I'm not a fan of choke chains, and have never used them on my dogs. However, in the hands of someone who knows how to use them, they can be both effective and non-abusive.
I'd like to get one for my dog.. If only because I'm pissed off at the fucker for knocking over the $250 fountain I bought my wife last summer. Broke both the heads of the cherubs, so we've got headless cherubs on our fountain..
fuckin dog..
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I used one with my dog when she was going through training. I don't think they should be illegal. They don't kill the bloody dog and I wouldn't call it torture or cruel.
Its a kind of chain collar, where one loop fits inside the other, then you attach the leash to one of the loops, so if the dog pulls harder on the leash, the collar gets tighter around their neck.
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I'd like to get one for my dog.. If only because I'm pissed off at the fucker for knocking over the $250 fountain I bought my wife last summer. Broke both the heads of the cherubs, so we've got headless cherubs on our fountain..
fuckin dog..
Maybe you should be mad at yourself for buying something with cherubs in the first place.
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Its a kind of chain collar, where one loop fits inside the other, then you attach the leash to one of the loops, so if the dog pulls harder on the leash, the collar gets tighter around their neck.
they also have models w/ little prong like things that dig into the neck area, too! :eek:
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I used one with my dog when she was going through training. I don't think they should be illegal. They don't kill the bloody dog and I wouldn't call it torture or cruel.
A choke chain, when properly used, has nothing to do with suffocation. If someone is suffocating their dog with a choke chain, that's abuse, and it has little to do with the choke chain.
we used one on my dog growing up while we were training her. She didn't complain, and she was able to be trained rather quickly. It's meant to be used as a quick jolt and it puts the pressure around the neck equally, unlike a conventional collar. If you use it incorrect it is torture and very cruel. If you use it correctly it isn't.
we used one on my dog growing up while we were training her. She didn't complain, and she was able to be trained rather quickly. It's meant to be used as a quick jolt and it puts the pressure around the neck equally, unlike a conventional collar. If you use it incorrect it is torture and very cruel. If you use it correctly it isn't.
It also, in some respects is safer for the dog. A regular collar worn all the time should be loose enough that the dog can slip out of it if they absolutely have to (so if it gets caught on something they dont choke to death), and if you are walking a dog along a main road, and something spooks them, they could, in theory slip out of a regular collar putting themselves, you, and motorist in danger. The choke chain, because it tightens when pulled is virtually impossible to escape out of.
Choke Chains should not be left on a dog at all times, and only used when you are in control of it, so the dog isnt injured by it, but is not abusive if you dont use it that way.
they also have models w/ little prong like things that dig into the neck area, too! :eek:
And if someone put it on you, that would hurt like hell. But, thankfully, a dog has both thicker hair and thicker skin than you do, which is the whole purpose of the prongs to begin with.
If you're using a collar like that to "dig" into a dog's skin, you're misusing it.
And if someone put it on you, that would hurt like hell. But, thankfully, a dog has both thicker hair and thicker skin than you do, which is the whole purpose of the prongs to begin with.
If you're using a collar like that to "dig" into a dog's skin, you're misusing it.
Yes, the prongs are on it as flair, not to increase pain to obey.
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I don't think I've ever heard of a dog suffocating to death from a choke chain. They are designed to be used as a sharp tug and they should immediately release.
I don't think I've ever heard of a dog suffocating to death from a choke chain. They are designed to be used as a sharp tug and they should immediately release.
lots of things are designed for a certain purpose but are misused....these were made to train, not torture, dosen't mean someone can't use it that way! leashes are for walking dogs around, yet i've seen kids dragging their dogs by them and snapping it real quick to jerk them...
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Yes, the prongs are on it as flair, not to increase pain to obey.
:rolleyes:
Again, it's not about pain. If you misuse a choke collar, a dog is certainly going to be in pain. But if you use it correctly, it's no different than grabbing a dog by the scruff or doing the things a mother dog would do its pups.
The fact remains that the dog is made aware of the possibility of suffocation even though it is not being suffocated. Otherwise, what purpose does the choke chain have?
That's why it's "obey or suffocate". If you did not suffocate your dog with the choke chain, it's because the dog chose to obey instead of suffocate.
lots of things are designed for a certain purpose but are misused....these were made to train, not torture, dosen't mean someone can't use it that way! leashes are for walking dogs around, yet i've seen kids dragging their dogs by them and snapping it real quick to jerk them...
should we ban just about everything then? I mean everything has a purpose that is made and everything doesn't have to be used for that purpose. We should ban hammers, screwdrivers then b/c those can cause damage to people/ things when used inappropriately. People should not be using the choker chains if they don't know how to use them and a parent should show their child the appropriate way to use the collar.
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The fact remains that the dog is made aware of the possibility of suffocation even though it is not being suffocated. Otherwise, what purpose does the choke chain have?
That's why it's "obey or suffocate". If you did not suffocate your dog with the choke chain, it's because the dog chose to obey instead of suffocate.
Huh? Choke chains work by sound and by tactile pressue, not by choking. If you're cutting off air flow to your dog, you're misusing choke chains and likely using them in a counterproductive way. A choke chain should never be used to literally choke a dog.
The fact remains that the dog is made aware of the possibility of suffocation even though it is not being suffocated. Otherwise, what purpose does the choke chain have?
That's why it's "obey or suffocate". If you did not suffocate your dog with the choke chain, it's because the dog chose to obey instead of suffocate.
thus the use for obedience training.
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The fact remains that the dog is made aware of the possibility of suffocation even though it is not being suffocated. Otherwise, what purpose does the choke chain have?
That's why it's "obey or suffocate". If you did not suffocate your dog with the choke chain, it's because the dog chose to obey instead of suffocate.
Huh? Choke chains work by sound and by tactile pressue, not by choking. If you're cutting off air flow to your dog, you're misusing choke chains and likely using them in a counterproductive way. A choke chain should never be used to literally choke a dog.
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Why buy a chain, when a sleeper hold or a scorpion death lock would suffice?
Laziness, I guess.
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They shouldn't be illegal.
Couldn't the same be said about other types of leashes?
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
fuckin dog..
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http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Its a kind of chain collar, where one loop fits inside the other, then you attach the leash to one of the loops, so if the dog pulls harder on the leash, the collar gets tighter around their neck.
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Maybe you should be mad at yourself for buying something with cherubs in the first place.
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Not sure about using 'em on dogs though.
they also have models w/ little prong like things that dig into the neck area, too! :eek:
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Obey or suffocate? That's not torture?
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
A choke chain, when properly used, has nothing to do with suffocation. If someone is suffocating their dog with a choke chain, that's abuse, and it has little to do with the choke chain.
we used one on my dog growing up while we were training her. She didn't complain, and she was able to be trained rather quickly. It's meant to be used as a quick jolt and it puts the pressure around the neck equally, unlike a conventional collar. If you use it incorrect it is torture and very cruel. If you use it correctly it isn't.
http://www.dog-training-academy.com/news/choker-chain.htm
It also, in some respects is safer for the dog. A regular collar worn all the time should be loose enough that the dog can slip out of it if they absolutely have to (so if it gets caught on something they dont choke to death), and if you are walking a dog along a main road, and something spooks them, they could, in theory slip out of a regular collar putting themselves, you, and motorist in danger. The choke chain, because it tightens when pulled is virtually impossible to escape out of.
Choke Chains should not be left on a dog at all times, and only used when you are in control of it, so the dog isnt injured by it, but is not abusive if you dont use it that way.
And if someone put it on you, that would hurt like hell. But, thankfully, a dog has both thicker hair and thicker skin than you do, which is the whole purpose of the prongs to begin with.
If you're using a collar like that to "dig" into a dog's skin, you're misusing it.
Yes, the prongs are on it as flair, not to increase pain to obey.
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Ignorance is Strength
lots of things are designed for a certain purpose but are misused....these were made to train, not torture, dosen't mean someone can't use it that way! leashes are for walking dogs around, yet i've seen kids dragging their dogs by them and snapping it real quick to jerk them...
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
:rolleyes:
Again, it's not about pain. If you misuse a choke collar, a dog is certainly going to be in pain. But if you use it correctly, it's no different than grabbing a dog by the scruff or doing the things a mother dog would do its pups.
That's why it's "obey or suffocate". If you did not suffocate your dog with the choke chain, it's because the dog chose to obey instead of suffocate.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
should we ban just about everything then? I mean everything has a purpose that is made and everything doesn't have to be used for that purpose. We should ban hammers, screwdrivers then b/c those can cause damage to people/ things when used inappropriately. People should not be using the choker chains if they don't know how to use them and a parent should show their child the appropriate way to use the collar.
Huh? Choke chains work by sound and by tactile pressue, not by choking. If you're cutting off air flow to your dog, you're misusing choke chains and likely using them in a counterproductive way. A choke chain should never be used to literally choke a dog.
thus the use for obedience training.
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No, its not. Its restriction, not punishment.
Then there is no need for a choke chain.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
In most cases there's no need for the dog either. Perhaps you should make them illegal too.
Choke chains are not your problem. Stupid and/or angry people are your problem. Try not to be like them.