I thought i'd bump this because CNBC has been arguing over which way oil is going, Lindsay has been dead on in the past, and the kicker is
CNBC just ran a headline on the screen that said:
"Tehran: Iran will defend $100 Oil"
I think that gives this statement by Lindsay some legitimacy, because it shows a recognition on the mainstream media that oil falling back to ... oh say ... $50 a barrel would REALLY fuck over Iran.
Hmm.
Just something to think about,
since i posted this when oil was still around $135-$140 and it is now sitting at $109 ... Mr. Williams is no dummy.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If push comes to shove this could become a very stark reality.
I can only imagine how many more patriot acts will have to be enacted to prevent the blowback.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
what a load of shit. first of all, the middle east would be just fine at 50 dollars a barrel. just like they were when oil was at 30 or less for the last 30 years. secondly, no one can "make" oil go to 50. if the middle east really thought they would be fucked by $50 a barrel, they would just cut supply. simply amazing how you believe ANYTHING that comes from the schizophrenic asshole alex jones. truly amazing.
Yup.
Lindsay Williams (who has been right about everything he has "predicted" for several decades now) is on with Alex Jones right now.
He is saying that, along with having received a few new threats that had him scared silent for over a month, that he also has been given more information from one of the "insiders" -- one of his old oil company contacts.
This is what Lindsay is saying:
The current plan is to totally reverse the direction of oil back down to $50 a barrel.
"They" are going to do this in order to "utterly destroy the Middle East".
Because those countries are totally dependent on the price of oil to keep their economies afloat.
He also said that the obverse of this is that they are looking to destroy the dollar in this process too. The mechanism would be that the destabilization of the Middle East would cause THEIR economies so much strain that they could no longer hold on to or purchase more of US Treasury bills.
This flood of treasury securities back in to America will utterly crush the dollar.
He ALSO said that the way they are going to put oil back to $50 is that they are going to open to MASSIVE oil fields (that are currently "unknown") ... one in Indonesia, and one in Russia.
He ALSO said that this fellow said MCCAIN is "their man", and that "something will happen" to "ensure that he wins".
And then this contact said that America will have a "massive financial collapse" with in the next year!
:eek:
take a look folks. this is what we call fear mongering. I truely am in utter amazement on much you are under alex's spell.
wait wait wait...massive financial collapse? didnt someone bump a thread that you posted the same crap last year? you are such a joke.
take a look folks. this is what we call fear mongering. I truely am in utter amazement on much you are under alex's spell.
wait wait wait...massive financial collapse? didnt someone bump a thread that you posted the same crap last year? you are such a joke.
Yeah.
You know what is funny.
People like you were around last year telling me i was a fucking joke.
And what happened?
MOST of what i was worried about HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.
The stock market shit its pants.
WE GOT MULTIPLE BAIL OUTS.
Fannie and freddie are on the verge of total fucked-ed-ness.
Gold went through the fucking roof,
and the dollar took a turd.
I even gave specific numbers (and this is back in LAST AUGUST) ... i said "probably around 1.5-2.5 TRILLION in losses" and i said it would all be fucking nationalized.
Yeah.
I'm a fucking crack pot.
and guess what?
Yeah.
We still have wise-asses like you coming on here to talk shit about what i said.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Yeah.
We still have wise-asses like you coming on here to talk shit about what i said.
because you dont get it. Alex Jones has transformed you into something very scary....(and equally tragic and sad) I'm sure you were actually a cold dude at some point.
Alex Jones called out 9/11 two months before it happened....lo and behold.
Clearly he has no clue what he is talking about.
...some might not like the format, but the information is what it is, and...well... it is...
The American Idol crowd usually aren't big Jones fans, but then again they watch American Idol to hate on people and laugh at them for amusment.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i have been talking about this post a bit lately...interesting huh?
Lindsay Williams is lucky he isn't dead already.
I heard Larry Kudlow on CNBC the other night SPECIFICALY reiterate what Lindsay said he was told.
Kudlow was like "oil going to $30 a barrel would be GREAT! It would CRUSH Iran, and Venezuela ... and it would put that creep Putin back in his place!"
I think Lindsay got a simplified explanation,
but the same collusion that brought oil to $150 is most certainly bringing it crashing right back down.
I keep getting the feeling that we've already been had.
Whats that saying about the trap already being sprung?
They got their bailout. They're getting their election.
They're half way to getting a world financial regulatory body,
and the future of US sovereignty is starting to look disturbingly bleak.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
so instead of middle easterners building ever taller buildings and swimming in pools made of pure gold and filled with money, they will have to settle for slightly less. good luck to our banker masters pulling this shit off. no way you bankrupt the people with the oil.
well see that's what I"ve been pondering...I mean I'm not sure how it will bankrupt things, but this post was made in July and everyone on here lit it up. Except everything posted kind of happened except the bankrupcies and McCain (I think/hope)...so what's going on? Something has to be going on that we don't know about, probably Williams as well, but it is kind of crazy to follow..no?
One of those "wait and see" things then.
I'm just not really seeing it. Especially not in the short term.
Peace
Dan
Oil currently at 55.9 a barrel.
Lindsay made his statement when oil was at $145 a barrel.
Hmm.
He was on AJ recently ... i haven't had a chance to listen to it yet ...
i can bet one thing though ... Lindsay was pretty well under the impression that McCain was "their man", and that he would win regardless.
So in that context, maybe he is 50\50 on his "predictions".
lol.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
This person maybe correct but it's for the absolute wrong reasons. The US government didn't undermind it's own economy and well being for the long term in order to lower the price of oil. That is merely combing two very separate issues into one little neat conspiracy theory in order to drive home some random or mislead point.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Very interesting. I totally forgot about this thread. Nice beatdown on the SG btw...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yeah.
Thats the glory of global central bank coordination.
wait till they get their monitary "global governance" structures in place, and they can manipulate the currencies of regions at a whim.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Oil currently at 55.9 a barrel.
Lindsay made his statement when oil was at $145 a barrel.
Hmm.
He was on AJ recently ... i haven't had a chance to listen to it yet ...
i can bet one thing though ... Lindsay was pretty well under the impression that McCain was "their man", and that he would win regardless.
So in that context, maybe he is 50\50 on his "predictions".
lol.
Well, what do you know. Things sure are volatile these days. I probably should have guessed though, if the economy tanked, demand for oil would sink dramatically, as activity would plummet (and boy, can't you americans suddenly dry up on your demand).
Lesson learned for another time, I suppose.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
That crazy old Lindsay, and his lies about having an inside informer.
I'm SURE he made it all up.
:rolleyes:
I'm seeing $48.70....
love in an elevator? going down?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The current plan is to totally reverse the direction of oil back down to $50 a barrel.
On the money there.
"They" are going to do this in order to "utterly destroy the Middle East".
Because those countries are totally dependent on the price of oil to keep their economies afloat.
They may lose some income over it, but I dont see the middle east "utterly destroyed" over it. They have lived well for ages on much lower prices than 50$. If this drop had come after say 5-10 years on 100+$ then it might hurt. Now, they are just losing their extra money.
He also said that the obverse of this is that they are looking to destroy the dollar in this process too. The mechanism would be that the destabilization of the Middle East would cause THEIR economies so much strain that they could no longer hold on to or purchase more of US Treasury bills.
This flood of treasury securities back in to America will utterly crush the dollar.
The dollar is currently strengthening itself considerably.
He ALSO said that the way they are going to put oil back to $50 is that they are going to open to MASSIVE oil fields (that are currently "unknown") ... one in Indonesia, and one in Russia.
No new oil fields to speak of. And we wont hear of them either if oil prices stay low.
He ALSO said that this fellow said MCCAIN is "their man", and that "something will happen" to "ensure that he wins".
Well, he sure was misinformed there.
And then this contact said that America will have a "massive financial collapse" with in the next year!
Well, that happened, but coming in July, it isn't as prophetic as it could have been, since things were already winding down back then.
If we keep the middle east prospect out of it (which can be undecided, but I think also is wrong), he's right on 2 and wrong on 3 of these points.
This was presented as "they" somehow would be manipulating the price of oil regardless of the general economy. But what happened was a financial crisis that hurt all of the economy, and hence the price of oil since demand plummeted. (As it will if businesses slow down)
From calculations I have read from oil analysts, there is no doubt that the oil will spring back up to 100ish dollars when the current crisis has run it's course. So this 50$ a barrel will not last. Unless, of course, the entire world economy collapses totally. But then we wont be concerned with the price pr barrel of oil.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
ok, the guy is annoying to watch but I just spent 30 minutes or so watching the 'next 12 months' on youtube.
What I have got so far, according to this guy, is that the elite, the small group of people that own and control everything, are trying to destroy the American dollar, trying to turn the US into a 2nd/3rd world country, and so on.
What is the point of that? They can exploit all the resources on the planet, but if they don't have a market for them what is the point? historically, countries have been exploited and reduced to 3rd world status and forced (through IMF/WB, through debt) to EXPORT their natural resources TO the United States. The US was the center, all countries sent/send their natural resources here, paying off imaginary debts created by these IMf/WB loans.
If they reduce the US to a third world status and exploit our resources and labor, who are they going to sell it too?? who is going to benefit?
How does the elite benefit by turning the first world into third world status? Its doesn't make sense to me. Yeah its scary, yeah this guy predicted a lot of shit, but logically I fail to see how this will benefit the elite. They need a market. governments alone cannot handle the volume. Corporations can exploit all the resources the want, they still need a market for their goods.
So, what's the point in de-valuing the American dollar and turning the United States into a second/third world country?
ok, the guy is annoying to watch but I just spent 30 minutes or so watching the 'next 12 months' on youtube.
What I have got so far, according to this guy, is that the elite, the small group of people that own and control everything, are trying to destroy the American dollar, trying to turn the US into a 2nd/3rd world country, and so on.
What is the point of that? They can exploit all the resources on the planet, but if they don't have a market for them what is the point? historically, countries have been exploited and reduced to 3rd world status and forced (through IMF/WB, through debt) to EXPORT their natural resources TO the United States. The US was the center, all countries sent/send their natural resources here, paying off imaginary debts created by these IMf/WB loans.
If they reduce the US to a third world status and exploit our resources and labor, who are they going to sell it too?? who is going to benefit?
How does the elite benefit by turning the first world into third world status? Its doesn't make sense to me. Yeah its scary, yeah this guy predicted a lot of shit, but logically I fail to see how this will benefit the elite. They need a market. governments alone cannot handle the volume. Corporations can exploit all the resources the want, they still need a market for their goods.
So, what's the point in de-valuing the American dollar and turning the United States into a second/third world country?
Well,
historically the wealth of the elite RISES as the wealth of the rest of the country flounders.
They use the crashes to consolidate power, wealth, and control.
If you are sitting at the top, with insider information, and capable of putting your wealth in ANY asset class across the world, you could potentialy devalue the dollar, and have your wealth in "safe" assets abroad, then use them to come back in to the country and buy it up.
I still truly believe that there is a sick group of people at the top that views American Sovereignty very generally as the greatest threat to their preeminent power.
Destroying the dollar would go a LONG way towards twisting sovereignty out of America's arm. We would come screaming to the as yet created global authorities to help us out, would accept whatever conditions imposed, to get bailed out of that mess.
THAT is what they stand to gain, in an oversimplified nutshell. CONTROL.
All or nothing.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Well,
historically the wealth of the elite RISES as the wealth of the rest of the country flounders.
They use the crashes to consolidate power, wealth, and control.
If you are sitting at the top, with insider information, and capable of putting your wealth in ANY asset class across the world, you could potentialy devalue the dollar, and have your wealth in "safe" assets abroad, then use them to come back in to the country and buy it up.
I still truly believe that there is a sick group of people at the top that views American Sovereignty very generally as the greatest threat to their preeminent power.
Destroying the dollar would go a LONG way towards twisting sovereignty out of America's arm. We would come screaming to the as yet created global authorities to help us out, would accept whatever conditions imposed, to get bailed out of that mess.
THAT is what they stand to gain, in an oversimplified nutshell. CONTROL.
All or nothing.
These people, aren't they already in control of Congress and the President in the US? According to this guy they are. If they can get them to do what they want, they already have control. (granted resource control is the first stage in population control) but if they already have that, as well as basically a direct control over our government, again according to this guy, they should have what they need. The only way for them to gain more would be to subject us all to extreme poverty. Which is something I don't think the people in the US will put up with for very long.
The 1920's saw massive public participation in structure of the system...they shut Philadelphia down. General strikes, massive public protests, it was nation wide. The people in charge had no choice, they had to give in to our demands. Fuck it, let em try it again, the repercussions will be more than they can handle. there goes the very idea of a corporation. there goes the idea of a corporate lobyist. there goes the idea of laboring for someone else. there goes the very core of their structure, their basis for control. this shit has been happening through human histroy, and with every revolution, every time the population rises up, THEY lose. this time will be no different.
These people, aren't they already in control of Congress and the President in the US? According to this guy they are. If they can get them to do what they want, they already have control.
Well.
You are half right, commrade.
Here are the two parts:
1. Ownership of the Government
“the real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson"
–Franklin D Roosevelt, 1933
“These international bankers and Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of public office officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government.”
–Theodore Roosevelt
“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.”
–James Madison
“Capital must protect itself in every possible way, both by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When through the process of law the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers. These truths are well known among our principal men who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance. It is thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished.”
–US Banker’s Association Magazine, 1924
“The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than the aristocracy, more selfish than the bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes.”
–Abraham Lincoln
2. True Control
“Let us face reality. The framers (of the Constitution) have simply been too shrewd for us. They have outwitted us. They designed separate institutions that cannot be unified by mechanical linkages, frail bridges, (or) tinkering. If we are to turn the founders upside down… we must directly confront the Constitutional structure they erected.”
Admiral James MacGregor Burns, Council on Foreign Relations member, 1984
They may OWN most of the government (although SOME congressman are still of merit!), but to gain FULL control, they must UTTERLY DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION!
And on the issue of this revolution you speak of:
First Off:
“To expose a 15 Trillion dollar ripoff of the American people by the stockholders of the 1000 largest corporations over the last 100 years will be a tall order of business.” –Buckminster Fuller
But Then:
“The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”
–Lord Acton
“What is needed here is a return to the Constitution of the United States. We need to have a complete divorce of Bank and State. The old struggle that was fought out here in Jackson’s day must be fought over again… The Federal Reserve Act should be repealed and the Federal Reserve Banks, having violated their charters, should be liquidated immediately. Faithless Government officers who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to trial. Unless this is done by us, I predict that the American people, outraged, robbed, pillaged, insulted, and betrayed as they are in their own land, will rise in their wrath and send a President here who will sweep the money changers out of the temple.
- Louis McFadden, US Congressman, 1932
“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it.”
–Abraham Lincoln
Anyhow.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Oil currently at 55.9 a barrel.
Lindsay made his statement when oil was at $145 a barrel.
Hmm.
He was on AJ recently ... i haven't had a chance to listen to it yet ...
i can bet one thing though ... Lindsay was pretty well under the impression that McCain was "their man", and that he would win regardless.
So in that context, maybe he is 50\50 on his "predictions".
lol.
No, actually if this were a test, Lindsay failed.
1. He was right regarding the lowering of oil prices...for now. However, was he right regarding the reason? The previous increase in oil prices was one of the culprits of the problems with the US economy. The oil price increases led to the increase in prices of food and other necessities, which then led to the fact that Americans couldn't buy cars and other big items. Americans stopped traveling as much, many dumped their big-ass gas guzzling cars, and most got behind a big push for alternative energy resources - which was a huge factor in the election. This all caused a surplus in oil, which is why gas prices are going down. OPEC maintained all along that they were not the main reason for the increase in gas prices; it was caused by greedy oil companies, whom profited hugely, while everyone else was struggling. Hmm...perhaps the oil companies want us to forget that we need alternative energy resources? The decrease in oil prices will help the US economy, as it should lead to the decrease in prices of food and necessities. In the end Americans will be able to buy more...big-ass gas guzzling cars again?
2. He was wrong about McCain. Their man McCain lost and it wasn't even close.
3. The US dollar is up as oil prices are decreasing and the US economy is tanking. Why? Because so many other countries invested in the US economy so as we tank so will they but only faster. As I posted in another thread, the banking bailout was not only seen necessary for the US economy, but also to the European Union as they have so much invested in the US economy, especially in AIG.
If Lindsay is onto to something, perhaps it is to break the Euro not the dollar? The way I understand it, the dollar was the widely used currency worldwide until the Euro became a dominating currency, leading to other countries to switched from using the dollar to the Euro.
It is much easier to come up with a conspiracy theory after it happens .
"...believe in lies...to get by...it's divine...whoa...oh, you know what its like..."
They may lose some income over it, but I dont see the middle east "utterly destroyed" over it. They have lived well for ages on much lower prices than 50$. If this drop had come after say 5-10 years on 100+$ then it might hurt. Now, they are just losing their extra money.
Dan
The company my wife works for over here in england does alot of business with the middle east, it was there main earner, now alot of there projects in the middle east are being scaled down or stoped due to lack of funds.
I'm not saying the middle east will be destroyed, or that lindsay is right, but they certainly are not holding up so well if they are scaling back on there spending.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
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CNBC just ran a headline on the screen that said:
"Tehran: Iran will defend $100 Oil"
I think that gives this statement by Lindsay some legitimacy, because it shows a recognition on the mainstream media that oil falling back to ... oh say ... $50 a barrel would REALLY fuck over Iran.
Hmm.
Just something to think about,
since i posted this when oil was still around $135-$140 and it is now sitting at $109 ... Mr. Williams is no dummy.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I can only imagine how many more patriot acts will have to be enacted to prevent the blowback.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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take a look folks. this is what we call fear mongering. I truely am in utter amazement on much you are under alex's spell.
wait wait wait...massive financial collapse? didnt someone bump a thread that you posted the same crap last year? you are such a joke.
Yeah.
You know what is funny.
People like you were around last year telling me i was a fucking joke.
And what happened?
MOST of what i was worried about HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.
The stock market shit its pants.
WE GOT MULTIPLE BAIL OUTS.
Fannie and freddie are on the verge of total fucked-ed-ness.
Gold went through the fucking roof,
and the dollar took a turd.
I even gave specific numbers (and this is back in LAST AUGUST) ... i said "probably around 1.5-2.5 TRILLION in losses" and i said it would all be fucking nationalized.
Yeah.
I'm a fucking crack pot.
and guess what?
Yeah.
We still have wise-asses like you coming on here to talk shit about what i said.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
LOL why am I not surprised?
probably nothing near what you predicted.
no it didnt. stock markets dont usually go stright up forever. you know that right?
BOLD prediction!
you predicted that? I doubt it
and then came back down
and then recovered.
true. very true.
because you dont get it. Alex Jones has transformed you into something very scary....(and equally tragic and sad) I'm sure you were actually a cold dude at some point.
Clearly he has no clue what he is talking about.
...some might not like the format, but the information is what it is, and...well... it is...
The American Idol crowd usually aren't big Jones fans, but then again they watch American Idol to hate on people and laugh at them for amusment.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Lindsay Williams is lucky he isn't dead already.
I heard Larry Kudlow on CNBC the other night SPECIFICALY reiterate what Lindsay said he was told.
Kudlow was like "oil going to $30 a barrel would be GREAT! It would CRUSH Iran, and Venezuela ... and it would put that creep Putin back in his place!"
I think Lindsay got a simplified explanation,
but the same collusion that brought oil to $150 is most certainly bringing it crashing right back down.
I keep getting the feeling that we've already been had.
Whats that saying about the trap already being sprung?
They got their bailout. They're getting their election.
They're half way to getting a world financial regulatory body,
and the future of US sovereignty is starting to look disturbingly bleak.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Oil currently at 55.9 a barrel.
Lindsay made his statement when oil was at $145 a barrel.
Hmm.
He was on AJ recently ... i haven't had a chance to listen to it yet ...
i can bet one thing though ... Lindsay was pretty well under the impression that McCain was "their man", and that he would win regardless.
So in that context, maybe he is 50\50 on his "predictions".
lol.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=EUR&amt=1&t=3m
Yeah.
Thats the glory of global central bank coordination.
wait till they get their monitary "global governance" structures in place, and they can manipulate the currencies of regions at a whim.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Assuming Lindsay Williams did ... yes?
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Lesson learned for another time, I suppose.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
49.63 now.
That crazy old Lindsay, and his lies about having an inside informer.
I'm SURE he made it all up.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I'm seeing $48.70....
love in an elevator? going down?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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D'oh.
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
On the money there.
They may lose some income over it, but I dont see the middle east "utterly destroyed" over it. They have lived well for ages on much lower prices than 50$. If this drop had come after say 5-10 years on 100+$ then it might hurt. Now, they are just losing their extra money.
The dollar is currently strengthening itself considerably.
No new oil fields to speak of. And we wont hear of them either if oil prices stay low.
Well, he sure was misinformed there.
Well, that happened, but coming in July, it isn't as prophetic as it could have been, since things were already winding down back then.
If we keep the middle east prospect out of it (which can be undecided, but I think also is wrong), he's right on 2 and wrong on 3 of these points.
This was presented as "they" somehow would be manipulating the price of oil regardless of the general economy. But what happened was a financial crisis that hurt all of the economy, and hence the price of oil since demand plummeted. (As it will if businesses slow down)
From calculations I have read from oil analysts, there is no doubt that the oil will spring back up to 100ish dollars when the current crisis has run it's course. So this 50$ a barrel will not last. Unless, of course, the entire world economy collapses totally. But then we wont be concerned with the price pr barrel of oil.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
How will the Arabs fare with $25\Barrel Oil?
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Lindsay Williams still talking about it. [2 weeks ago]
STILL Talking! [3 days ago]
Whats Going To Happen In The Next 12 Months
If I opened it now would you not understand?
What I have got so far, according to this guy, is that the elite, the small group of people that own and control everything, are trying to destroy the American dollar, trying to turn the US into a 2nd/3rd world country, and so on.
What is the point of that? They can exploit all the resources on the planet, but if they don't have a market for them what is the point? historically, countries have been exploited and reduced to 3rd world status and forced (through IMF/WB, through debt) to EXPORT their natural resources TO the United States. The US was the center, all countries sent/send their natural resources here, paying off imaginary debts created by these IMf/WB loans.
If they reduce the US to a third world status and exploit our resources and labor, who are they going to sell it too?? who is going to benefit?
How does the elite benefit by turning the first world into third world status? Its doesn't make sense to me. Yeah its scary, yeah this guy predicted a lot of shit, but logically I fail to see how this will benefit the elite. They need a market. governments alone cannot handle the volume. Corporations can exploit all the resources the want, they still need a market for their goods.
So, what's the point in de-valuing the American dollar and turning the United States into a second/third world country?
Well,
historically the wealth of the elite RISES as the wealth of the rest of the country flounders.
They use the crashes to consolidate power, wealth, and control.
If you are sitting at the top, with insider information, and capable of putting your wealth in ANY asset class across the world, you could potentialy devalue the dollar, and have your wealth in "safe" assets abroad, then use them to come back in to the country and buy it up.
I still truly believe that there is a sick group of people at the top that views American Sovereignty very generally as the greatest threat to their preeminent power.
Destroying the dollar would go a LONG way towards twisting sovereignty out of America's arm. We would come screaming to the as yet created global authorities to help us out, would accept whatever conditions imposed, to get bailed out of that mess.
THAT is what they stand to gain, in an oversimplified nutshell. CONTROL.
All or nothing.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
These people, aren't they already in control of Congress and the President in the US? According to this guy they are. If they can get them to do what they want, they already have control. (granted resource control is the first stage in population control) but if they already have that, as well as basically a direct control over our government, again according to this guy, they should have what they need. The only way for them to gain more would be to subject us all to extreme poverty. Which is something I don't think the people in the US will put up with for very long.
The 1920's saw massive public participation in structure of the system...they shut Philadelphia down. General strikes, massive public protests, it was nation wide. The people in charge had no choice, they had to give in to our demands. Fuck it, let em try it again, the repercussions will be more than they can handle. there goes the very idea of a corporation. there goes the idea of a corporate lobyist. there goes the idea of laboring for someone else. there goes the very core of their structure, their basis for control. this shit has been happening through human histroy, and with every revolution, every time the population rises up, THEY lose. this time will be no different.
Well.
You are half right, commrade.
Here are the two parts:
1. Ownership of the Government
“the real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson"
–Franklin D Roosevelt, 1933
“These international bankers and Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of public office officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government.”
–Theodore Roosevelt
“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.”
–James Madison
“Capital must protect itself in every possible way, both by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When through the process of law the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers. These truths are well known among our principal men who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance. It is thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished.”
–US Banker’s Association Magazine, 1924
“The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than the aristocracy, more selfish than the bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes.”
–Abraham Lincoln
2. True Control
“Let us face reality. The framers (of the Constitution) have simply been too shrewd for us. They have outwitted us. They designed separate institutions that cannot be unified by mechanical linkages, frail bridges, (or) tinkering. If we are to turn the founders upside down… we must directly confront the Constitutional structure they erected.”
Admiral James MacGregor Burns, Council on Foreign Relations member, 1984
They may OWN most of the government (although SOME congressman are still of merit!), but to gain FULL control, they must UTTERLY DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION!
And on the issue of this revolution you speak of:
First Off:
“To expose a 15 Trillion dollar ripoff of the American people by the stockholders of the 1000 largest corporations over the last 100 years will be a tall order of business.” –Buckminster Fuller
But Then:
“The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”
–Lord Acton
“What is needed here is a return to the Constitution of the United States. We need to have a complete divorce of Bank and State. The old struggle that was fought out here in Jackson’s day must be fought over again… The Federal Reserve Act should be repealed and the Federal Reserve Banks, having violated their charters, should be liquidated immediately. Faithless Government officers who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to trial. Unless this is done by us, I predict that the American people, outraged, robbed, pillaged, insulted, and betrayed as they are in their own land, will rise in their wrath and send a President here who will sweep the money changers out of the temple.
- Louis McFadden, US Congressman, 1932
“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it.”
–Abraham Lincoln
Anyhow.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
No, actually if this were a test, Lindsay failed.
1. He was right regarding the lowering of oil prices...for now. However, was he right regarding the reason? The previous increase in oil prices was one of the culprits of the problems with the US economy. The oil price increases led to the increase in prices of food and other necessities, which then led to the fact that Americans couldn't buy cars and other big items. Americans stopped traveling as much, many dumped their big-ass gas guzzling cars, and most got behind a big push for alternative energy resources - which was a huge factor in the election. This all caused a surplus in oil, which is why gas prices are going down. OPEC maintained all along that they were not the main reason for the increase in gas prices; it was caused by greedy oil companies, whom profited hugely, while everyone else was struggling. Hmm...perhaps the oil companies want us to forget that we need alternative energy resources? The decrease in oil prices will help the US economy, as it should lead to the decrease in prices of food and necessities. In the end Americans will be able to buy more...big-ass gas guzzling cars again?
2. He was wrong about McCain. Their man McCain lost and it wasn't even close.
3. The US dollar is up as oil prices are decreasing and the US economy is tanking. Why? Because so many other countries invested in the US economy so as we tank so will they but only faster. As I posted in another thread, the banking bailout was not only seen necessary for the US economy, but also to the European Union as they have so much invested in the US economy, especially in AIG.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/3118994/Financial-Crisis-So-much-for-tirades-against-American-greed.html
If Lindsay is onto to something, perhaps it is to break the Euro not the dollar? The way I understand it, the dollar was the widely used currency worldwide until the Euro became a dominating currency, leading to other countries to switched from using the dollar to the Euro.
It is much easier to come up with a conspiracy theory after it happens
The company my wife works for over here in england does alot of business with the middle east, it was there main earner, now alot of there projects in the middle east are being scaled down or stoped due to lack of funds.
I'm not saying the middle east will be destroyed, or that lindsay is right, but they certainly are not holding up so well if they are scaling back on there spending.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.