The U.S. has know since 2000 that Iran was going to establish its own OIL market clearing/Exchange that would eventually compete against the NYMEX AND London's IPE with respect to international oil trades/products. Right now the U.S. dollar is the major accepted currency on markets for international oil trades/products. Iran's Exchange by only accepting euro dollars would change that. To stay competitive, oil producing countries at some point would, also, have to start selling their oil for euro dollars. Once this happens, the euro dollar would become an accepted currency for international oil trades/products on ALL market EXCHANGES and would openly compete against the U.S. dollar. The U.S. dollar would no longer rein supreme in the marketplace for international oil trade/products. The dollar wouldn't disappear, you would likely find yourself carry dollars and euro dollars to do your transactions.
Bush/Cheney thought we would have been at war with Iran by now and it didn't happen. Contrary to how the cables were physically cut, these undersea fiber optic cables could not have been sorted out with that much precision without the guidance of those good old telecommunication corporations. We cut those cables in an act of desperation and to show Iran the extremes we will go to prevent them from establishing their own Exchange.
If this doesn't work, Bush/Cheney will find a way to draw Iran into a war.
Hey. Careful with the unsourced allegations, buddy.
Also that the Egyptians have satellite "evidence" that there were no ships in the vicinity +\- 12 hours of cable outages is a bit disturbing.
Your right, they got immunity.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
Also that the Egyptians have satellite "evidence" that there were no ships in the vicinity +\- 12 hours of cable outages is a bit disturbing.
so tell me, how did america pull this one off? you only read what you want to hear...
why not post this section of the article?
Cables are normally laid in proximity to each other and an accident in one cable can result in severing many cables at a time.
A cable-laying company has to undertake an expensive marine survey which costs anywhere between Rs 40 crore and Rs 120 crore, depending on the terrain. To cut costs, some cable companies skip the marine survey
just admit you dont know what the fuck happened. you make it too easy to make fun of you.
so tell me, how did america pull this one off? you only read what you want to hear...
why not post this section of the article?
Cables are normally laid in proximity to each other and an accident in one cable can result in severing many cables at a time.
A cable-laying company has to undertake an expensive marine survey which costs anywhere between Rs 40 crore and Rs 120 crore, depending on the terrain. To cut costs, some cable companies skip the marine survey
just admit you dont know what the fuck happened. you make it too easy to make fun of you.
We may be on seporate sides of the political spectrum but I am with you as to the question why this conspiracy theory just will not fade away.
It is very easy to blame the US, the last 7 years has shown the US Government has become inafective at everything it does. Except wasiting billions of dollars buying WMDs. But really this is not the fault of the US even if it was, it is just another example of a goverment that has no clue as to how to operate anymore.
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
they have confirmed 2 cables were cut, one by a 5.5ton anchor. they do not know how it was cut. you say in your annoying driftin way that is a LONG anchor. you don't know the how that anchor made it to the bottom or how deep the water was, or if it even came from a ship in the area.
Weighing more than 5.5 tons, the anchor has been pulled to the surface. The company did not immediately explain whether the anchor moved and snapped the cable or whether the cable itself was drifting when it was sliced.
my guess is that a ship in the area dropped its anchor and it detached from the ship. the anchor floated to the bottom and cut the cable. this caused a ripple effect of other failures (not cuts) in possibly 4 other locations.
how 2 cuts happened in one day in separate areas is a very good question and remained unanswered.
how 2 cuts happened in one day in separate areas is a very good question and remained unanswered.
You said it yourself.
And, putting back on my tinfoil hat of ever-doubting-conspiratorial-bent ... i'm curious what type of submarine or other vehicle could carry a 5 ton anchor discretely and deposit it at the bottom of the ocean as a decoy.
I'm just saying,
it isn't a bad thing to be skeptical.
But if and when a sufficient story comes out,
i may buy it.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
And, putting back on my tinfoil hat of ever-doubting-conspiratorial-bent ... i'm curious what type of submarine or other vehicle could carry a 5 ton anchor discretely and deposit it at the bottom of the ocean as a decoy.
I'm just saying,
it isn't a bad thing to be skeptical.
But if and when a sufficient story comes out,
i may buy it.
are you fucking kidding?? you put FULL blame on the US and said it was all part of the Iran oil shit and we probably sent navy seals to do it.
asking questions is one thing, what you do is another.
To be fair, as i've said, i did title my thread as a QUESTION.
If i was realy laying full unmitigated blame, my post would read: "USA CUTS CABLE. STARTS WAR WITH IRAN"
Sorry i got all carried away and directly laid blame in my 6th or 7th post down.
I'd have changed that post, but you already quoted it, so it wouldn't matter.
Me:
I think it is PROBABLE that the US was involved in this.
Sorry for any confusion.
i would not say PROBABLE, but i would not be suprised : )
here's the thing, i have been against the way things are going in Iraq since the start. But ......i have also said we should be worried about Iran. i'm not saying go to war with Iran, but...i could understand, and stomach a war with Iran much easier.
and b4 you slam me for anything ive said, ill be the first to admit, that i am somewhat ignorant on this paticular discussion. ill be honest, this thread is the first ive heard about the cables being "cut" or whatever happened to them
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
i would not say PROBABLE, but i would not be suprised : )
here's the thing, i have been against the way things are going in Iraq since the start. But ......i have also said we should be worried about Iran. i'm not saying go to war with Iran, but...i could understand, and stomach a war with Iran much easier.
and b4 you slam me for anything ive said, ill be the first to admit, that i am somewhat ignorant on this paticular discussion. ill be honest, this thread is the first ive heard about the cables being "cut" or whatever happened to them
actualy i'm not going to slam you.
i'm realy more curious why you think we need to be afraid of Iran?
Because they are trying to secure nuclear ENERGY to hedge against their already peaked oil reserves?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
actualy i'm not going to slam you.
i'm realy more curious why you think we need to be afraid of Iran?
Because they are trying to secure nuclear ENERGY to hedge against their already peaked oil reserves?
im just saying they do, and have for a long time pose way more of a threat to americans and ........really everyone then iraq, and saddam ever have.
that my opinion. and yes as stated above by Mr.Smith. if they are out to hurt us economically, why not be worried? Iraq, has never even been in a position to do so.
like i said, im just learning about alot of this. my attention has been on africa for years .
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
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Hey. Careful with the unsourced allegations, buddy.
5th undersea cable cut fuels allegations of isolating Iran ... i like the part where none of the sources wished to go on record because this was "sensitive".
Also that the Egyptians have satellite "evidence" that there were no ships in the vicinity +\- 12 hours of cable outages is a bit disturbing.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Your right, they got immunity.
so tell me, how did america pull this one off? you only read what you want to hear...
why not post this section of the article?
Cables are normally laid in proximity to each other and an accident in one cable can result in severing many cables at a time.
A cable-laying company has to undertake an expensive marine survey which costs anywhere between Rs 40 crore and Rs 120 crore, depending on the terrain. To cut costs, some cable companies skip the marine survey
just admit you dont know what the fuck happened. you make it too easy to make fun of you.
We may be on seporate sides of the political spectrum but I am with you as to the question why this conspiracy theory just will not fade away.
It is very easy to blame the US, the last 7 years has shown the US Government has become inafective at everything it does. Except wasiting billions of dollars buying WMDs. But really this is not the fault of the US even if it was, it is just another example of a goverment that has no clue as to how to operate anymore.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
The Tie-Dye Lady is HOT!!!
Holy shit!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
It's SOOOOO ANNOYING when you do THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they have confirmed 2 cables were cut, one by a 5.5ton anchor. they do not know how it was cut. you say in your annoying driftin way that is a LONG anchor. you don't know the how that anchor made it to the bottom or how deep the water was, or if it even came from a ship in the area.
Weighing more than 5.5 tons, the anchor has been pulled to the surface. The company did not immediately explain whether the anchor moved and snapped the cable or whether the cable itself was drifting when it was sliced.
my guess is that a ship in the area dropped its anchor and it detached from the ship. the anchor floated to the bottom and cut the cable. this caused a ripple effect of other failures (not cuts) in possibly 4 other locations.
how 2 cuts happened in one day in separate areas is a very good question and remained unanswered.
http://www.flagtelecom.com/media/PDF_files/Submarine%20Cable%20Cut%20Update%20Bulletin%20Release%20080208Ver2.pdf
You said it yourself.
And, putting back on my tinfoil hat of ever-doubting-conspiratorial-bent ... i'm curious what type of submarine or other vehicle could carry a 5 ton anchor discretely and deposit it at the bottom of the ocean as a decoy.
I'm just saying,
it isn't a bad thing to be skeptical.
But if and when a sufficient story comes out,
i may buy it.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
are you fucking kidding?? you put FULL blame on the US and said it was all part of the Iran oil shit and we probably sent navy seals to do it.
asking questions is one thing, what you do is another.
no way it was an anchor, though.
why couldn't it have been an anchor?
I'm allowed to have an uneducated opinion, yes?
To be fair, as i've said, i did title my thread as a QUESTION.
If i was realy laying full unmitigated blame, my post would read: "USA CUTS CABLE. STARTS WAR WITH IRAN"
Sorry i got all carried away and directly laid blame in my 6th or 7th post down.
I'd have changed that post, but you already quoted it, so it wouldn't matter.
Me:
I think it is PROBABLE that the US was involved in this.
Sorry for any confusion.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
i would not say PROBABLE, but i would not be suprised : )
here's the thing, i have been against the way things are going in Iraq since the start. But ......i have also said we should be worried about Iran. i'm not saying go to war with Iran, but...i could understand, and stomach a war with Iran much easier.
and b4 you slam me for anything ive said, ill be the first to admit, that i am somewhat ignorant on this paticular discussion. ill be honest, this thread is the first ive heard about the cables being "cut" or whatever happened to them
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
actualy i'm not going to slam you.
i'm realy more curious why you think we need to be afraid of Iran?
Because they are trying to secure nuclear ENERGY to hedge against their already peaked oil reserves?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
well it seems from this thread Iran is intent on ruining us economically. that might be good enough to worry about them.
im just saying they do, and have for a long time pose way more of a threat to americans and ........really everyone then iraq, and saddam ever have.
that my opinion. and yes as stated above by Mr.Smith. if they are out to hurt us economically, why not be worried? Iraq, has never even been in a position to do so.
like i said, im just learning about alot of this. my attention has been on africa for years .
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel