Nifong disbarred

sponger

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19264396/

District Attorney Mike Nifong was disbarred Saturday for his “selfish” rape prosecution of three Duke University lacrosse players — a politically motivated act, his judges said, that he inexplicably allowed to fester for months after it was clear the defendants were innocent.

brain of c

now he should cover the legal fees he caused.

Uncle Leo

Three things I take from this whole fiasco.

1. Political correctness HAS run amock. The right is correct. Sure, they overuse the term "PC". But it can cause legitimate problems, and not just annoyances. Nifong was scared of being percieved as sticking up for the privaleged, rich, white guys. Polticial correctness run amock.

2. Jobs like this should not be elected. A lawyer, who's job it is to decide who to prosecute and not prosecute, should not have a "political career" to think about.

3. Why has nothing happened to the accuser. She just made this up (thereby doing a disservice to future legitimate rape accusers). Just because a rape conviction does not come about (i.e. the Kobe case), does not mean that the accuser has knowingly committed a crime. However, it seems that she just flat out made this up. It was not a simple "he said/she said." She ruined three lives for seemingly no reason. Why no action against her?

sponger

I think the answer to #3 is that doing so would discourage future rape victims from testifying because it's already hard enough for them as it is. If there were serious consequences for being proven wrong, there would cease to be rape trials.

bootlegger10

Hopefully this story will finally go away. I don't feel sorry for anyone in this case. Maybe these idiots will think twice before they bring in some drunk stripper to party with.

blackredyellow

bootlegger10 wrote:

Hopefully this story will finally go away. I don't feel sorry for anyone in this case. Maybe these idiots will think twice before they bring in some drunk stripper to party with.

Yeah, but it's college... and bringing a stripper to a party is not illegal. Have you ever been to a bachelor party with a stripper? All it takes is for one made up allegation and your life can be ruined.

It doesn't even have to be a stripper... I went to enough college sports parties when I was in school to see how some girls will do anything to be with the star player... While yes, the guys are sleezeballs, if one of those girls who was so willing the night before regrets it in the morning and goes to the police with a story, they guy's life can be changed forever. The sad thing is there are enough girls that get taken advantage of and even raped, but people who make up things for their personal gain make it even harder for them.

bootlegger10

blackredyellow wrote:

Have you ever been to a bachelor party with a stripper?

Nope, my friends weren't perverts. You (not meaning you) wanna have sex with some drunk girl at a party that you don't know, then you'll have to deal with the fact that it is some drunk girl that you don't know.

But, they are LaCrosse players. Should we expect anything different?

Gary Carter

bootlegger10 wrote:

Nope, my friends weren't perverts. You (not meaning you) wanna have sex with some drunk girl at a party that you don't know, then you'll have to deal with the fact that it is some drunk girl that you don't know.

But, they are LaCrosse players. Should we expect anything different?

dude the stripper made up the whole story, her friend ratted her out from day one. justice was done in thise case.just sucks the amount of shit people did to the coach and players, more so the coach. go pick up the new book out by the fromer duke lacrosse coach, very good read.

NCBRI

Nifong got what he deserved. He has a responsibility to follow the law not some gut feeling he has about someone's guilt or innocence. He used this case to get reelected. Pushing the case forward is one thing, but he turned it into a spectacle from day 1 and of course the media latched on like the parasites they are. Never mind the fact that there was never any definitive evidence to support the rape claim. He's been reading too many John Grisham novels.

As far as the former coach, it's unfortunate that he lost his job over this issue, but I don't think this will have too big of an effect on him. He won't have trouble finding a new coaching job (he may already have, I cant remember). And actually, you can take out the rape accusation and there have been other off the field issues with several of the players on this team over the last few years and you could argue that he and the university didn't do a good enough job with disciplining players.

bootlegger10

metsfan531941 wrote:

dude the stripper made up the whole story, her friend ratted her out from day one. justice was done in thise case.just sucks the amount of shit people did to the coach and players, more so the coach. go pick up the new book out by the fromer duke lacrosse coach, very good read.

Dude, I know she made up the story and the DA was brutal. I just don't feel that much empathy for the lacrosse players. Sorry. If you don't bring drunk, coked strippers into your home, or have sex with random, drunk girls, these kinds of accusations don't turn up that much.

hippiemom

I DO feel sorry for the Duke lacrosse players. They may have been spoiled brats with an unreasonable sense of entitlement (and they may not have been ... I don't know them, I'm not casting any aspersions). But to say that because they've behaved badly in some ways that it's no big deal to charge them with rape is nuts. That's like saying that because I used drugs, it's no big deal to charge me with running an international drug ring. There are huge differences between various behaviors and crimes, and people should only be held accountable for what they have actually done.

As for the woman, she should absolutely be charged. One reason rape victims find it so difficult to come forward is concern that they won't be believed. They often aren't believed because there's a perception out there that women run around filing rape charges willy-nilly for all sorts of stupid reasons. It's extremely uncommon for a woman to do that, but all it takes is one high-profile case like this to deepen that perception and cast doubt on every rape that's reported. If we want women to be believed (and I think that we can all agree that we do), we have to come down hard on women who make blatantly, provably false accusations. That will make it easier, not harder, for women who have been truly victimized to come forward. The woman in this case has done a horrible thing not only to the lacrosse players, but to women everywhere who are now more likely to find their stories doubted, particularly women on the fringes of society. Strippers DO get raped, but they're going to have a harder time prosecuting their rapists now because of what this woman did.

bootlegger10

hippiemom wrote:

I DO feel sorry for the Duke lacrosse players. They may have been spoiled brats with an unreasonable sense of entitlement (and they may not have been ... I don't know them, I'm not casting any aspersions). But to say that because they've behaved badly in some ways that it's no big deal to charge them with rape is nuts. That's like saying that because I used drugs, it's no big deal to charge me with running an international drug ring. There are huge differences between various behaviors and crimes, and people should only be held accountable for what they have actually done.

I never said that they deserved or it was okay that they were charged with rape. What I did say was that I do not feel sorry for them because they brought this drunk stripper into their home. You wanna hang around and associate with that crowd, then you may get burned. Should you? No, but you can and that is why I do not feel as sorry for them as everyone else seems to be.

My bigger problem is that the students and coach are going to sue Duke (or at least the coach is). Like Duke would not have done what any other school would have done. Hell, CBS and NBC were ordered by the public to fire Imus for just comments! You can't sue Duke, you have to sue our culture for rushing to judgments and being politically correct.

hippiemom

bootlegger10 wrote:

I never said that they deserved or it was okay that they were charged with rape. What I did say was that I do not feel sorry for them because they brought this drunk stripper into their home. You wanna hang around and associate with that crowd, then you may get burned. Should you? No, but you can and that is why I do not feel as sorry for them as everyone else seems to be.

My bigger problem is that the students and coach are going to sue Duke (or at least the coach is). Like Duke would not have done what any other school would have done. Hell, CBS and NBC were ordered by the public to fire Imus for just comments! You can't sue Duke, you have to sue our culture for rushing to judgments and being politically correct.

Duke is accountable for it's actions regardless of what any other school may or may not have done. I don't know nearly enough about this case to even hazard a guess as to whether Duke was out of line or not, but the details will all come out in court and a decision will be made there.

CBS and NBC weren't "ordered" to do anything. They made a business decision based on the desires of their viewers and listeners. They decided that their companies weren't well represented by Imus, which is fine with me. If they'd decided otherwise, that would have been fine with me too.

Taft

bootlegger10,

You are still holding to this small-minded view point? I'd love to know what happened in your past for you to make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people (lacrosse players).

Also, if you are going to spout your BS, at least get your facts straight. The coach isn't going to sue Duke, he was already offered a settlement from Duke and quietly accepted it....find a new topic, or group of kids to spew your hate at...

AstroFan

bootlegger10 wrote:

I never said that they deserved or it was okay that they were charged with rape. What I did say was that I do not feel sorry for them because they brought this drunk stripper into their home. You wanna hang around and associate with that crowd, then you may get burned. Should you? No, but you can and that is why I do not feel as sorry for them as everyone else seems to be.

Are your opinions consistent on this? For example, would you feel sorry for a drunk stripper who was raped at a party, or would you say she should've been smarter?

bootlegger10

AstroFan wrote:

Are your opinions consistent on this? For example, would you feel sorry for a drunk stripper who was raped at a party, or would you say she should've been smarter?

Does anyone deserve to be raped? No. Will I feel less sorry for a drunk stripper or drunk sorority sister who is raped than for a sober woman walking to her car in a parking garage? Yes. More people should think like this.

bootlegger10

Taft wrote:

bootlegger10,

You are still holding to this small-minded view point? I'd love to know what happened in your past for you to make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people (lacrosse players).

Also, if you are going to spout your BS, at least get your facts straight. The coach isn't going to sue Duke, he was already offered a settlement from Duke and quietly accepted it....find a new topic, or group of kids to spew your hate at...

Sorry, the last interview I heard yesterday said the players were thinking about suing the school and that the coach was already involved in a suit. I don't follow this story that closely, because I don't care about anyone involved. They all fucked up.

At my school the lacrosse players were the wildest of the athletes, and I've heard that is common. Do I know that for a fact? No. Did I still make a joke about it here? Yep. Do I like to answer my own questions? You bet.

Is it more fun to say something on here that might anger someone than waste time actually posting on here to agree with something someone else has alread said? Yep.

"Oh, you think Nifong should be disbarred too? Wow, this is some amazing dialogue we got going!"

sponger

I was at a friend's bachelor party the other night. We had a couple of strippers there. I don't know how a person should define "pervert", but it's hard for me to see any of my friends as being one.

And as for screwing drunk girls at parties, I'd say it sounds like someone is just a little pissed about never having had the opportunity.

bootlegger10

sponger wrote:

I was at a friend's bachelor party the other night. We had a couple of strippers there. I don't know how a person should define "pervert", but it's hard for me to see any of my friends as being one.

And as for screwing drunk girls at parties, I'd say it sounds like someone is just a little pissed about never having had the opportunity.

I didn't go to any parties in college. I do not like being around drunk people. You brought a woman into your party so that she could take all her clothes off for you. That is perverted.

inmytree

bootlegger10 wrote:

I never said that they deserved or it was okay that they were charged with rape. What I did say was that I do not feel sorry for them because they brought this drunk stripper into their home. You wanna hang around and associate with that crowd, then you may get burned. Should you? No, but you can and that is why I do not feel as sorry for them as everyone else seems to be.

I happen to agree with the above...

while many want to portray those accused as completely innocent victims...they chose to hire a random stripper to dance at a key party full of underage students...

they played with fire and got burnt...

Taft

inmytree wrote:

I happen to agree with the above...

while many want to portray those accused as completely innocent victims...they chose to hire a random stripper to dance at a key party full of underage students...

they played with fire and got burnt...

No one is portraying them as completely innocent, they ARE completely innocent.