This Is How It Happens, Folks: The EU Treaty: Brown Surrenders Britain's Sovereignty

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

BBc News, no disrepect but they know more about it than you, said:-

Ireland and the UK currently have an opt-out from European policies concerning asylum, visas and immigration. Under the new treaty they will have the right to opt in or out of any policies in the entire field of justice and home affairs.

The government and the Lib Dems say the treaty does not have constitutional implications, so a referendum on it is not needed.

The government says most changes are minor and procedural and it has secured "opt-outs" where necessary.

Hmm... right! Yes we have a lot of opt outs... but not to everything! Also, the British govt sent troops to Iraq, do you think that was in the peoples best interests or what they wanted? do you just accept everything a government does on your behalf... cos hey, you voted for them? And yes, this trustworthy wonderful government says most changes are minor and procedural we all know governments never ever BEND the truth ever so slightly!

Kann

Heineken Helen wrote:

That's my main reason for voting no... that less than 1% get to decide the fate of the 100% simply cos our government is the only one with no choice BUT to have a referendum... and they want us to vote our vote away... 'in the name of democracy' :rolleyes: It's disgusting what's going on.

It actually is. I voted yes when we held our referendum because I honestly believed it was a good thing. But today, seeing how the results of the popular vote (with which I disagreed) are just ignored seems disgusting, dangerous and is (imo) a good reason to vote no.

Heineken Helen

Kann wrote:

It actually is. I voted yes when we held our referendum because I honestly believed it was a good thing. But today, seeing how the results of the popular vote (with which I disagreed) are just ignored seems disgusting, dangerous and is (imo) a good reason to vote no.

well I did and now we wait counting starts right about now... so we should know in a few hours. I think the turnout was only about 45% which COULD be good for the no vote... or for either vote realistically