Yea yea yea. By your point a shooting would have been justified just as long as there was plenty of yelling done at the cops.
Oh now you're just being liberal.
You should thank me. I'm one of the very few on this board that keeps the rest of you from patting yourselves on your collective backs thread after thread.
Good post Bill! You betcha Cindy! Great idea! You know it! Those dumb Republicans! They'll get theirs! Yes they will Tim! That's for sure Rob! La dee fuckin da...
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
(1) you do what police officers tell you to do.
(2) when you post something like this, please characterize it correctly. the student/individual was resisting and being uncooperative and he was told what to do and what consequence he would face if he did not comply. the individual was acting in a weird manner, and screaming and swearing at police officers. he got what he deserved.
(1) you do what police officers tell you to do.
(2) when you post something like this, please characterize it correctly. the student/individual was resisting and being uncooperative and he was told what to do and what consequence he would face if he did not comply. the individual was acting in a weird manner, and screaming and swearing at police officers. he got what he deserved.
Right on, right on...
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Well, I know one thing. If I were one of those cops, reguardless of the circumstances, and I only have a couple other "good guys" with me, my nerves would be railed with that many people around me causing that much of a uproar. An uproar clearly geared against me.
And what is this saying ThumbingMyWay32? I want you to break down this thing that you have typed and tell me exactly what you meant by it. And if you gotta resort to another political label well then, fucking forget it.
Well, I know one thing. If I were one of those cops, reguardless of the circumstances, and I only have a couple other "good guys" with me, my nerves would be railed with that many people around me causing that much of a uproar. An uproar clearly geared against me.
Um.. Ok. Where to start?
I thought this was pretty cut and dry.
If I were a cop, surrounded by a hostile crowd, my nerves would be railed. This means I would be on high alert and probably feel threatened.
In closing, this would explain my apparent use of the phrase "back up or you will be tased" which was directed at the young lady.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
If I were a cop, surrounded by a hostile crowd, my nerves would be railed. This means I would be on high alert and probably feel threatened.
In closing, this would explain my apparent use of the phrase "back up or you will be tased" which was directed at the young lady.
Actually, the back up or you will be tased was directed at a male in a white shirt. I don't think the cop stepped out of bounds on that one. The guy was making very quick and irrational movements with his hand. I actually give the cops props for not tasing him or taking him into custody.
After trying to research this article on various sites I'm just gonna saying trying to debate whether what the cops did is right or wrong is fruitless. There is simply not enough evidence, nor enough statements from witnesses to really be able to base a logical and strong argument on. (by the way, it seems like a lot of the news channel sites just copied and pasted the orignial story. Slackers.)
And sorry for the snappiness. I burnt the shit out of my hand yesterday and I had just learned how to play the Sweet Child O' Mine solo...so I'm in a pissy mood. Fuck it. I might just give a go anyhow.
Last week on CNN they had some white trash guy on there that took a cattle prod to his infant daughter. I didn't really see too many people getting up in arms about that and THAT was clearly a violation of her rights. Sweet jebus I am left wondering what people will do next :mad:
Which I suppose has people wondering why I posted this and thinking WTF does one have to with another besides the tasering which is actually what reminded me of that story I had read. I guess my point is that probably both the student and the police could have changed the outcome but this baby had no defenses, no choices. So maybe a revolution is in order but maybe we should be picking the battles in which to do so. Child abuse has become so commonplace that we don't even notice it anymore but taser an adult who can make their own choices and then we have a problem
Actually, the back up or you will be tased was directed at a male in a white shirt. I don't think the cop stepped out of bounds on that one. The guy was making very quick and irrational movements with his hand. I actually give the cops props for not tasing him or taking him into custody.
After trying to research this article on various sites I'm just gonna saying trying to debate whether what the cops did is right or wrong is fruitless. There is simply not enough evidence, nor enough statements from witnesses to really be able to base a logical and strong argument on. (by the way, it seems like a lot of the news channel sites just copied and pasted the orignial story. Slackers.)
And sorry for the snappiness. I burnt the shit out of my hand yesterday and I had just learned how to play the Sweet Child O' Mine solo...so I'm in a pissy mood. Fuck it. I might just give a go anyhow.
Sweet. I need to pick up the strings myself. Sweep some unsuspecting beauty off her feet. Or get her in the sack... Or however it's supposed to go...
I burn my fingers every weekend over the grill anyway. Always causes a little edginess Monday and Tuesday.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Last week on CNN they had some white trash guy on there that took a cattle prod to his infant daughter. I didn't really see too many people getting up in arms about that and THAT was clearly a violation of her rights. Sweet jebus I am left wondering what people will do next :mad:
Which I suppose has people wondering why I posted this and thinking WTF does one have to with another besides the tasering which is actually what reminded me of that story I had read. I guess my point is that probably both the student and the police could have changed the outcome but this baby had no defenses, no choices. So maybe a revolution is in order but maybe we should be picking the battles in which to do so. Child abuse has become so commonplace that we don't even notice it anymore but taser an adult who can make their own choices and then we have a problem
We may not notice it like we once did because there seems to be a disease or illness that causes it. Hearing many of the recent rulings from the courts atleast it seems that way these days.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Sweet. I need to pick up the strings myself. Sweep some unsuspecting beauty off her feet. Or get her in the sack... Or however it's supposed to go...
I burn my fingers every weekend over the grill anyway. Always causes a little edginess Monday and Tuesday.
I was pulling a pizza out of the oven (Dominos) when a fellow coworker bumped me. well that fucking pizza slid off the peeler (spatula) and landed cheese side up on my fucking fret hand. So no I got a wicked bad burn on my thumb and under it where six huge blisters currently throb and some minor ones on my index and middle finger. Nice. How long you been playing?
As for the poster whom brought up the story about the cattle prod. Sorry, but I just didn't see that. You should always post crazy ridiculous shit like that up on the board, just in case some of us missed it. And I really don't even know HOW to respond to that...my mind won't let me.
How many of you are from Los Angeles, where excessive force by the police is and was a way of life? This was campus police. Excessive force. Cuff the kid, grab his feet, grab his arms, take him to the car. Tasing him in a library of students is not the best outcome. Do you want cops to have unlimited force in questioning and stopping people, cause innocent people are going to get detained as well as the guilty and violent. He clearly spoke English, we can tell that from his pained screams, but many in Los Angeles, cannot..how can they comply without being tased by trigger happy and scared police officers?? It raises lots of problems and dark scenarios.
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I was pulling a pizza out of the oven (Dominos) when a fellow coworker bumped me. well that fucking pizza slid off the peeler (spatula) and landed cheese side up on my fucking fret hand. So no I got a wicked bad burn on my thumb and under it where six huge blisters currently throb and some minor ones on my index and middle finger. Nice. How long you been playing?
Yeah. That sounds pretty bad. That's sick actually. The only thing I can relate to is I burned the top of my feet camping out down on the banks one time. Had these huge brown blisters full of fluid. Couldn't walk. Found a cinderblock i could put my feet in while I sat out in the sun. I can't believe I just pulled that memory out.
But no, I don't play. Well, I've attempted to from time to time, just never stick with it. Pops plays, and well at that. He's been known to piece a few PJ bars together.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
I was pulling a pizza out of the oven (Dominos) when a fellow coworker bumped me. well that fucking pizza slid off the peeler (spatula) and landed cheese side up on my fucking fret hand. So no I got a wicked bad burn on my thumb and under it where six huge blisters currently throb and some minor ones on my index and middle finger. Nice. How long you been playin
As for the poster whom brought up the story about the cattle prod. Sorry, but I just didn't see that. You should always post crazy ridiculous shit like that up on the board, just in case some of us missed it. And I really don't even know HOW to respond to that...my mind won't let me.
ouch!!!!!
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
How many of you are from Los Angeles, where excessive force by the police is and was a way of life? This was campus police. Excessive force. Cuff the kid, grab his feet, grab his arms, take him to the car. Tasing him in a library of students is not the best outcome. Do you want cops to have unlimited force in questioning and stopping people, cause innocent people are going to get detained as well as the guilty and violent. He clearly spoke English, we can tell that from his pained screams, but many in Los Angeles, cannot..how can they comply without being tased by trigger happy and scared police officers?? It raises lots of problems and dark scenarios.
Those people are called Illegals. And, by default, those folks are breaking the law reguardless.
But yeah, watch out for the black helicopters.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Last week on CNN they had some white trash guy on there that took a cattle prod to his infant daughter. I didn't really see too many people getting up in arms about that and THAT was clearly a violation of her rights. Sweet jebus I am left wondering what people will do next :mad:
Which I suppose has people wondering why I posted this and thinking WTF does one have to with another besides the tasering which is actually what reminded me of that story I had read. I guess my point is that probably both the student and the police could have changed the outcome but this baby had no defenses, no choices. So maybe a revolution is in order but maybe we should be picking the battles in which to do so. Child abuse has become so commonplace that we don't even notice it anymore but taser an adult who can make their own choices and then we have a problem
probly cos there wasnt a real time video of it posted online immediately after.
Pain is hillarious! I love this shit. I've seriously spent an obscene amount of time watching this shit on youtube. Maybe I'm just a weirdo, but when a uniformed police officer asks me for some ID and I've done nothing wrong, I show it to them. But like I said I'm weird.
this was so fucked up. i cant beleive people are being so blase about it. i am at university and thankfully only specially trained police officers are allowed to use taser guns. the security at our uni are pretty cool. they are polite and do their job without being "pigs".
i have seen some fucked up shit but this was vile. every time the guy screamed it was...
i havent read any article about it ie. i have not read the victims statement or the security or the university.... i could undertsand the guy getting taken down if he started getting violent... but to taser him for not showing his id? there are ways to deal with stuff... dont just jump to the gun (any gun).
you think that we in the western world would be quite civil but some people instantly revert to a barbaric state....
Now, I like a good tazing just about as much as the next guy, and am probably one of the few people on this board who has actually been tazed...but I will say this.
They had this guy, and any threat he might have posed, neutralized after they hit him with the tazer the first time. They should have cuffed him, and carried him out. He was not attacking the police, and in fact demonstrated characteristic non-violent resistance. It was their responsibility to secure and remove him. If a person doesn't want to get up, you pick them up. If they kick or punch (which doesn't happen too often after you've been hit with 50,000 volts), you have other options available to you
1. Wrist lock
2. OC Spray
3. Hit him again with the tazer
These officers egged the subject on, which leads me to wonder if they are real police officers, or if UCLA has rent-a-cops?
No disrespect to anyone who might be a campus security officer, but having worked in the law enforcement profession, most of these guys who work on para-police departments are squirrels who couldn't make the cut for a regular department. Occsionally, you'll get lucky, and you'll have a retiree from a police department working at a college to supplement their pension.
It should have never come to this, and is quite a statement on the state of our society.
Now, I like a good tazing just about as much as the next guy, and am probably one of the few people on this board who has actually been tazed...but I will say this.
Really? What's it like?
What happens if you taze someone with a pacemaker?
It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!
The UCLA student stunned with a Taser by a campus police officer has hired a high-profile civil rights lawyer who plans to file a brutality lawsuit.
The videotaped incident, which occurred after the student refused requests to show his ID card to campus officers, triggered widespread debate on and off campus Thursday about whether use of the Taser was warranted. It was the third in a recent series of local incidents captured on video that raise questions about arrest tactics.
Attorney Stephen Yagman said he plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit accusing the UCLA police of "brutal excessive force," as well as false arrest. The lawyer also provided the first public account of the Tuesday night incident at UCLA's Powell Library from the student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a 23-year-old senior.
He said that Tabatabainejad, when asked for his ID after 11 p.m. Tuesday, declined because he thought he was being singled out because of his Middle Eastern appearance. Yagman said Tabatabainejad is of Iranian descent but is a U.S.-born resident of Los Angeles.
The lawyer said Tabatabainejad eventually decided to leave the library but when an officer refused the student's request to take his hand off him, the student fell limp to the floor, again to avoid participating in what he considered a case of racial profiling. After police started firing the Taser, Tabatabainejad tried to "get the beating, the use of brutal force, to stop by shouting and causing people to watch. Generally, police don't want to do their dirties in front of a lot of witnesses."
He said Tabatabainejad was hit by the Taser five times and suffered "moderate to severe contusions" on his right side.
UCLA officials declined to respond directly to Yagman's statements, saying they still were conducting their internal investigation of the incident.
The university said earlier, however, that Tabatabainejad was asked for his ID as part of a routine nightly procedure to make sure that everyone using the library after 11 p.m. is a student or otherwise authorized to be there. Campus officials have said the long-standing policy was adopted to ensure students' safety.
UCLA also said that Tabatabainejad refused repeated requests by a community service officer and regular campus police to provide identification or to leave. UCLA said the police decided to use the Taser to incapacitate Tabatabainejad only after the student urged other library patrons to join his resistance.
Some witnesses disputed that account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door.
In a prepared statement released late Thursday, UCLA's interim chancellor, Norman Abrams, urged the public to "withhold judgment" while the campus police department investigates. "I, too, have watched the videos, and I do not believe that one can make a fair judgment regarding the matter from the videos alone. I am encouraged that a number of witnesses have come forward and are participating in the investigation."
Meanwhile, student activists were organizing a midday rally today to protest the incident, and the Southern California office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations called for an independent investigation.
The incident follows the recent announcement that four of the campus police department's nearly 60 full-time sworn officers had won so-called Taser Awards granted by the manufacturer of the device to "law enforcement officers who save a life in the line of duty through extraordinary use of the Taser." The award stemmed from an incident in which officers subdued a patient who allegedly threatened staff at the campus' Neuropsychiatric Hospital with metal scissors.
Jeff Young, assistant police chief, declined to indicate whether any of the honored officers were among the several involved in Tuesday's incident.
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Oh now you're just being liberal.
You should thank me. I'm one of the very few on this board that keeps the rest of you from patting yourselves on your collective backs thread after thread.
Good post Bill! You betcha Cindy! Great idea! You know it! Those dumb Republicans! They'll get theirs! Yes they will Tim! That's for sure Rob! La dee fuckin da...
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Now see, this is progress... Fair and balanced if you ask me.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
(2) when you post something like this, please characterize it correctly. the student/individual was resisting and being uncooperative and he was told what to do and what consequence he would face if he did not comply. the individual was acting in a weird manner, and screaming and swearing at police officers. he got what he deserved.
from my window to yours
Right on, right on...
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
And what is this saying ThumbingMyWay32? I want you to break down this thing that you have typed and tell me exactly what you meant by it. And if you gotta resort to another political label well then, fucking forget it.
Um.. Ok. Where to start?
I thought this was pretty cut and dry.
If I were a cop, surrounded by a hostile crowd, my nerves would be railed. This means I would be on high alert and probably feel threatened.
In closing, this would explain my apparent use of the phrase "back up or you will be tased" which was directed at the young lady.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Actually, the back up or you will be tased was directed at a male in a white shirt. I don't think the cop stepped out of bounds on that one. The guy was making very quick and irrational movements with his hand. I actually give the cops props for not tasing him or taking him into custody.
After trying to research this article on various sites I'm just gonna saying trying to debate whether what the cops did is right or wrong is fruitless. There is simply not enough evidence, nor enough statements from witnesses to really be able to base a logical and strong argument on. (by the way, it seems like a lot of the news channel sites just copied and pasted the orignial story. Slackers.)
And sorry for the snappiness. I burnt the shit out of my hand yesterday and I had just learned how to play the Sweet Child O' Mine solo...so I'm in a pissy mood. Fuck it. I might just give a go anyhow.
Which I suppose has people wondering why I posted this and thinking WTF does one have to with another besides the tasering which is actually what reminded me of that story I had read. I guess my point is that probably both the student and the police could have changed the outcome but this baby had no defenses, no choices. So maybe a revolution is in order but maybe we should be picking the battles in which to do so. Child abuse has become so commonplace that we don't even notice it anymore but taser an adult who can make their own choices and then we have a problem
Sweet. I need to pick up the strings myself. Sweep some unsuspecting beauty off her feet. Or get her in the sack... Or however it's supposed to go...
I burn my fingers every weekend over the grill anyway. Always causes a little edginess Monday and Tuesday.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
We may not notice it like we once did because there seems to be a disease or illness that causes it. Hearing many of the recent rulings from the courts atleast it seems that way these days.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I was pulling a pizza out of the oven (Dominos) when a fellow coworker bumped me. well that fucking pizza slid off the peeler (spatula) and landed cheese side up on my fucking fret hand. So no I got a wicked bad burn on my thumb and under it where six huge blisters currently throb and some minor ones on my index and middle finger. Nice. How long you been playing?
As for the poster whom brought up the story about the cattle prod. Sorry, but I just didn't see that. You should always post crazy ridiculous shit like that up on the board, just in case some of us missed it. And I really don't even know HOW to respond to that...my mind won't let me.
Yeah. That sounds pretty bad. That's sick actually. The only thing I can relate to is I burned the top of my feet camping out down on the banks one time. Had these huge brown blisters full of fluid. Couldn't walk. Found a cinderblock i could put my feet in while I sat out in the sun. I can't believe I just pulled that memory out.
But no, I don't play. Well, I've attempted to from time to time, just never stick with it. Pops plays, and well at that. He's been known to piece a few PJ bars together.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Those people are called Illegals. And, by default, those folks are breaking the law reguardless.
But yeah, watch out for the black helicopters.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I believe the correct statement should have been "Fuck Axel."
No really... Fuck Axel.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
probly cos there wasnt a real time video of it posted online immediately after.
Most likely. Also people are already pretty busy getting ready to watch the OJ show :rolleyes:
Pretty sad though http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06314/737181-85.stm
i have seen some fucked up shit but this was vile. every time the guy screamed it was...
i havent read any article about it ie. i have not read the victims statement or the security or the university.... i could undertsand the guy getting taken down if he started getting violent... but to taser him for not showing his id? there are ways to deal with stuff... dont just jump to the gun (any gun).
you think that we in the western world would be quite civil but some people instantly revert to a barbaric state....
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They had this guy, and any threat he might have posed, neutralized after they hit him with the tazer the first time. They should have cuffed him, and carried him out. He was not attacking the police, and in fact demonstrated characteristic non-violent resistance. It was their responsibility to secure and remove him. If a person doesn't want to get up, you pick them up. If they kick or punch (which doesn't happen too often after you've been hit with 50,000 volts), you have other options available to you
1. Wrist lock
2. OC Spray
3. Hit him again with the tazer
These officers egged the subject on, which leads me to wonder if they are real police officers, or if UCLA has rent-a-cops?
No disrespect to anyone who might be a campus security officer, but having worked in the law enforcement profession, most of these guys who work on para-police departments are squirrels who couldn't make the cut for a regular department. Occsionally, you'll get lucky, and you'll have a retiree from a police department working at a college to supplement their pension.
It should have never come to this, and is quite a statement on the state of our society.
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Really? What's it like?
What happens if you taze someone with a pacemaker?
-C Addison
The UCLA student stunned with a Taser by a campus police officer has hired a high-profile civil rights lawyer who plans to file a brutality lawsuit.
The videotaped incident, which occurred after the student refused requests to show his ID card to campus officers, triggered widespread debate on and off campus Thursday about whether use of the Taser was warranted. It was the third in a recent series of local incidents captured on video that raise questions about arrest tactics.
Attorney Stephen Yagman said he plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit accusing the UCLA police of "brutal excessive force," as well as false arrest. The lawyer also provided the first public account of the Tuesday night incident at UCLA's Powell Library from the student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a 23-year-old senior.
He said that Tabatabainejad, when asked for his ID after 11 p.m. Tuesday, declined because he thought he was being singled out because of his Middle Eastern appearance. Yagman said Tabatabainejad is of Iranian descent but is a U.S.-born resident of Los Angeles.
The lawyer said Tabatabainejad eventually decided to leave the library but when an officer refused the student's request to take his hand off him, the student fell limp to the floor, again to avoid participating in what he considered a case of racial profiling. After police started firing the Taser, Tabatabainejad tried to "get the beating, the use of brutal force, to stop by shouting and causing people to watch. Generally, police don't want to do their dirties in front of a lot of witnesses."
He said Tabatabainejad was hit by the Taser five times and suffered "moderate to severe contusions" on his right side.
UCLA officials declined to respond directly to Yagman's statements, saying they still were conducting their internal investigation of the incident.
The university said earlier, however, that Tabatabainejad was asked for his ID as part of a routine nightly procedure to make sure that everyone using the library after 11 p.m. is a student or otherwise authorized to be there. Campus officials have said the long-standing policy was adopted to ensure students' safety.
UCLA also said that Tabatabainejad refused repeated requests by a community service officer and regular campus police to provide identification or to leave. UCLA said the police decided to use the Taser to incapacitate Tabatabainejad only after the student urged other library patrons to join his resistance.
Some witnesses disputed that account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door.
In a prepared statement released late Thursday, UCLA's interim chancellor, Norman Abrams, urged the public to "withhold judgment" while the campus police department investigates. "I, too, have watched the videos, and I do not believe that one can make a fair judgment regarding the matter from the videos alone. I am encouraged that a number of witnesses have come forward and are participating in the investigation."
Meanwhile, student activists were organizing a midday rally today to protest the incident, and the Southern California office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations called for an independent investigation.
The incident follows the recent announcement that four of the campus police department's nearly 60 full-time sworn officers had won so-called Taser Awards granted by the manufacturer of the device to "law enforcement officers who save a life in the line of duty through extraordinary use of the Taser." The award stemmed from an incident in which officers subdued a patient who allegedly threatened staff at the campus' Neuropsychiatric Hospital with metal scissors.
Jeff Young, assistant police chief, declined to indicate whether any of the honored officers were among the several involved in Tuesday's incident.