Nifong disbarred

inmytree

Taft wrote:

No one is portraying them as completely innocent, they ARE completely innocent.

so you say...

innocent is a subjective term....

listen, I'm glad our justice system worked in this situation...my point is this, they chose to hire a random stripper to dance at party, which happened to provide booze to underage people...the choice in doing so lead to some unintended consequences...plan and simple...

is that hard to understand...?

Taft

inmytree wrote:

so you say...

innocent is a subjective term....

listen, I'm glad our justice system worked in this situation...my point is this, they chose to hire a random stripper to dance at party, which happened to provide booze to underage people...the choice in doing so lead to some unintended consequences...plan and simple...

is that hard to understand...?

NO, not "so I say." So says the AG of the state you live in, who not only dropped the charges but declared them "innocent." His words, not mine.

I can't see how anyone can say the the consequences were justified because the kids had a party. It is so dismissive of what really went on here.

This was more or less a once in a lifetime injustice, the AG declared them innocent, and the DA was disbarred. That is about as common as a unicorn sighting.

inmytree

Taft wrote:

NO, not "so I say." So says the AG of the state you live in, who not only dropped the charges but declared them "innocent." His words, not mine.

I can't see how anyone can say the the consequences were justified because the kids had a party. It is so dismissive of what really went on here.

This was more or less a once in a lifetime injustice, the AG declared them innocent, and the DA was disbarred. That is about as common as a unicorn sighting.

It must be tough, you know, being so black and white in a world full of gray....

anyhoo...people make choices...they made a choice...it didn't go so well....

yes, nifong is gone...yes, the AG declared them "innocent"...yes, all college kids party...and yes, they made a choice to attend a party with a stripper, and lots of alcohol....tell me again, how'd that end up for them...?

you see, I understand your point, and I don't disagree with you...however, I doubt you can grasp my point...

Taft

inmytree wrote:

It must be tough, you know, being so black and white in a world full of gray....

anyhoo...people make choices...they made a choice...it didn't go so well....

yes, nifong is gone...yes, the AG declared them "innocent"...yes, all college kids party...and yes, they made a choice to attend a party with a stripper, and lots of alcohol....tell me again, how'd that end up for them...?

you see, I understand your point, and I don't disagree with you...however, I doubt you can grasp my point...

haha, I can "grasp" your point, and it is hogwash and inapplicable to this set of facts.

Seriously, think about what happened before issuing a standard, "they made some bad choices and got burnt." You are the one who cannot grasp what happened here, and you are connecting point A to point C, without looking at point B.

Yes they had a party, and yes a woman falsely cried rape. If that was all that happened I could see your point, not that I would agree, but i could understand your prespective.

However, the DA was crooked. It should have ended there, a cursory review of the evidence, would have lead to the charges being dropped and no one would have ever heard about this matter. Instead the DA, along with many in the media attacked the players for months (did you watch Nancy Grace during this time period?) and then the DA indicted them, which eventually lead to his disbarment.

Forever, those 3 kids will have the "Duke rape suspect" tag attached to them. If the DA had done his job, you likely wouldn't even know Duke had a lacrosse team. To say that the party and their arguably poor judgment were causually related to the outcome is a stretch.

Taft

bootlegger10 wrote:

Sorry, the last interview I heard yesterday said the players were thinking about suing the school and that the coach was already involved in a suit. I don't follow this story that closely, because I don't care about anyone involved. They all fucked up.

Just announced that today Duke offered a settlement to the 3 boys, which was accepted. So your worries are over now.

http://www.newsobserver.com/content/news/crime_safety/duke_lacrosse/story_graphics/20070618_statement.pdf

inmytree

Taft wrote:

haha, I can "grasp" your point, and it is hogwash and inapplicable to this set of facts.

Seriously, think about what happened before issuing a standard, "they made some bad choices and got burnt." You are the one who cannot grasp what happened here, and you are connecting point A to point C, without looking at point B.

Yes they had a party, and yes a woman falsely cried rape. If that was all that happened I could see your point, not that I would agree, but i could understand your prespective.

However, the DA was crooked. It should have ended there, a cursory review of the evidence, would have lead to the charges being dropped and no one would have ever heard about this matter. Instead the DA, along with many in the media attacked the players for months (did you watch Nancy Grace during this time period?) and then the DA indicted them, which eventually lead to his disbarment.

Forever, those 3 kids will have the "Duke rape suspect" tag attached to them. If the DA had done his job, you likely wouldn't even know Duke had a lacrosse team. To say that the party and their arguably poor judgment were causually related to the outcome is a stretch.

question: would we be talking about this case if they did not hire a stripper to entertain at their party...?

Cosmo

Duke LaCross.
...
Doesn't that sound like a great name for an anti-terrorist Special Forces action hero?
Sgt. Duke LaCross of the super secret Special Ops forces known as Omega X... finds his way into the deepest tunnels in Pakistan and bare-handedly strangles Usama Bin Laden... who has this Darth Vader-like armor suit built by the French and Germans that gives him super human strength.

Taft

inmytree wrote:

question: would we be talking about this case if they did not hire a stripper to entertain at their party...?

No, and that is called a "but for" cause. In fact, one could argue that, "but for" every single thing that the players did, and the strippers did (both "right" and "wrong") prior to that moment, in their entire lives, this would not have happened.

Now, for those willing to go beyond the lowest level of reason, they would look to "intervening" causes, which actually matter. That is, the 1) false claim of rape; and 2) negligent actions of the DA as the real reason this happened. NOT the party.

sponger

Cosmo wrote:

Duke LaCross.
...
Doesn't that sound like a great name for an anti-terrorist Special Forces action hero?
Sgt. Duke LaCross of the super secret Special Ops forces known as Omega X... finds his way into the deepest tunnels in Pakistan and bare-handedly strangles Usama Bin Laden... who has this Darth Vader-like armor suit built by the French and Germans that gives him super human strength.

lmao.

Teslarocker

Disbarment was nice. But it isn't enough. He needs to be brought up on criminal charges after what he's done