CNN: "Should More People Be Listening To What Ron Paul Has To Say?"

my2hands

mammasan wrote:

Actually if you have ever heard him speak to some extent he is not proposing that everything be handled through free markets. He has stated on several occastions that such programs as Medicare, Mediaid, and Social Security would not be privitized simply because of the amount of trouble and work it would take would not be beneficial. He would look to ways to start rolling back these programs into some sort of privitization for future generations.

why, and how should we privatize those programs?

mammasan

my2hands wrote:

why, and how should we privatize those programs?

He's not saying that he definitely would. He is saying that he would look into it, if elected, and if it was beneficial would do so but would start rolling it out for later generations.

As for why. He, and many Libertarians, believe that it is unconstitutional to require that citizens be made to pay for other people's benefits.

onelongsong

mammasan wrote:

He's not saying that he definitely would. He is saying that he would look into it, if elected, and if it was beneficial would do so but would start rolling it out for later generations.

As for why. He, and many Libertarians, believe that it is unconstitutional to require that citizens be made to pay for other people's benefits.

i like this guy more and more. private industry can do more with less money than government can. government has people like us hanging over its head and that costs money. britney spears makes $780,000/month because of the poparatzi (sp?). in turn; that same kind of "stalking" costs the government money. private industry simply runs. government runs with people looking over their shoulders with everything being checked and double checked.
i remember the $800 hammer. the federal government should protect our borders and enforce federal law. anything they do after that just burns up money. private industry puts money in the hands of the public thus improving the economy. that's the way america used to work. the federal government has no business in my private life. let's return to those times.

DriftingByTheStorm

my2hands wrote:

ron paul is a bit full of shit when it comes to the free market thing... i havent really seen him challenged on that or expand on that very much... it is a nice idea and all when put forward in 30 second sound bytes...but like most free market supporters they offer little idea/discussion as to how it would actually work


i think the bush administrations push to privatize everything has been a great example of how flwed free market theory can be

With all due respect, it is you who are a bit full of shit.
I've actually posted 3 or 4 links to long (10min-1hr) discussions with Dr. Paul where he is quite articulate about it. In one he even goes so far as to admit that abolition of the Federal Reserve would be "problematic" but that we need to start thinking about what is more important, constitutional freedom or short term economic "gains".

And it IS a nice idea.
As far as Bush, i'm not sure as to what exactly he privatized that you are refering to, but if it's done under severe government regulation or in the confines of a false free market, then it doesn't really count.

Case in point, you say "it doesn't really work", but how the fuck would you know? The Federal Reserve VIOLATES THE ENTIRE PRINCIPAL OF A FREE MARKET. The most FUNDAMENTAL element of the market, the MONEY, is not FREE. It is owned by a private monopoly that gets to decide, autonomously with NO government oversight, how to inflate and deflate the currency.

ONCE MORE, I DUNNO IF YOU PEOPLE CAN READ THIS STUFF:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809)

FRANKLIN KNEW IT.
JEFFERSON KNEW IT.
JACKSON KNEW IT.
KENNEDY KNEW IT.
AND NOW RON PAUL KNOWS IT.

We will soon be bankrupt if this shit continues.
It is unconstitutional, it violates the ENTIRE premise of our countrys founding, and it is RAPING US OF OUR WEALTH.

The ALTERNATIVE IS TO GET RID OF IT.
DUH!

It won't be painless (but then has the last 100 years of depressions, and false collapses, and trillion dollar bail outs and 9 trillion dollar debts been "painless"?) but it IS easy.

JUST KILL THE FUCKING BANK!

DriftingByTheStorm

PRESS CONFERENCE THIS MORNING:
RON PAUL IS A FIRST TIER CANDIDATE!

onelongsong

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

With all due respect, it is you who are a bit full of shit.
I've actually posted 3 or 4 links to long (10min-1hr) discussions with Dr. Paul where he is quite articulate about it. In one he even goes so far as to admit that abolition of the Federal Reserve would be "problematic" but that we need to start thinking about what is more important, constitutional freedom or short term economic "gains".

And it IS a nice idea.
As far as Bush, i'm not sure as to what exactly he privatized that you are refering to, but if it's done under severe government regulation or in the confines of a false free market, then it doesn't really count.

Case in point, you say "it doesn't really work", but how the fuck would you know? The Federal Reserve VIOLATES THE ENTIRE PRINCIPAL OF A FREE MARKET. The most FUNDAMENTAL element of the market, the MONEY, is not FREE. It is owned by a private monopoly that gets to decide, autonomously with NO government oversight, how to inflate and deflate the currency.

ONCE MORE, I DUNNO IF YOU PEOPLE CAN READ THIS STUFF:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809)

JEFFERSON KNEW IT.
JACKSON KNEW IT.
KENNEDY KNEW IT.
AND NOW RON PAUL KNOWS IT.

We will soon be bankrupt if this shit continues.
It is unconstitutional, it violates the ENTIRE premise of our countrys founding, and it is RAPING US OF OUR WEALTH.

The ALTERNATIVE IS TO GET RID OF IT.
DUH!

It won't be painless (but then has the last 100 years of depressions, and false collapses, and trillion dollar bail outs and 9 trillion dollar debts been "painless"?) but it IS easy.

JUST KILL THE FUCKING BANK!

i know it too. i've been telling everyone to buy gold. that paper you call money is nothing but paper.

DriftingByTheStorm

LETTER FROM RON PAUL:

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October 17, 2007


The other day, my old sparring partner in so many Congressional committee hearings, Alan Greenspan, was on the Fox Business Channel. After Alan promoted his new book, the reporter asked if we really needed a central bank. Greenspan looked stunned, and then said that was a good question; he actually talked about fiat money vs. a gold standard. Now, the ex-Fed chairman is not about to endorse our sound monetary policy, but you know our Revolution is working when such a question is asked in the mainstream media, and this powerful man gives such an answer.

You and I are reopening a whole host of questions that the establishment thought it had closed off forever: on war, on taxes and spending, on inflation and gold, and on the rule of law and our Constitution.

A few years ago, I asked a famous conservative columnist a question. What did he think about the prospects for a restored Robert Taft wing of the Republican party? He thought I was joking. As you know, I was not.

After all the aggressive wars, the assaults on our privacy and civil liberties, the oppressive taxation, and the crazed spending and deficits, I believe that many Republican voters are ready to return to our roots. And the big boys feel it too. It is no coincidence that the Republican National Committee invited me to a fundraising dinner involving only "top-tier candidates."

Some of the opposition claims that I am not a "real Republican," whereas I am the only one in the race. And our campaign is registering new Republican voters by the boatload. None of my opponents is doing anything approaching that.

Of course, they pooh-pooh our success. "He's just registering Democrats and Independents and people who have never voted before." Well, yes. It's called growth. We are laying the groundwork for the primaries.

All over America, our support is wide and deep and growing, and young people are joining like never before. After the Dearborn debate, I went to the University of Michigan for a rally. 2,000 students turned out, something that has happened to no other candidate this year.

The crowd cheered all our ideas, but especially our opposition to the Federal Reserve, and our support for real money of gold and silver, as the Constitution mandates, instead of prosperity-wrecking fiat money. American politics hasn't seen anything like this in many decades. It is truly revolutionary.

But time is getting short. We must do massive radio and TV advertising, open many small offices (three in just South Carolina the other day), staff them, pay all the bills, and turn out our vote with massive organizational and phone-bank efforts.

As you know, the blackout is ending; our campaign is starting to get mainstream media attention, thanks to growing donations and volunteers. And contributions are the key to more attention, and to our being able to do the actual work of victory. Good news: our recent green-eyeshade analysis of all the candidates' net finances, which got so much press attention, shows our campaign as one of only three in the top-tier.

But we must keep moving up, and the Iowa caucuses are now on January 3rd. The New Hampshire primary may be in early December!

As always, everything depends on you. Please, make the most generous donation you [url=canhttps://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/]canhttps://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/[/url] as soon as you can. I need your help so badly.

The other day, an 8-year-old boy handed me a small white envelope. It contained the $4.00 he had saved from his allowance, as a donation to our campaign. I can't tell you how seriously I take my responsibility to work hard, and spend frugally and effectively, to be worthy of his support, and yours.

Please help me keep working, even harder and more effectively, for all we believe in. Without you, I'd have to pack it in. Donate now https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/ .We have more than an election to win. We have a country to save.

Ron Paul