghanistan that did 9/11 and that the U.S. does, in fact, DELIBERATELY attack many civilian areas in Afghanistan. you completely ignore the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Afghanistan as "collateral damage." well, what about the people killed in 9/11? 9/11 was an act of war, and in war, people die as "collateral damage." and don't dismiss this argument as being different because it is not different than the same tactics the U.S. use on Afghani civilians.

I'm not ignoring your points. I'm just disagreeing with them. That is allowed, right?

cincybearcat

_outlaw wrote:

I'm blind? why? because I see the Israeli occupation for what it is? because I can't stop noticing oppression in its many forms? because I actually care about the civilians being killed in places like Palestine, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and don't brush them all off as just "collateral damage?"

I didn't say "blind" I said "blinders"...like race horses...keeps them looking in 1 direction unable to see the rest all around them.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

slightofjeff wrote:

Me, on the other hand, like to simply resort to irrelevant grammar smack. As in: "Every day" should be two words in the above sentence, not one.

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh burn! you just got served!

slightofjeff

MrSmith wrote:

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh burn! you just got served!

I know I shouldn't have lashed out like that. I was just soooooo hurt by the stinging wittiness of his "ear plug" joke.

NMyTree

radiohead33 wrote:

"For these last eight years, all we've heard about is a mysterious outside force that threatens our security and our liveihood everyday... *indecipherable* ...that some outside force is threatening our wayof life and our jobs and our livelihoods...and after *indecipherable*...it must dawn on us that its the big government that is the terrorist force sitting across from us.

"And I'm not just talking about the Bush administration, but the whole sick, conformist apparatus *indecipherable*

"They're supposed to step up and be our voice and congress they turned their backs on us. They turned their backs on the workers. They turned their backs on the soldiers. They got right behind Bush lock step and got this country into another sick war.

"Now we know brother Obama. We know brother Obama. But I tell you what, if he comes to power come November and he doesn't start pulling troops out of Afghanistan, I know a lot of people who are gonna stand up and burn down every office of every Senate.

"All this now we've been seeing is just the beginning, it's just the beginning. And no matter what happens in these *indecipherable*, I'll say this. That there is a generation of young black and latino brothers and sisters that are gonna force everyone in this country to make a decision very soon about what side they're going to stand on. And they're a generation of kids who don't give a fuck about national politics. They care about bread. They care about water. They care about housing and they care about justice. And they ain't gonna fucking stand for any of that shit. They're just gonna take it.

"This new generation of blacks and latinos *indecipherable* are gonna make this country an offer it can't refuse. So wake up!

Nice job of dividing the american population. Dividing them into nice, little groups of race, Zack.

Nice job of promoting a Race War.

Thanks for stepping out of that Blind Racist Closet and exposing yourself for the blithering moron, you really are.

It's nice to be a radical. It's not admirable to be an idiotic radical.

Just one question, Zack.

During this revolution and uprising, what are the scheduled Bong Hit Breaks?

Every 15 minutes or 20 minutes?

NMyTree

slightofjeff wrote:

When you harbor, help and fund a known terrorist organization, you ARE a terrorist organization.

UBL was in Afghanistan at the Tailban's blessing, and they knew damn well what he was up to. Bin Laden was basically running Afghanistan at that time.

On 9/11, Al Qaeda was the gun, the Tailban was the trigger.

But the money trail traced back to Pakistan.

slightofjeff

NMyTree wrote:

But the money trail traced back to Pakistan.

They're assholes too. But they are assholes with nukes, which makes them a touchier sort of problem.

If you really want to argue the Taliban bears no culpability in bin Laden's ability to plan, fund and execute the 9.11 attacks, go for it. It's going to be tough to convince me, though.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

slightofjeff wrote:

If you really want to argue the Taliban bears no culpability in bin Laden's ability to plan, fund and execute the 9.11 attacks, go for it. It's going to be tough to convince me, though.

the Taliban were good people kept in power by the majority of Afghanistan's citizens! they didnt harbor terrorists! A revisionist historian told me so, and i forget everything that happened more than a couple of years ago.

hardboiled

radiohead33 wrote:

i wouldnt be so sure. When things go berserk they really go berserk. Remember the 1960's/70's where you had Patty heart robbing a bank, you had a radical activist organization in america, the weathermen, hold a convention where they called for the murder of their parents and the murder of prominent politicians, where radical feminists didnt want to give birth to white babies and responded that the acceptable course was to "throw it away".

Uh-huh. How many of the people at that convention actually murdered parents and politicians? And last I checked, there were plenty of white babies born after the 60s and 70s and dumpster babies haven't exactly skyrocketed since then. You can't tell me that other ethnicities are somehow more akin to feminist ideals anyway (hip hop and burkhas anyone?).

There is so much bullshit rhetoric and posturing in this nonsense it's not even funny. Nobody is going to burn down the Senate. They can barely get enough people for a meaningful anti-war rally. Nobody is going to take to the streets if Obama doesn't immediately pull all troops from Afghan or Iraq. Your rage is not shared by most of the American people. Many now realize Iraq was a mistake and we should be getting out, but that does not apply to Afghanistan and people are definitely not so outraged that they're going to start burning and looting.

fuck

slightofjeff wrote:

They're assholes too.

riiight, THEY'RE the assholes... not us...

fuck

cincybearcat wrote:

I didn't say "blind" I said "blinders"...like race horses...keeps them looking in 1 direction unable to see the rest all around them.

uh, actually, I'm able to see everything going on just fine...

others however choose to ignore everything, including the deaths of millions of innocents, while just sticking to their agenda...

please, feel free to enlighten me... what am I not paying attention to?

fuck

slightofjeff wrote:

I'm not ignoring your points. I'm just disagreeing with them. That is allowed, right?

awesome. so, you disagree with the fact that U.S. deliberately attacks many civilian areas in Afghanistan? You think hundreds of thousands of civilians die by accident? you disagree that the people in 9/11 who died are comparable to the innocents who died in Afghanistan? Iraq? Palestine? why is that?

and feel free to ignore these points again by just saying "I disagree."