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gimmesometruth27 said:Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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I think the chance that Trump raps at one of his rallies just got a bump. I hope it happens.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Gern Blansten said:gimmesometruth27 said:
meaning that if you are a minority working at fox news you have to be able to let one stereotype slide. but if a second ridiculous stereotype is said, THEN you can be like wtf?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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OnWis97 said:I think the chance that Trump raps at one of his rallies just got a bump. I hope it happens."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Donald Trump’s con-man hustle for the African American vote is cringeworthy, cynical, infuriating, insulting, racist, super-racist — take your pick. Just don’t call it sincere. And don’t expect it to work.
On Friday night, speaking to an audience mostly of Black conservatives in Columbia, S.C., Trump likened his indictment on 91 felony charges to historic discrimination against African Americans. “A lot of people said that’s why the Black people liked me, because they had been hurt so badly and discriminated against. And they actually viewed me as I’m being discriminated against,” Trump said.
He added that “the Black people” are “on my side now because they see what’s happening to me happens to them.” Presenting himself as some sort of martyr for civil rights, he claimed that “I am being indicted for you, the Black population.”
And there’s more: Trump claimed that African Americans are especially drawn to him by the mug shot that was taken when he surrendered to custody on felony charges in Fulton County, Ga. “The mug shot, we’ve all seen the mug shot, and you know who embraced it more than anybody else? The Black population. It’s incredible. You see Black people walking around with my mug shot, you know, they do shirts,” Trump said.
For the record, none of the Black right-wing luminaries who joined Trump at the campaign event — a group that included Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) and former housing secretary Ben Carson — stormed off the stage. Donalds later went so far as to defend Trump’s remarks. I guess hearing African Americans stereotyped as ignorant, gullible and criminally inclined doesn’t bother some folks.
In honor of Black History Month, let’s review a bit of Trump’s historywith Black people. In 1973, his real estate company was sued by the Justice Department for discrimination against African American renters; the company entered a consent decree promising to end the practice. In 1989, Trump took out full-page ads in four New York newspapers urging the state to “bring back the death penalty” in reference to the Central Park Five, a group of Black and Latino menwrongly convicted of a brutal rape; even after the men were exonerated, Trump refused to apologize.
Trump launched his career in politics by making himself the most prominent advocate of the racist “birther” conspiracy theory falsely alleging that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. During Trump’s first year in the White House — after a rally by white supremacists and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville led to the death of a counterprotester — Trump said there were “some very fine people on both sides.” In 2018, referring to immigration figures, Trump referred to Central American, Caribbean and African countries as “shitholes” that “send us the people they don’t want.” And that’s in addition to Trump’s opposition to views held by majorities of African Americans on issues such as affirmative action and voting rights.
Trump won 12 percent of the Black vote in 2020. That was more than GOP presidential candidates usually get — but still, just 12 percent. Republicans have been salivating over recent polls showing more African American support for Trump this time around, along with relatively tepid approval of President Biden.
But on the one occasion so far when substantial numbers of Black votershave had the opportunity to cast ballots — the admittedly not-very-competitive Democratic primary in South Carolina earlier this month — they showed greater enthusiasm for Biden’s reelection than other Democrats did.
In election after election, the African American vote has been fool’s gold for the Republican Party. The problem is not that there are no Black conservatives; in fact, there are many. It is that the GOP, broadly, has faced African Americans with cluelessness or outright hostility. When Republican officials such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis try to censor African American history so that no one feels uncomfortable, or when GOP candidate Nikki Haley insists that “America has never been a racist country,” the party’s credibility among Black voters tends to evaporate.
Trump’s crude rhetorical pandering is certainly a different approach. But not in a good way.
In his speech Friday, Trump boasted of getting a better deal on the cost of a new Air Force One than the Obama administration had negotiated — a claim that turns out to be utterly false. He asked,“Would you rather have the Black president or the White president who got $1.7 billion off the price?” The crowd of African American conservatives applauded, and Trump boasted, “I think they want the White guy.”
Obviously, I can’t speak for allAfrican Americans. But my prediction is no, not really. No, we don’t.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/26/trump-black-voters-pitch-2024/
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And the nut, or should I say, the poisonous fruit, doesn’t fall far from the tree.
In 1927, Donald Trump’s father was arrested after a Klan riot in Queens
When he was asked on CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday whether he would condemn the praise of former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke, Donald Trump declined to disavow Duke's comments."I don’t know anything about David Duke, okay," Trump said. "I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. I don't know, did he endorse me? Or what's going on. Because I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists."
In 2000, Trump declined to run for president as a member of the Reform Party because the "Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep." As Trump himself noted on Twitter, he also disavowed Duke in a news conference earlier this week.
But this incident also brings to mind another report, unearthed in September by the technology blog Boing Boing.
On Memorial Day 1927, brawls erupted in New York led by sympathizers of the Italian fascist movement and the Ku Klux Klan. In the fascist brawl, which took place in the Bronx, two Italian men were killed by anti-fascists. In Queens, 1,000 white-robed Klansmen marched through the Jamaica neighborhood, eventually spurring an all-out brawl in which seven men were arrested.
One of those arrested was Fred Trump of 175-24 Devonshire Rd. in Jamaica.
This is Donald Trump's father. Trump had a brother named Fred, but he wasn't born until more than a decade later. The Fred Trump at Devonshire Road was the Fred C. Trump who lived there with his mother, according to the 1930 Census.The predication for the Klan to march, according to a flier passed around Jamaica beforehand, was that "Native-born Protestant Americans" were being "assaulted by Roman Catholic police of New York City." "Liberty and Democracy have been trampled upon," it continued, "when native-born Protestant Americans dare to organize to protect one flag, the American flag; one school, the public school; and one language, the English language."It's not clear from the context what role Fred Trump played in the brawl. The news article simply notes that seven men were arrested in the "near-riot of the parade," all of whom were represented by the same lawyers. Update: A contemporaneous article from the Daily Star notes that Trump was detained "on a charge of refusing to disperse from a parade when ordered to do so."When news of the old report surfaced last year, Donald Trump vehemently denied his father's arrest. "He was never arrested. He has nothing to do with this. This never happened. This is nonsense and it never happened," he said to the Daily Mail. "This never happened. Never took place. He was never arrested, never convicted, never even charged. It's a completely false, ridiculous story. He was never there! It never happened. Never took place."Given the politics and cultural constraints of 1927, the Klan wasn't the sort of thing that a politician would necessarily be asked to condemn. An article in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle from that December notes that the Klan would probably weigh in heavily against the potential presidential nomination of then-New York Gov. Al Smith, given that he was a Catholic and a "champion of 'alienism.'"
It's worth noting that Trump's comments came one day after another Klan brawl, this time in Anaheim, Calif. Thirteen people were arrested and three were stabbed after a Klan rally turned violent. And it's worth noting, too, as did Jonathan Chait at New York magazine, that Trump's claim to "know nothing" about white supremacists echoes the language of the 19th-century "Know Nothing" party — a nativist group that supported only Protestants for public office.
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Search QueryWOSU 89.7All SidesAll SidesWOSU 89.7Family of slain Ukrainian journalist sues Fox News, alleging a cover-upPublished March 14, 2024 at 11:30 PM EDTEfrem Lukatsky/APA priest prays over the coffin of Oleksandra "Sasha" Kuvshynova, a Ukrainian journalist killed while working for Fox News in March 2022. Her parents have sued Fox News alleging wrongful death, fraud and defamation.
On the second anniversary of a young journalist's killing in Ukraine, her family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Fox News, the broadcaster that sent her on a dangerous assignment, and accused it of a cover-up.
The suit, filed in a New York City courthouse, is steeped in the tragic nature of the incident at its core.
Oleksandra "Sasha" Kuvshynova, who was 24, accompanied Fox News correspondent Benjamin Hall and veteran videographer Pierre Zakrzewski on a reporting trip outside Kyiv, just weeks after Russia's invasion in March 2022.
In the suit, her parents say Fox did not take adequate care to protect its reporting team, pressuring them to venture into hazardous terrain despite a series of warnings from local residents and its security contractors. The lawsuit, filed jointly with a security consultant, alleges wrongful death, fraud and defamation.
The three journalists ventured into the Kyiv suburbs during fierce fighting. Kuvshynova and Zakrzewski were killed by Russian shelling; Hall was seriously injured but survived. The Kuvshynovas claim Fox masked its actions and lied in subsequent statements to deceive the journalists' families and the public.
'It's time for Fox to come clean'
"It's time for Fox to come clean for her, for better or worse, and deal with the consequences," Stephen Humphreys, the family's attorney, told NPR in an interview. "The thing that's most important for the Kuvshynovas, when they think about their daughter, is that this doesn't ever happen to anybody else again."
After her death, her parents say Fox offered her father compensation that covered Kuvshynova's back pay, life insurance coverage and funeral expenses, but made him sign a document waiving all claims against the company. The suit said he had no idea of the contractual concessions he was entering into.
Their lawsuit also accuses Fox of perpetuating false accounts through Hall's recounting in his memoir Saved: A War Reporter's Mission to Make It Home, published last year by HarperCollins, a corporate cousin of Fox. Hall is named as a defendant, too.
"The actual circumstances of Sasha's death — which contradict the official accounts given by Fox, Ben Hall, and HarperCollins — were only uncovered through investigation by their counsel almost two years later. New information, and new contradictions, are still being uncovered to this day," the lawsuit states.
In a statement to NPR, Fox News Media said specific alleged elements were wrong, without offering more detail. It rejected the broader sweep of the suit.
'The safety of our journalists has always been our number one priority'
"While we understand the grief and continue to mourn the loss of both Pierre Zakrzewski and Sasha Kuvshynova, we will respectfully defend against the inaccurate claims within this lawsuit," the statement from Fox News reads. "The safety of our journalists has always been our number one priority and we are immensely grateful to the FOX News reporters who have covered the war in Ukraine and we remain committed to reporting from the region."
Hall recently traveled back to Ukraine and interviewed the country's president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy. In an appearance Thursday morning on the network's Fox & Friends on the second anniversary of the attacks, Hall said he felt optimistic about life after his near-death experience, but sought to honor his slain colleagues.
"The most important part of today is remembering those who didn't come back," Hall said. "We have to remember the work they were doing, the things they were passionate about. They were going around the world to bring the news and the images to our viewers because they thought it was so important."
Along with the network and Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott, the lawsuit names Fox's parent company, Fox Corp., and Fox founder Rupert Murdoch. Through a spokesperson, the company and the corporate titan deferred comment to Fox News. Efforts to seek comment from officials at HarperCollins, the publisher of Hall's book, through its parent company, News Corp., were unsuccessful. Like Fox, both are ultimately controlled by Murdoch and his son Lachlan.
The suit is joined by a former security adviser who worked for a consulting firm that Fox News hired to protect its reporting teams in Ukraine. Shane Thomson, a former British security consultant, acted as one of two security advisers in the country for the network under the consulting firm SEPAR International, according to the suit. NPR's inquiry to SEPAR was not returned.
A series of desperate warnings, the lawsuit alleges
The lawsuit alleges that Fox did not take adequate care to protect its reporting team, pressuring them to venture into hazardous terrain despite a series of warnings, from a local mayor, from a former military colleague of Thomson and from Thomson himself. A U.S. journalist, the documentary filmmaker Brent Renaud, had been killed just 24 hours earlier in the vicinity of the attack that killed the Fox reporters.
It further alleges that Thomson was shattered by the killings and Fox's directive to drive Zakrzewski's body in a hearse to Poland for his family.
The suit alleges that Fox staffers defamed him by spreading rumors he had abused alcohol in an effort to "shift blame" from the network to him. Thomson later attempted to take his own life, according to his legal team.
"That task of carrying Pierre out of Ukraine really weighed on him in a very bad way," says Humphreys, the family's attorney.
The lawsuit states that Zakrzewski's widow, Michelle Ross-Stanton, agreed to a wrongful death settlement agreement with Fox — additionally receiving insurance coverage and funeral expenses reserved for employees killed on duty.
In an interview with the Washington Post's Jeremy Barr in November 2022, she said she had investigated the incident herself, detailing her concerns about the lack of clarity surrounding it. And, she told the Post that the team of security consultants hired by Fox to work with its journalists in Ukraine was not traveling with them at the time of the attack.
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David Folkenflik was described by Geraldo Rivera of Fox News as "a really weak-kneed, backstabbing, sweaty-palmed reporter." Others have been kinder. The Columbia Journalism Review, for example, once gave him a "laurel" for reporting that immediately led the U.S. military to institute safety measures for journalists in Baghdad.
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CONCLUSION
The well-being of American households depends critically on their purchasing power. Inflation eats into purchasing power, and many Americans have felt the bite of higher prices in their budgets in this recovery. But at the same time, higher wages and increased employment have outweighed the negative from inflation, and overall purchasing power has increased for most households. The policies of this Administration have prioritized the well-being of American workers and their families—and these policies have worked. A stronger labor market has meant more bargaining power for workers, new and better jobs for workers to move into, and strong wages for millions more Americans.
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How's the reporting over here? I'm guessing its reporting on how the "real" America celebrated Memorial Day. Has Ruddy Ghouliani stepped up to a bank of microphones and expressed how disappointed he is? Who else?
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
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