I will take you one more level though, its not that we are going to set the blockade just that we practiced with the french and british navies on how to do it and then sent those ships along to the persian gulf. So now the Iranians are aware of what our plan probably is, and hopefully having the ships to set a blockade will deter them from thinking they need to interfere in Iraq anymore then they all ready do. Plus its expensive to fill those ships up here its much cheaper there (win win).
So to go along with reborn i guess, its not like spitting in someones face or slapping someone upside the head. Its practicing hitting someone upside the head and then standing close enough to them to actually do it, should the need arise.
JERUSALEM — The United States has rejected an Israeli arms request that would have improved Israel's capability to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, a frontpage report in Israel's Haaretz newspaper said on Wednesday.
The U.S. warned Israel against attacking, saying such a strike would undermine American interests, the paper said. The unsourced report also says the U.S. demanded that Israel give it a heads-up if it decides to strike Iran.
no, it makes little sense to put something like that out there in the discussion and then have the means for enacting such a blockade docked halfway around the globe. now at least its there if needed. And if a not blockading navy instigates hostilities (which it very well may) and then sets a blockade it most definitely is not the provoking act of war.
its funny to me that so much of this discussion is trying to make others see the unseen in certain situations and yet common sense never seems to prevail. everyone with such fire and passion like saying it louder or with more emotion will help in the persuasiveness of your arguements.
"The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
— Socrates
I will take you one more level though, its not that we are going to set the blockade just that we practiced with the french and british navies on how to do it and then sent those ships along to the persian gulf. So now the Iranians are aware of what our plan probably is, and hopefully having the ships to set a blockade will deter them from thinking they need to interfere in Iraq anymore then they all ready do. Plus its expensive to fill those ships up here its much cheaper there (win win).
So to go along with reborn i guess, its not like spitting in someones face or slapping someone upside the head. Its practicing hitting someone upside the head and then standing close enough to them to actually do it, should the need arise.
i still fail to see where any rationale here presented serve as tenable justification for a proposed blockade. All i see is that it seems unclear to some that this is intended to be and actual blockade. The actions aren't just war games.
The US, aided also by France, Britain and Canada, is finalizing preparations for a partial naval blockade to deny Iran imports of benzene and other refined oil products. This action would indicate that the Bush administration had thrown in the towel on stiff United Nations sanctions and decided to take matters in its own hands.
The build up of naval forces in the Gulf will be one of the largest multi-national naval armadas since the First and Second Gulf Wars. The intent is to create a US/EU naval blockade (which is an Act of War under international law) around Iran (with supporting air and land elements) to prevent the shipment of benzene and certain other refined oil products headed to Iranian ports. Iran has limited domestic oil refining capacity and imports 40% of its benzene. Cutting off benzene and other key products would cripple the Iranian economy. The neo-cons are counting on such a blockade launching a war with Iran.
... and i do NOT see the justification to instigating LONG standing internationaly decreed ACTS OF WAR.
apparently some here see things in much finer shades of grey though.
:cool:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
JERUSALEM — The United States has rejected an Israeli arms request that would have improved Israel's capability to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, a frontpage report in Israel's Haaretz newspaper said on Wednesday.
The U.S. warned Israel against attacking, saying such a strike would undermine American interests, the paper said. The unsourced report also says the U.S. demanded that Israel give it a heads-up if it decides to strike Iran.
Isn't that why they are goading Iran into attacking them first?
There not going to stand by if attacked.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
My qualms with this thread are the "sources" in the original first ...
the first one is a blog on blogspot.com, that any schmuck on earth could have started.
the second one is some site I've never heard of quoting their unnamed "military sources" -- which for all we know could be the crazy homeless Vietnam vet down at the VA bar.
the third one -- Middle East Times -- seems a little less suspect. Still, they talk about an armada "reportedly" headed toward the Middle East. Who reported it? They don't say. They might have gotten it from blogspot.com.
So while I'm not denying a naval blockade is or isn't on the way to Iran ... I'm going to wait for a few more credible sources to report it before I get my panties in a wad.
Remember kids, just because the Internet says it, doesn't mean it has to be true.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
My qualms with this thread are the "sources" in the original first ...
the first one is a blog on blogspot.com, that any schmuck on earth could have started.
the second one is some site I've never heard of quoting their unnamed "military sources" -- which for all we know could be the crazy homeless Vietnam vet down at the VA bar.
the third one -- Middle East Times -- seems a little less suspect. Still, they talk about an armada "reportedly" headed toward the Middle East. Who reported it? They don't say. They might have gotten it from blogspot.com.
So while I'm not denying a naval blockade is or isn't on the way to Iran ... I'm going to wait for a few more credible sources to report it before I get my panties in a wad.
Remember kids, just because the Internet says it, doesn't mean it has to be true.
now ... if you want to believe the same lying sacks of shit that told the world the ships in the Gulf of Tonkin were on "routine patrol" ... "just like the patrols we do all around the world, all the time" ... then be my guest ...
of course, we have LBJ on tape saying the ships were part of a covert campaign to provide cover for illegal aggressive guerilla forces perpetrating unprovoked violence against the North Vietnamese ...
but hey!
I'M SURE TIMES HAVE CHANGED!
They would NEVER lie to us in this day and age, right?
I mean, we are SO civilized now.
:cool:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
This thread should be merged with the thread about Russia invading Georgia. It is all the same conflict.
The US, France and GB have been told by Israel that unless Iran's nuclear program is halted, Israel will halt it by force. US/Fr/GB know this action would probably kick off WW3 or at the very least OPEC retaliation, so they move into position to blockade Iran to try to force them to comply with the UN mandate against their nuclear program.
Meanwhile, Russia, who has been inching closer to Iran the past few years, invades Georgia to get control of the critical pipeline and transport routes for the gas and oil coming out of Azerbaijan. Now, any action threatened against Iran will cause a counter action against the Georgian transport infrastructure. Losing the Iranian supply would be bad enough, but also losing Russian supply plus the supply through Georgia might be enough to give US/Fr/GB second thoughts.
The energy 'haves' are starting to wake up, and will from here out be using natual gas and oil as weapons against the 'have nots'. The biggest 'have nots' are Israel and Europe. And of course, the US would suffer greatly, too.
Expect any action against Iran to also trigger a total cut off of oil supply from Venezuela.
The wild cards are Saudi Arabia and the other middle eastern countries.
Get ready for $10/gallon gasoline, rationed to 5 gallons a week, when all of this goes down.
You have probably taken your last road trip to see PJ.
I'm starting to believe that this hopeless situation is what I'm trying to achieve.....
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402708,00.html
JERUSALEM — The United States has rejected an Israeli arms request that would have improved Israel's capability to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, a frontpage report in Israel's Haaretz newspaper said on Wednesday.
The U.S. warned Israel against attacking, saying such a strike would undermine American interests, the paper said. The unsourced report also says the U.S. demanded that Israel give it a heads-up if it decides to strike Iran.
about what the blockade?
no, it makes little sense to put something like that out there in the discussion and then have the means for enacting such a blockade docked halfway around the globe. now at least its there if needed. And if a not blockading navy instigates hostilities (which it very well may) and then sets a blockade it most definitely is not the provoking act of war.
its funny to me that so much of this discussion is trying to make others see the unseen in certain situations and yet common sense never seems to prevail. everyone with such fire and passion like saying it louder or with more emotion will help in the persuasiveness of your arguements.
— Socrates
You said it better than I did.
i still fail to see where any rationale here presented serve as tenable justification for a proposed blockade. All i see is that it seems unclear to some that this is intended to be and actual blockade. The actions aren't just war games.
... and i do NOT see the justification to instigating LONG standing internationaly decreed ACTS OF WAR.
apparently some here see things in much finer shades of grey though.
:cool:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Isn't that why they are goading Iran into attacking them first?
There not going to stand by if attacked.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
they are?
should they?
the first one is a blog on blogspot.com, that any schmuck on earth could have started.
the second one is some site I've never heard of quoting their unnamed "military sources" -- which for all we know could be the crazy homeless Vietnam vet down at the VA bar.
the third one -- Middle East Times -- seems a little less suspect. Still, they talk about an armada "reportedly" headed toward the Middle East. Who reported it? They don't say. They might have gotten it from blogspot.com.
So while I'm not denying a naval blockade is or isn't on the way to Iran ... I'm going to wait for a few more credible sources to report it before I get my panties in a wad.
Remember kids, just because the Internet says it, doesn't mean it has to be true.
for the least they could possibly do
Well here you go, big Jeff:
US Military Denies Blockade
now ... if you want to believe the same lying sacks of shit that told the world the ships in the Gulf of Tonkin were on "routine patrol" ... "just like the patrols we do all around the world, all the time" ... then be my guest ...
of course, we have LBJ on tape saying the ships were part of a covert campaign to provide cover for illegal aggressive guerilla forces perpetrating unprovoked violence against the North Vietnamese ...
but hey!
I'M SURE TIMES HAVE CHANGED!
They would NEVER lie to us in this day and age, right?
I mean, we are SO civilized now.
:cool:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
The US, France and GB have been told by Israel that unless Iran's nuclear program is halted, Israel will halt it by force. US/Fr/GB know this action would probably kick off WW3 or at the very least OPEC retaliation, so they move into position to blockade Iran to try to force them to comply with the UN mandate against their nuclear program.
Meanwhile, Russia, who has been inching closer to Iran the past few years, invades Georgia to get control of the critical pipeline and transport routes for the gas and oil coming out of Azerbaijan. Now, any action threatened against Iran will cause a counter action against the Georgian transport infrastructure. Losing the Iranian supply would be bad enough, but also losing Russian supply plus the supply through Georgia might be enough to give US/Fr/GB second thoughts.
The energy 'haves' are starting to wake up, and will from here out be using natual gas and oil as weapons against the 'have nots'. The biggest 'have nots' are Israel and Europe. And of course, the US would suffer greatly, too.
Expect any action against Iran to also trigger a total cut off of oil supply from Venezuela.
The wild cards are Saudi Arabia and the other middle eastern countries.
Get ready for $10/gallon gasoline, rationed to 5 gallons a week, when all of this goes down.
You have probably taken your last road trip to see PJ.