When will the War in Iraq end?
musicismylife78
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When will both sides of the aisle admit they were wrong and lied?
When will we see all troops come home from Iraq?
When will this war end?
3,000 are dead. The polls show the majority of americans are against the war
the majority favor withdrawal of some troops from iraq
the majority are against the "stay the course" mentality
the majority feel Bush has steered us wrong
the majority of iraqis want us to leave iraq
the majority of iraqis support attacks on u.s. troops
How long can a war that is unpopular domestically go on? How long can an unpopular president serve? How long can a war that is unpopular continue to kill and maime and wound?
When will we say we are sorry and bring our brothers and sisters home?
When will we see all troops come home from Iraq?
When will this war end?
3,000 are dead. The polls show the majority of americans are against the war
the majority favor withdrawal of some troops from iraq
the majority are against the "stay the course" mentality
the majority feel Bush has steered us wrong
the majority of iraqis want us to leave iraq
the majority of iraqis support attacks on u.s. troops
How long can a war that is unpopular domestically go on? How long can an unpopular president serve? How long can a war that is unpopular continue to kill and maime and wound?
When will we say we are sorry and bring our brothers and sisters home?
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
As I said before, how can we win a war that is this unpopular, both domestically and abroad? How do you bring democracy to the iraqis if the majority feel that attacks on our troops is justified?
The plain truth is the war cant be won
'[W]e need to make damn sure that the neighbors understand we're going to be here a long time, 'here' meaning the Persian Gulf area, not necessarily here in Iraq.' "
And:
"I think the message that we are sending to everyone, not just Iran, is that the United States is an enduring presence in this part of the world. We have been here for a long time. We will be here for a long time and everybody needs to remember that -- both our friends and those who might consider themselves our adversaries."
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It doesn't matter how long the war in iraq lasts, the US is there to stay. It's never going to end unless something VERY dramatic happens (I'm not sure what that would be... economic collapse?). Remember, this is the Long War and Iraq is just a one theater in the global war on terrorrism.
That will happen when Americans take all of their oil!
you sick bush idiot!
Untill their will grows tired
However lets not act like this is bush's war. Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Edwards, Obama etc... all supported the war in the beginning, and many continue to suggest that a troop surge in iraq is a wise thing to do.
If ALL dems had voted down the military authorization bill of 2002, if ALL of them voted against it we wouldnt be in the war. But just as they did after 9/11, dems were afraid of being called unpatriotic.
Its also the media's fault and medias war. If the NY TIMEs, LA TIMES, CNN, FOX, CBS, ABC, had all done their jobs and actually researched some stuff, they could have come out prior to March 2003 and said, "we investigated and this WMD crap is a lie". They didnt do this and in fact supported the war.
It is also our fault as citizens. As Daniel Ellsberg once said about Vietnam and Nixon, LBJ, Kennedy, Truman's efforts to lie to the american people about the war, "its a tribute to the citizens of the u.s. that our leaders felt they had to lie to us, its not a tribute, and its a shame, that americans so easily bought and believed what was told to us"
What does it matter if the war in iraq ends (which was the original question)? There will be other wars to come, because we let them take our military to war. We let them authorize the money for war. We let them expand the Pentagon. We're even letting them militarize this country (read: the military will be used to respond to events like flu pandemic or natural catastrophies).
Maybe I'm being pessimistic today. But the problem, the whole problem, is not this war right now, it's the whole entire system: elected officials, the judiciary, the media, the people and the international community, who think it's OK to go into somebody else's country and bomb the hell out of it in order to control their resources.
Iraq ends, or maybe not, but that's not going to stop the pentagon from finding the next target: Iran, Syria, maybe even Venezuela.
amen to that. Thats why I dont identify as democrat. Clinton started wars in Kosovo and dropped a bomb on Sudan. Thats just as wrong as the war in Iraq.
I recommend people read John Bellemy Fosters excellent book Naked Imperialism, where he argues that the war in iraq isnt all that rare. Capitalism and imperialism have gone hand in hand since the beginning of capitalism itself. The only way to eradicate the bloodshed is to get rid of the entire system, the entire civilization. This will be made clear when the Dems support the 100 billion dollars more for Iraq that Bush is wanting.
Capitalism breeds racism, and imperialism. Its only once we get rid of capitalism that all that ends
People die in traffic accidents or other things all the time even when there's not a war or occupation. Death happens....to everyone.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
But car accidents are, well, accidents.
An occupation is a deliberate act. There is one person (or group of persons) who made the decision to invade, shoot, bomb, etc.
If you do that with a car, it's called murder.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Id rather be at war for a while than suffer economic collapse.
Therefore... money is greater than human lives.
Hail, Hail!!!
So, killing in War... BAD. Death in Occupation... well, i can live with it.
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Makes sense to me... if I lived in the Bizzarro World.
Hail, Hail!!!
without money we die anyway.......
We are trainning Militia Men and Death Squads over there. Not intentionally, of course... but the Bush/Rumsfeld Plan of Quantity over Quality has allowed a lot of Vengence Seekers to get into uniform and pressed into duty.
Right now, our military is basically a referee in a Civil War. A referee who has lost control of the game because it fails to penalize either side of violations. Our guys are screwed because they are in a shitty situation that no one wants to deal with.
If you want to control the situation... you need MORE REFEREES. We need about 250,000 to 400,000 (ideal number would be 15 troops per 1,000 locals). If we are serious about 'Winning' this thing... maybe we should get serious about it.
Hail, Hail!!!
Not me. I don't eat money.
Hail, Hail!!!
hehehe, funny!
All's you need is all's you's guys to stop all's this fighting! -sorry i had to do it!
I can't disagree with much of that. My question is: Would you support pulling out if you knew more killing would occur than if we stay?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
We already KNOW there will be more killing... whenever we leave... whether it's tomorrow, next year or 10 years from now. In the maentime... the killing continues.
Do you believe these guys will ever stop killing each other? Their justification is Vengence. The killing will stop once the vengence goes away. How long is that going to take.
Hail, Hail!!!