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What difference does it make to demonize a nation for your own nation’s lack of intelligence and leadership? What difference does it make to defend your stupid ass POTUS because he “stopped it cold” coming from China, particularly when he was accused of being racist for doing so? Yea, what fucking difference does it make to better understand and deal with the facts of reality? None at all, apparently.
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I think you were responding to me, but I’m not sure because I said none of that. You seem to be big up Trump in every response, it’s weird. Who are you even quoting? I never said “stopped it cold”Halifax2TheMax said:What difference does it make to demonize a nation for your own nation’s lack of intelligence and leadership? What difference does it make to defend your stupid ass POTUS because he “stopped it cold” coming from China, particularly when he was accused of being racist for doing so? Yea, what fucking difference does it make to better understand and deal with the facts of reality? None at all, apparently.
They knew in November. What difference does it make?
All I asked was why would Fox want to spin that NY covid came through Europe and I NV get this rambling nonsense. So I take it there is no reason, like I thought.
The fact someone in Europe contracted covid and then brought it to NY does not excuse China for their role at all. It doesn’t change the fact China lied and continues to lie about thier role and numbers, that they denied experts from coming in, that they threatened their own doctors with prison. The fact it spread to Europe then NY changes none of that. So yeah, why would anyone need to spin that. That’s rhetorical at this point, I don’t feel like reading another rambling nonsense again. How you got I was defending Trump out of asking that question is beyond me.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
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It's because when pressured on Trump's lack of response, all Trump defenders, and Trump himself, point to the halting of Chinese flights. But as it turns out, the virus was brought in from Europe.mace1229 said:
I think you were responding to me, but I’m not sure because I said none of that. You seem to be big up Trump in every response, it’s weird. Who are you even quoting? I never said “stopped it cold”Halifax2TheMax said:What difference does it make to demonize a nation for your own nation’s lack of intelligence and leadership? What difference does it make to defend your stupid ass POTUS because he “stopped it cold” coming from China, particularly when he was accused of being racist for doing so? Yea, what fucking difference does it make to better understand and deal with the facts of reality? None at all, apparently.
They knew in November. What difference does it make?
All I asked was why would Fox want to spin that NY covid came through Europe and I NV get this rambling nonsense. So I take it there is no reason, like I thought.
The fact someone in Europe contracted covid and then brought it to NY does not excuse China for their role at all. It doesn’t change the fact China lied and continues to lie about thier role and numbers, that they denied experts from coming in, that they threatened their own doctors with prison. The fact it spread to Europe then NY changes none of that. So yeah, why would anyone need to spin that. That’s rhetorical at this point, I don’t feel like reading another rambling nonsense again. How you got I was defending Trump out of asking that question is beyond me.0 -
This exactly. It's the ONE SINGLE early action Trump took that was serious, and they've hung not just their hat, but their entire wardrobe on that hook.eddiec said:
It's because when pressured on Trump's lack of response, all Trump defenders, and Trump himself, point to the halting of Chinese flights. But as it turns out, the virus was brought in from Europe.mace1229 said:
I think you were responding to me, but I’m not sure because I said none of that. You seem to be big up Trump in every response, it’s weird. Who are you even quoting? I never said “stopped it cold”Halifax2TheMax said:What difference does it make to demonize a nation for your own nation’s lack of intelligence and leadership? What difference does it make to defend your stupid ass POTUS because he “stopped it cold” coming from China, particularly when he was accused of being racist for doing so? Yea, what fucking difference does it make to better understand and deal with the facts of reality? None at all, apparently.
They knew in November. What difference does it make?
All I asked was why would Fox want to spin that NY covid came through Europe and I NV get this rambling nonsense. So I take it there is no reason, like I thought.
The fact someone in Europe contracted covid and then brought it to NY does not excuse China for their role at all. It doesn’t change the fact China lied and continues to lie about thier role and numbers, that they denied experts from coming in, that they threatened their own doctors with prison. The fact it spread to Europe then NY changes none of that. So yeah, why would anyone need to spin that. That’s rhetorical at this point, I don’t feel like reading another rambling nonsense again. How you got I was defending Trump out of asking that question is beyond me.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
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Don’t think they would need to spin that, it doesn’t change anything and no one is surprised. The first case in Colorado was traced to Italy a month ago. Spreading from China to Europe to here doesn’t really mean anything. Or what am I missing, who cares if it came directly from China or via Europe, what difference does that make?Matts3221 said:I am sure it has already been said but Fox News has literally blood on its hands due to its shit coverage of this at the start. Also now Pence is stopping Fauci from going on CNN.
Also wondering how they are going to try to spin the report today that multiply studies show that the huge outbreak in NY is from Europe and not China.
Or the test that started in Jan are somehow Obamas fault cause you know that some how makes sense.
Honestly the FCC should pull their channel as news , they should not be allowed even say they are a news network.
I am surprised that Fauci is even someone Fox news will still talk about , I mean Tucker Carlson shit talks him.
A great Boston Hardcore band from the early 2000's The Suicide File has a great song "Fuck Fox News" check it out also check out the band their demo still blows my mind.
Some have already said what I would say , Trump and Fox have placed everything on this was all stopped and would have been so much worse had we not stopped travel to China even while Italy was exploding with cases. This has been their drum beat.However the epicenter of all of this is NYC and surrounding areas.
It really is not even an argument anymore Fox News liessssssss and it is a circle , Trump says something and the Fox repeats it and then Trump says the news is saying it , just keeps going and going and going.
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mace1229 said:
Don’t think they would need to spin that, it doesn’t change anything and no one is surprised. The first case in Colorado was traced to Italy a month ago. Spreading from China to Europe to here doesn’t really mean anything. Or what am I missing, who cares if it came directly from China or via Europe, what difference does that make?Matts3221 said:I am sure it has already been said but Fox News has literally blood on its hands due to its shit coverage of this at the start. Also now Pence is stopping Fauci from going on CNN.
Also wondering how they are going to try to spin the report today that multiply studies show that the huge outbreak in NY is from Europe and not China.
Or the test that started in Jan are somehow Obamas fault cause you know that some how makes sense.
Honestly the FCC should pull their channel as news , they should not be allowed even say they are a news network.
I am surprised that Fauci is even someone Fox news will still talk about , I mean Tucker Carlson shit talks him.
A great Boston Hardcore band from the early 2000's The Suicide File has a great song "Fuck Fox News" check it out also check out the band their demo still blows my mind.
It really doesn't. But the viewers will get more riled up about China than Europe. So I'd be surprised if Fox bothered with mentioning this.
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That's because white christians come from Europe.OnWis97 said:mace1229 said:
Don’t think they would need to spin that, it doesn’t change anything and no one is surprised. The first case in Colorado was traced to Italy a month ago. Spreading from China to Europe to here doesn’t really mean anything. Or what am I missing, who cares if it came directly from China or via Europe, what difference does that make?Matts3221 said:I am sure it has already been said but Fox News has literally blood on its hands due to its shit coverage of this at the start. Also now Pence is stopping Fauci from going on CNN.
Also wondering how they are going to try to spin the report today that multiply studies show that the huge outbreak in NY is from Europe and not China.
Or the test that started in Jan are somehow Obamas fault cause you know that some how makes sense.
Honestly the FCC should pull their channel as news , they should not be allowed even say they are a news network.
I am surprised that Fauci is even someone Fox news will still talk about , I mean Tucker Carlson shit talks him.
A great Boston Hardcore band from the early 2000's The Suicide File has a great song "Fuck Fox News" check it out also check out the band their demo still blows my mind.
It really doesn't. But the viewers will get more riled up about China than Europe. So I'd be surprised if Fox bothered with mentioning this.0 -
Race and color isn’t the reason for everything.Bentleyspop said:
That's because white christians come from Europe.OnWis97 said:mace1229 said:
Don’t think they would need to spin that, it doesn’t change anything and no one is surprised. The first case in Colorado was traced to Italy a month ago. Spreading from China to Europe to here doesn’t really mean anything. Or what am I missing, who cares if it came directly from China or via Europe, what difference does that make?Matts3221 said:I am sure it has already been said but Fox News has literally blood on its hands due to its shit coverage of this at the start. Also now Pence is stopping Fauci from going on CNN.
Also wondering how they are going to try to spin the report today that multiply studies show that the huge outbreak in NY is from Europe and not China.
Or the test that started in Jan are somehow Obamas fault cause you know that some how makes sense.
Honestly the FCC should pull their channel as news , they should not be allowed even say they are a news network.
I am surprised that Fauci is even someone Fox news will still talk about , I mean Tucker Carlson shit talks him.
A great Boston Hardcore band from the early 2000's The Suicide File has a great song "Fuck Fox News" check it out also check out the band their demo still blows my mind.
It really doesn't. But the viewers will get more riled up about China than Europe. So I'd be surprised if Fox bothered with mentioning this.0 -
But would it not be much worse had we not stopped travel from China?Matts3221 said:mace1229 said:
Don’t think they would need to spin that, it doesn’t change anything and no one is surprised. The first case in Colorado was traced to Italy a month ago. Spreading from China to Europe to here doesn’t really mean anything. Or what am I missing, who cares if it came directly from China or via Europe, what difference does that make?Matts3221 said:I am sure it has already been said but Fox News has literally blood on its hands due to its shit coverage of this at the start. Also now Pence is stopping Fauci from going on CNN.
Also wondering how they are going to try to spin the report today that multiply studies show that the huge outbreak in NY is from Europe and not China.
Or the test that started in Jan are somehow Obamas fault cause you know that some how makes sense.
Honestly the FCC should pull their channel as news , they should not be allowed even say they are a news network.
I am surprised that Fauci is even someone Fox news will still talk about , I mean Tucker Carlson shit talks him.
A great Boston Hardcore band from the early 2000's The Suicide File has a great song "Fuck Fox News" check it out also check out the band their demo still blows my mind.
Some have already said what I would say , Trump and Fox have placed everything on this was all stopped and would have been so much worse had we not stopped travel to China even while Italy was exploding with cases. This has been their drum beat.However the epicenter of all of this is NYC and surrounding areas.
It really is not even an argument anymore Fox News liessssssss and it is a circle , Trump says something and the Fox repeats it and then Trump says the news is saying it , just keeps going and going and going.
Saying that doesn’t translate to Trump did everything perfectly. It doesn’t mean he didn’t make it her mistakes. But stopping travel from China was a big right move, one he was called racist for (that’s a fact) and one I doubt many others would have done (my opinion).
As I said before Colorado’s first cases were traced to Italy and people traveling from Europe to ski here. That doesn’t take away from China being careless throughout this whole thing and the role they played at all.
And there isn’t a single politician who would have halted travel from Europe. And it has nothing to do with color and race. I fault Trump for other things related to Covid, but I don’t blame him for not stopping travel from Europe. I don’t see how it makes him look better or worse if NY’s problem is from China or Europe.
I think some NY’s politicians are getting a free pass though. The one time I brought up the mayor and others encoring the subway and broadway and st Patrick’s parade I got slammed by a few. I think they are partially responsible for this mess too.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
mace1229 said:
But would it not be much worse had we not stopped travel from China?Matts3221 said:mace1229 said:
Don’t think they would need to spin that, it doesn’t change anything and no one is surprised. The first case in Colorado was traced to Italy a month ago. Spreading from China to Europe to here doesn’t really mean anything. Or what am I missing, who cares if it came directly from China or via Europe, what difference does that make?Matts3221 said:I am sure it has already been said but Fox News has literally blood on its hands due to its shit coverage of this at the start. Also now Pence is stopping Fauci from going on CNN.
Also wondering how they are going to try to spin the report today that multiply studies show that the huge outbreak in NY is from Europe and not China.
Or the test that started in Jan are somehow Obamas fault cause you know that some how makes sense.
Honestly the FCC should pull their channel as news , they should not be allowed even say they are a news network.
I am surprised that Fauci is even someone Fox news will still talk about , I mean Tucker Carlson shit talks him.
A great Boston Hardcore band from the early 2000's The Suicide File has a great song "Fuck Fox News" check it out also check out the band their demo still blows my mind.
Some have already said what I would say , Trump and Fox have placed everything on this was all stopped and would have been so much worse had we not stopped travel to China even while Italy was exploding with cases. This has been their drum beat.However the epicenter of all of this is NYC and surrounding areas.
It really is not even an argument anymore Fox News liessssssss and it is a circle , Trump says something and the Fox repeats it and then Trump says the news is saying it , just keeps going and going and going.
Saying that doesn’t translate to Trump did everything perfectly. It doesn’t mean he didn’t make it her mistakes. But stopping travel from China was a big right move, one he was called racist for (that’s a fact) and one I doubt many others would have done (my opinion).
As I said before Colorado’s first cases were traced to Italy and people traveling from Europe to ski here. That doesn’t take away from China being careless throughout this whole thing and the role they played at all.
And there isn’t a single politician who would have halted travel from Europe. And it has nothing to do with color and race. I fault Trump for other things related to Covid, but I don’t blame him for not stopping travel from Europe. I don’t see how it makes him look better or worse if NY’s problem is from China or Europe.
I think some NY’s politicians are getting a free pass though. The one time I brought up the mayor and others encoring the subway and broadway and st Patrick’s parade I got slammed by a few. I think they are partially responsible for this mess too.
I am not debating that closing off travel to China was a good idea and yes I will admit that I felt it was too much at first ( I was wrong ) , I did not say it was racist ( however I know there were people who did throughout government /press / online).With that said he put this ban on China the day after Navarro wrote memo with the highest priority the day before he issued the ban , based on the memo he should have banned even further ( although at this point he is claiming he still never saw the memo )
Also I am not blaming Trump for the virus that is out of humans control , however the shit show his daily briefings are, his inability to tell the truth , contradicting his top experts , saying it was not as bad as it is , this is all on him. He should have mobilized states ( not pit them against each other to buy supplies ) calling people "nasty for asking him questions he should have answer for " He still makes it all about him. That is the problem.
Again with the information he had yes good call on China but he was more worried about the economy than peoples lives and downplayed it.
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As a side note , Trump is racist as hell and it goes all the way back to his start as a business man and is well chronicled.
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Oh boy. You knew it was coming, but still.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1249882435237613569?s=12
Laura Ingraham thinks "Americans should be furious" that the pandemic isn't as bad as originally projected
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About the only person I can’t stand more than Hannity is Ingraham. But that wasnt what she said. She said we should be furious that we spent so much money and panic based on incorrect models.dignin said:Oh boy. You knew it was coming, but still.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1249882435237613569?s=12
Laura Ingraham thinks "Americans should be furious" that the pandemic isn't as bad as originally projected
I don’t agree with that either, I think it’s better safe than sorry based off what we did know, but it’s not as bad as saying we should be furious more people didn’t die, as the tweet stated.0 -
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About the only person I can’t stand more than Hannity is Ingraham. But that wasnt what she said. She said we should be furious that we spent so much money and panic based on incorrect models.dignin said:Oh boy. You knew it was coming, but still.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1249882435237613569?s=12
Laura Ingraham thinks "Americans should be furious" that the pandemic isn't as bad as originally projected
I don’t agree with that either, I think it’s better safe than sorry based off what we did know, but it’s not as bad as saying we should be furious more people didn’t die, as the tweet stated.
Laura Ingraham is a terrible person
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That's exactly what she said. The only reason it wasn't so bad is because of measures taken.mace1229 said:
About the only person I can’t stand more than Hannity is Ingraham. But that wasnt what she said. She said we should be furious that we spent so much money and panic based on incorrect models.dignin said:Oh boy. You knew it was coming, but still.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1249882435237613569?s=12
Laura Ingraham thinks "Americans should be furious" that the pandemic isn't as bad as originally projected
I don’t agree with that either, I think it’s better safe than sorry based off what we did know, but it’s not as bad as saying we should be furious more people didn’t die, as the tweet stated.0 -
We knew this would happen. It is clear from current models, including one just released by the University of Washington, that social distancing is effective in mitigating spread. But the illogical mouthbreathers will not understand this concept. Had we all ignored social distancing we would be in much worse shape. Because we did, we have flattened the curve as predicted, but idiots will then claim that it wasn't as bad as projected. If Laura doesn't think that social distancing has led to that outcome, then I invite her to gather with as many Fox News people as possible, and then go visit her family as often as possible. She's deplorable.dignin said:
That's exactly what she said. The only reason it wasn't so bad is because of measures taken.mace1229 said:
About the only person I can’t stand more than Hannity is Ingraham. But that wasnt what she said. She said we should be furious that we spent so much money and panic based on incorrect models.dignin said:Oh boy. You knew it was coming, but still.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1249882435237613569?s=12
Laura Ingraham thinks "Americans should be furious" that the pandemic isn't as bad as originally projected
I don’t agree with that either, I think it’s better safe than sorry based off what we did know, but it’s not as bad as saying we should be furious more people didn’t die, as the tweet stated.UW team illustrates the adverse impact of visiting ‘just one friend’ during COVID-19 lockdown
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i heard that fox news is being sued for spreading disinformation about covid. i hope they take fox for everything they have. that network is a cancer on the world."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Fox News Quietly Backs Away From Hyping Trump’s Coronavirus ‘Miracle Drug’
After spending two full weeks of programming touting an anti-malarial drug as a coronavirus cure, Fox’s primetime stars have pulled back almost entirely—and so has the president.
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Seems as if the president has backed off as well. Almost as if they are coordinating their message. Shocking.dignin said:Fox News Quietly Backs Away From Hyping Trump’s Coronavirus ‘Miracle Drug’
After spending two full weeks of programming touting an anti-malarial drug as a coronavirus cure, Fox’s primetime stars have pulled back almost entirely—and so has the president.
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