Wesley Snipes Accquited Of ALL FELONY TAX CHARGES! The People Are Waking Up !??!
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This is awesome!
They got him on 3 counts of failure to file,
but he was ACCQUITED on all Federal felony charges -- fraud & conspiracy.
I can't wait to see more news, since this is 1 minute after the story broke ...
but it sounds like Snipe's defense convinced the jury that something is fishy.
Because his actions (the Irwin Schiff method of tax evasion, by doctoring up the income tax form and indicating that you believe it all to be bullshit, bascialy) certainly should have proved him guilty of fraud and conpiracy to evade tax.
AND YET THEY FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY.
So.
???
They got him on 3 counts of failure to file,
but he was ACCQUITED on all Federal felony charges -- fraud & conspiracy.
I can't wait to see more news, since this is 1 minute after the story broke ...
but it sounds like Snipe's defense convinced the jury that something is fishy.
Because his actions (the Irwin Schiff method of tax evasion, by doctoring up the income tax form and indicating that you believe it all to be bullshit, bascialy) certainly should have proved him guilty of fraud and conpiracy to evade tax.
AND YET THEY FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY.
So.
???
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
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I read the AP story too (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_en_ce/snipes_tax_trial_4), but it's not clear (at least to me)... Does he still owe the back taxes?
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That's what I thought too... But according to DriftingByTheStorm, spending up to 3 years in prison and still owing millions of dollars is some sort of victory against the government.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
It is a victory if your a Freeman from Montana
He still owes back taxes. If he was a poor slob like me who tried to get away with what he did I would be in jail for years. He has the money to pull court room tricks not avaiable to most people in the USA plain and simple.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
The Tie-Dye Lady is HOT!!!
Agreed...
sadly.
I was responding to this in depth last night, but then, instead of closing one of the tabs i was using as research, i -- being tired since it was 5 AM! -- accidentaly CLOSED THE WHOLE BROWSER. :(
Anyhow, minus blackredyellow being a total ass about it,
it is true, Wesley will still get a bill from the IRS.
Apparently, even if you are found 100% NOT Guilty, like Tom Cryer, you STILL have to pay taxes.
It is ridiculous actualy.
BUT I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS:
-[url=-New York Times
DOES THAT RAISE RED FLAGS FOR ANYONE !?!
The government is saying, with this case and MANY others, if you TRY TO TELL PEOPLE ABOUT OUR SCAM, we will prosecute the shit out of you. Why? Because WE say that what the law says is that you are LIABLE for income tax (although CLEARLY the law DOES NOT SAY YOU ARE LIABLE! prove me wrong, i fucking dare you to try. IT DOES NOT!) ...
... but IF YOU ACTUALY STOP PAYING YOUR TAX, well goddamnit ... JURYS KEEP FINDING PEOPLE NOT GUILTY. Read the Cryer transcripts!
WHY ARE THEY FINDING PEOPLE NOT GUILTY !?!
And why is the government better able to prosecute people for condoning \ aiding & abetting alleged criminal activity, and yet it fails to get solid verdicts on the actual crimes themselves.
WHY DID THE IRS DROP ALL FELONY CHARGES against Tom Cryer BEFORE the trial date !!??!!
I know why.
If you read up on it, YOU will know why too.
Blackredyellow, you are the one that is clueless on this.
How much of Title 26 have YOU read?
I've read all of it, and NO WHERE are you held liable.
I recommend trying get through all of Theft By Deception ... and let me know how you feel about the Income Tax after watching that!
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
Not true.
Tom Cryer got a NOT Guilty conviction of failure to file, and the government made him broke in the process.
Just becaues he is a rich celebrity doesn't mean he is on the wrong side of the moral aisle here, folks.
Wesley is actualy A PATRIOT, STANDING UP FOR YOUR LIBERTY.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
you are ridiculous
first YOU THINK HE IS GOING TO JAIL FOR 3 YEARS ON A MISDEMEANOR?
have you been under a rock!?
and he should go to jail??
WOWWWWWWWWWW
just what we need a non violent good actor in prison because he didnt want to pay taxes...
you are unbelievable
Not to mention, he actualy did not violate any law.
Unfortuantely the court system wont let you how the law in court.
You can only talk about what you saw, and why that means you believed there was no law.
But YOU CAN NOT SHOW THE LAWS in a court case.
Title 26, Subtitle A, Chapter 1 -- WHERE AM I HELD "LIABLE"?
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
But you are right macgyver06, Wesley Snipes will not see a day in jail for this and the back taxes will be paid by April 15th
~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
The Tie-Dye Lady is HOT!!!
Do you honestly believe that he is doing it for any other reason than to protect his own money?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I don't believe anyone does anything altruistically. They always do things in their own self-interest. But in the process of doing so, others can be helped.
And while he may "owe" back taxes, due to the govt's loss in this case they are going to have to sue him to collect the taxes. I do believe there was some celebrity worship by the jury though. This isn't necessarily a tax patriot victory. The other guys who advised Snips were convicted of felonies for their parts, and will serve real time. If this had been a true tax patriot victory, they all would have walked on felonies.
So to sum up - I'm happy for Snipes, I don't think he's a tax patriot but is bringing awareness to the issue, and I don't think this was a victory for tax patriots.
Why is he a patriot? I read an interview with him a few months ago and the only reason he did this was because his crooked accountant told him it was a good idea, and he believed him. He wasn't trying to be any kind of a revoulationary he was just trying to make more money.
I think he is a patriot, because, whether Wesley truly understands the legalities that his "crooked" accountant explained to him or not, the PRINCIPLES on which he is fighting are those of liberty.
Namely, the original defense he used while FILING his taxes was a "tax protestor" argument, that, imho is 100% VALID.
And that is, THERE IS NO LAW HOLDING YOU LIABLE.
The tax was written as a VOLUNTARY tax, and you and i have been duped for ages in to paying it, believing we are truly liable.
And the courts and the IRS enforce it like we are LIABLE. And in fact the IRS has no jurisdiction in the states ... and in fact, even if they did, there is no law for them to enforce. There is no liability on your end.
And about his "crooked" accountant, unless you know something about his dealings that truly were illegal ... best i can tell his counsel is being prosecuted soley for advising clients of "illegal" "tax shelter" schemes ...
But if i say i'm not violating the law, and i can NOT find the law ... and yet you still convict me for it.
Am i a criminal, or is the system criminal?
So far no one on here, OR ANYWHERE IN AMERICA, has been able to show us the law.
Have you seen: this?
Don't you find his answer a bit strange?
He COMPLETELY avoids the question.
And HER answer is no better.
She refers you to is this IRS "official" publication" which has NO MARKINGS, NO SIGNATURES, NO OFFICIAL STATUS, NO control number, NO AUTHORITY, and is simply a FAQ
AND ... AND AND AND ...
The ONLY "tax evasion" argument it DOES NOT ADDRESS is the ONLY ONE which is VALID ... and that is, regardless of constitutionality, OMB numbers etc ... the real truth is TITLE 26 DOES NOT HOLD YOU LIABLE!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Regardless of his personal motives,
Wesley Snipes was willing to stick HIS NECK OUT ON THE LINE to make a MORAL STAND on an ISSUE OF PRINCIPLE.
That is patriotic.
When the founding fathers started the revolution for a new country, guess what, THEY WERE JUST TIRED OF GETTING FUCKED OVER BY THE CROWN OF ENGLAND, and they WERE ACTING IN THEIR OWN BEST FUCKING INTEREST ... DUH ... but it was still helluva patriotic act, and it benefited all future americans.
Where is the disconnect?
Your anger is seemingly borne only out of the fact that Snipes has a lot of money.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If you disregard Personal Motives, how can it be a "moral stand" and an "issue of principle"?
My anger? If I have any anger it is directed at the IRS who are at this moment auditing my mother and her business for the last 2 years. Fuck the IRS, she's already paid a shit load and they are going to want more. But I would really like you to describe how shit would be paid for if everyone stopped paying taxes, cause according to you, we are not required to.
Where has Mr. Snipes said ANYWHERE I am fighting for the good of the people? He was fighting cause he didn't want to go to fucking jail and pay EVEN more in penalties.
Mr Snipes makes some bucks but there are countless in silicon valley that have much more wealth than him, so Im not sure why you think I would be mad at anyone with money...
I guess i just don't think Wesley Snipes was stupid enough to think the IRS wouldn't come after him for NOT PAYING TAX.
From what was reported it sounds to me like what Wesley filed was of similar ilk to the Irwin Schiff Zero Income 1040 Form ... and if you read and understand any of that, you will see that it is all about the income tax NOT existing as described.
YOU DON'T FILE THAT, UNLESS YOU INTEND TO RED FLAG YOUR RETURN TO BE AUDITED!
I have no way of knowing for sure what Wesley was thinking, but either he is just a blooming idiot, or he was willing to go to court over it.
Perhaps as you say, he didn't pay his taxes for some other reason first, and then later found out that he could try this line of defense.
EITHER WAY, HE USED IT ... and it held up IN PART ... the FELONY part!
Look. Benjamin Franklin was an AVID supporter of the Crown of England for MOST OF HIS LIFE ... and in fact, when he DID move to the revolution for independence it was largely for PERSONAL MOTIVES! That doesn't make the man any less of a fucking patriot. Lets not get stuck arguing the politics of altruism. It is pointless. Mother Teresa was a selfish bitch too, right? She got off on helping people. Man, and they say she was a saint. She just got personal satisfaction out of helping people. And she got public acclaim etc etc etc ... ??? Whats the point of arguing this shit? Its all degrees of something.
So.
Man ... i dunno.
And i don't give a shit to talk about what we would do without the income tax. We got on fine without one for over a hundred years, and i have no reason to believe that we couldnt find our way, EVENTUALY, back to that constitutionaly restricted federal government.
The answer seems pretty obvious to me. The Federal government would have to MASSIVELY reduce its operating expenses, and stop promising the world to people.
Like i've said repeatedly, it ain't a fucking cake walk. Thats life.
But there comes a time when you can do whats right, no matter how hard it is, or you can be a fucking pussy and go along with the insidious status quo.
I think given our previous discussions, that we actualy agree on princple more than we disagree ... you just seem to want to ignore your princples and accept "fate", because to act on your princples is a hard fight.
So whats the deal?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Fucking Pussy? Come on man... what are you purposing? Dont file your taxes and hope you dont get fucked by the IRS? I dont have Snipes lawyers to bail me out... and again... he has to still pay the money he "owes".
No man. I'm talking in general.
Of course i don't advocate you not paying your taxes.
If you didn't have the resources to secure excellent legal council you'd be a fool.
And i'm not just talking about you.
I'm talking about the general sentiment echoed up and down on this board and throughout America today.
What set me off here was your, " I would really like you to describe how shit would be paid for if everyone stopped paying taxes, cause according to you, we are not required to".
Because, that is right. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO.
So if something is not right, shouldn't you adjust your actions?
If it is fundamentaly dishonest to rob us of our wealth at a federal level, shouldn't we knock off the bullshit and figure a way to get back to the constitution?
Like i said, you have to stand up for your principles at some point.
If the Federal Reserve is BAD IN THE LONG RUN, people have to suck it up ... let the "massive correction" set in, and get back on with life on the up and up.
But lets not wait for it to all crash in to the ground, so that they can sell us out the chinese on the cheap. Then we can all get sterilized, and have only boy children, and they can sell our organs to the highest bidder, and force abortions etc.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Until the massive correction happens nothing can or will be changed... and you know the Chinese already own us
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NEWS FROM THE FRONT
GOOD NEWS BULLETIN
LARRY BECRAFT BLOCKS ANOTHER DOJ PERSECUTION
JURY HUNG AFTER BENNETT TRIAL
GOVERNMENT LEAVES WITHOUT A HEAD ON ITS LANCE
HONOLULU, HI—The news came through right on the heels of the Snipes verdict and did not garner the attention that partial conviction received, but it’s all good news from Hawaii. Lucky Bennett, accused of conspiracy and tax evasion walked out of the courtroom after a trial that was on and off since it started on January 8, 2008, leaving as innocent has he had entered. Unlike the Snipes case, Bennett took the stand and explained how he came to discover that the income tax had no application to him and Larry Becraft delivered a brilliant closing, pointing out that the only evidence of Bennett’s belief at the time of the “crime” was Bennett’s testimony.
Larry argued to the jury that the government has the burden to prove Bennett’s belief and intentions as of April 15 of each year for which he was charged, that proof required evidence. Holding his hands out like a scale he demonstrated that the government must shift the scale all the way over, not just tip it—beyond any reasonable doubt. He pointed out that Lucky gave his sworn testimony as to what he believed as of those April 15’s—the scales move to his side. But what evidence has the government shown you about Lucky’s beliefs or intent on those dates? Still holding his “scales” out, “Did you see it move? I didn’t see it move.”
Obviously, some of the jury understood that. From one who has been in this system for nearly four decades it is almost impossible to convince a jury that firmly believes the earth is flat that anyone who says otherwise truly believes that it is round. A hung jury is a monumental achievement. It is a loss by the government, who walks away empty handed, no head to display on its lance.
Whether the government will take a second shot at Bennett remains to be seen, but although they could not tip the scales they have tipped their hands, and that means Lucky Bennett knows what they have up their sleeves and will be even better prepared and able to mount his defense.
Well done, Lucky! Well done, Larry!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
But he is not sticking his neck out. He is totally trying to pass the blame onto his accountant, (who has been stripped of his licence which fits my definition of a crooked accountant). If he truly was trying to take a stand he would admit that is what he was doing rather than trying to trying to pass the buck onto someone else. To relate this to your American Revolution analogy it would be like if after the Boston Tea Party the people involved said they accidentally knocked the boxes into the harbor or that someone else did it. To me if you are going to do some civil disobidence, you should at least stand up and take credit for it. This interview makes it pretty clear he is not trying to take any sort of a stand:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20165873,00.html
I guess I agree that Wesley doesn't qualify as a general in the Tax Revolution army.
I DID post this thread TWO SECONDS after the news hit the AP wire. Check the OP, the release was "less that one minute ago" ...
so i obviously didn't have all the facts.
You are right, Wesley seems to be a big pussy on this.
But the failure to get convictions isn't the greatest thing for the IRS.
And the above case from Hawaii CERTAINLY is bad news for them!
If I opened it now would you not understand?