Since Obama Met With Him Today, Do You REALLY Know Bill Clinton?

DriftingByTheStorm

Kann wrote:

Obviously Clinton never made the debt disappear as the interest rate is way too heavy. However it's more interesting to see how the debt (which will exist under all presidents) is used.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Here is a presentation of the debt as a % of GDP : the richer your country for a given year, the lower the debt. It's pretty instructive

Wasn't Clinton, with WTO and NAFTA, in part directly responsible for setting in to place a long term and continual erosion of American GDP via massive job loss\flux ?

And i don't understand all these arguments about surpluses & national debt interest rates.

Can someone clear something up for me?
I know government accounting is shady is shit, but do budgets not figure interest expenses in to their figures? I mean, that IS what a budget is supposed to do, measure in flows against out flows. Interest should be one of those expenses.

And if we are arguing that the debt didn't go down because the interest is so great it can not be paid, we are saying that the government has been literally bankrupt since at least the clinton years. Something i believe inherently to be true, but not something i would expect to hear liberals (who are still vying for MORE massive government spending on health care and welfare) to be admitting.

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RolandTD20Kdrummer

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Regurgitating this hokus pokus bullshit just further emphasizes just how little most Americans care to think for themselves, or to actually research an issue.

:cool:

That's just it though...most people just don't give a shit, and don't care to be bothered to give a shit.

The media is how and what people think and perceive, and to look deeper is not a thought process.

Riot_Mac

You can't deny the country on the whole was in much better shape during the Clinton years.

DriftingByTheStorm

Riot_Mac wrote:

You can't deny the country on the whole was in much better shape during the Clinton years.

So you're blaming bush for 9/11 and for financial bubbles bursting?

Or are you blaming him for our longstanding war economy?

Seems to me the only real beef people keep throwing around in here is that Bush got us in to Iraq.

Look, i'm not defending the guy.
I think they are ALL crooks, liars, and elitist whores.

I'm just asking people to evaluate their sentiments with some modicum of fact related substance.

Why should we all hate Bush as the great satan, and look to Clinton as some great savior?

I don't see it.

And again, this thread was really started with the purpose of getting people to recognize the inherent criminality that seems to come with being a modern day president. Everyone since LBJ has been a raving criminal, or at best an ineffectual and USED man (here i'm thinking of Carter and Reagan).

I'm just asking people to take a deeper look at who their leaders are, and the seemingly blatant felonious actions they appear involved with.

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Gonzo1977

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Wasn't Clinton, with WTO and NAFTA, in part directly responsible for setting in to place a long term and continual erosion of American GDP via massive job loss\flux ?

And i don't understand all these arguments about surpluses & national debt interest rates.

Can someone clear something up for me?
I know government accounting is shady is shit, but do budgets not figure interest expenses in to their figures? I mean, that IS what a budget is supposed to do, measure in flows against out flows. Interest should be one of those expenses.

And if we are arguing that the debt didn't go down because the interest is so great it can not be paid, we are saying that the government has been literally bankrupt since at least the clinton years. Something i believe inherently to be true, but not something i would expect to hear liberals (who are still vying for MORE massive government spending on health care and welfare) to be admitting.

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Sorry Friend but NAFTA was set into motion during the Regan years and championed hardcore by Bush Sr.

Lets not forget who's ass that shit fell from.

Junior's hands certainly aren't clean on either NAFTA or WTO.

Big Business Bullies pushed Clinton and Junior on those ones.

The Clinton administration inherited the worst National debt of our lifetime. The product of a 12 year Regan/Bush spending orgy.

It's amazing that we were able to come out of that era alive.

Thank Christ for the Interweb!!!

Clinton was a dirty fucker no doubt...

But our current adminsistration has caused near-irreparable damage to the world and the moral of this country.

You can not tell me with a straight face that this Bush/Dick C gang is any less corrupt.

Those fuckers should be put behind bars for the blood on their hands.

Point is....WE NEED A CHANGE!!!

So fucking what if Obama is meeting with Clinton. It's just campaign fuckery anyway...They can't stand each other. It's just a meeting to apease the party...Clinton regardless of his past,is held in high very high regard with the Democratic core.

Obama's just playing the game.

Say what you want about Clinton...He's a very popular president and we could use some of his votes.

Especially; with this Soccer Mom Hack Palin out cock-teasing the on the fence Hilary supporters