I have to admit...I like ol' ronnie boy...It seems to tell it like it is, kinda like your boy Dennis...
that would be an interesting ticket...
He doesn't want the government involved in anything it seems...he's never even accepted medicare/medicaid from any of his patients...he said he thinks it's wrong. I don't think Dennis' single payer healthcare plan will wash over to well with Paul. And this is just one example.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The Bush stooges in the media (it's not just Faux News) will surely be using the word traitor to describe Paul before too long.
Three or four years ago that would be true. I don't think so anymore. There are not that many Bush stooges left in the media or anywhere else.
This is the perfect time for Paul. The country is still growing more conservative, but the war has really turned us off of that brand of conservatism. It has also reminded us of how unhappy we are with spending tax dollars. The next biggest villian after the war are the recipients of entitlements (not corporate welfare, but bread and milk welfare). Ron Paul plays perfectly into it. And by now, people recognize that when he, unlike a neo-con, says "you know better how to spend your money than the government does" that he acutally means it. When Bush said it (in hindsight, anyway), it's almost laughable.
That almost makes me seem like a Paul fan. I really am not. I understand, but do not agree with libertarianism. At any rate, I remain throughly convinced that people like him and Kuchinich, neither of whom stand a chance, are important to remind these two parties of their non-Religious right and non-GOP suckup bases, respecitively.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
He doesn't want the government involved in anything it seems...he's never even accepted medicare/medicaid from any of his patients...he said he thinks it's wrong. I don't think Dennis' single payer healthcare plan will wash over to well with Paul. And this is just one example.
No. That would not be a ticket. They are the two farthest apart candidates of all from a fiscal standpoint (though they mesh better socially speaking).
I'd take that ticket though, as long as it started with a "K"
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
He doesn't want the government involved in anything it seems...he's never even accepted medicare/medicaid from any of his patients...he said he thinks it's wrong. I don't think Dennis' single payer healthcare plan will wash over to well with Paul. And this is just one example.
But Paul doesn't want any government interference for workers rights, environmental regulations on companies, against UHC, loathes the dept of education. These are all the things Dennis would like to see boosted up. I can't see how it would ever work.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
But Paul doesn't want any government interference for workers rights, environmental regulations on companies, against UHC, loathes the dept of education. These are all the things Dennis would like to see boosted up. I can't see how it would ever work.
yeah, yeah....details details...why do you always have to be right...:p
let's say for fun, Pauly wins, it's not like the congress is going to do everything he wants...oh, wait...bushy pretty much gets his way...um...a...um...
let's say for fun, Pauly wins, it's not like the congress is going to do everything he wants...oh, wait...bushy pretty much gets his way...um...a...um...
I'll have to get back to you on this....:D
That's what worries me...I think some people (not you because I know you'll weigh out all the issues) are jumping on the Ron Paul bandwagon without taking the time to look at the big picture and all of what Paul's vision will include.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
That's what worries me...I think some people (not you because I know you'll weigh out all the issues) are jumping on the Ron Paul bandwagon without taking the time to look at the big picture and all of what Paul's vision will include.
honestly...I'm waiting for the 3rd party candidate to jump in the ring...all hell will break loose then...
at this point, I really don't support anyone...it's waaaaaaaaaaaay to early and too many things will happen between now and then....
I don't care for being realistic ...I'm gonna vote my conscience. But the way so many of these Ron Paul supporters go about it makes me just wanna tune it out. When ffg or mammasan were posting about him they used reason and debated well...they didn't resort to the same tactics as the fanatics.
This is exactly my thought on the Ron Paul phenomenon right now. As I've said before, many of the supporters got on my (and others') nerves early on. I think this really turns people away from the candidate.
That's what worries me...I think some people (not you because I know you'll weigh out all the issues) are jumping on the Ron Paul bandwagon without taking the time to look at the big picture and all of what Paul's vision will include.
It is precisely his principled vision that attracts me to his candidacy.
I feel about Paul the way you feel about Kucinich. I feel about Kucinich the way you feel about Paul. They are nearly polar opposites in philosophy, but both are driven by principle. Both derive platforms from those principles. Neither says things just they don't believe just to increase their numbers.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
It is precisely his principled vision that attracts me to his candidacy.
I feel about Paul the way you feel about Kucinich. I feel about Kucinich the way you feel about Paul. They are nearly polar opposites in philosophy, but both are driven by principle. Both derive platforms from those principles. Neither says things just they don't believe just to increase their numbers.
Oh yeah, I know you do. I should have mentioned you earlier, too. I just can't understand people who are more liberal/leftist leaning who support UHC, Dept of Ed, combating global warming etc...supporting Ron Paul, it makes no sense to me.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I just can't understand people who are more liberal/leftist leaning who support UHC, Dept of Ed, combating global warming etc...supporting Ron Paul, it makes no sense to me.
to me, it seems like Ron Paul is the political equivalent of the livestrong bracelets. The reason for the bracelets has long since passed, and now they're nothing more than a fashion statement.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
to me, it seems like Ron Paul is the political equivalent of the livestrong bracelets. The reason for the bracelets has long since passed, and now they're nothing more than a fashion statement.
And that's a shame. People really need to look into ALL their candidate stands for not just the stuff that sounds good and ignore the rest.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Obama/Osama...Fox already dealt their death blows to the guy months ago...and Fox is to America like ice cream is to children.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
see, this is why it's never a good idea to argue with a fanboy. You can't convince them that they're wrong. No matter the evidence, no matter the logic, their love of Ron Paul defies everything.
Your astroturfed numbers are irrelevant and your candidate is irrelevant.
I don't love Ron Paul. Get out of Iraq, kill the IRS, reduce gov't, send out a different message not America the killers will kill everyone. The rest of what he does , I could care less. Trivial in comparison.
So who's fanboy are you
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I don't love Ron Paul. Get out of Iraq, kill the IRS, reduce gov't, send out a different message not America the killers will kill everyone. The rest of what he does , I could care less. Trivial in comparison.
So who's fanboy are you
Trivial??
Protecting the less fortunate, the environment, healthcare, education and worker's rights are trival now?
There are other candidates wanting to pull out of Iraq immediately.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Protecting the less fortunate, the environment, healthcare, education and worker's rights are trival now?
There are other candidates wanting to pull out of Iraq immediately.
I'm a realist. Reduce govt'...democracy will return, power to the people...the rest will fall nicely into place over time.
Paul is the next step up from Kucinich, and honestly I don't see Dennis taking it. It would be a miracle....and even still.
Reducing gov't and killing the IRS is a bingo combination in my opinion. #1 and #2.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm a realist. Reduce govt'...democracy will return, power to the people...the rest will fall nicely into place over time.
So you're just hoping everything will fall into place if Paul's elected after he guts all of the social programs and what not? And also, a realist doesn't usually support a long shot like Paul.
I don't think Ron Paul is necessarily a longshot....less than Kucinich anyways.
I trust that if you give the voice back to the people and make gov't accountable the system will work out for all. Health care social programs etc etc.
not one candidate is perfect, it's like shopping for a house.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I trust that if you give the voice back to the people and make gov't accountable the system will work out for all. Health care social programs etc etc.
So by taking government out of the picture...the people will regain their voice and then put the government back in. Then why take it out? Because for Paul, it's not just about holding this corrupt government accountable, he doesn't agree with the principle of government programs.
What makes you think that? Seems to me, he's every bit as much of a long shot as Kucinich and it's waaay early on.
So by taking government out of the picture...the people will regain their voice and then put the government back in. Then why take it out? Because for Paul, it's not just about holding this corrupt government accountable, he doesn't agree with the principle of government programs.
Of course, some are just more perfect than others...it just depends on what's important to you.
The system needs to be redone no? How do you do that? Well, you take it out, fix it, and put it back in...but better.
Ron Paul has much better stage presence. Everything is all about image, especially in America. I think he stands one of the best chances out of anyone in the race thus far. Kucinich is perfect world scenario, Paul is real world scenario imo.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The system needs to be redone no? How do you do that? Well, you take it out, fix it, and put it back in...but better.
Ron Paul has much better stage presence. Everything is all about image, especially in America. I think he stands one of the best chances out of anyone in the race thus far. Kucinich is perfect world scenario, Paul is real world scenario imo.
You fix it, not scrap it, imo. You don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Paul figgets and is a bit awkward when he speaks but he is intelligent. He has no better stage presence than anyone else, though. I give two shits about image, anyways and won't be deciding my vote on it. But that's a beyond optimistic stance you've got there to think he stands the best chance out of anyone in the field.
I just don't understand it coming from a poster who's started global warming threads, who has been so outspoken in the healthcare threads, seemed so passionate and so on to just turn libertarian over night.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You fix it, not scrap it, imo. You don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Paul figgets and is a bit awkward when he speaks but he is intelligent. He has no better stage presence than anyone else, though. I give two shits about image, anyways and won't be deciding my vote on it. But that's a beyond optimistic stance you've got there to think he stands the best chance out of anyone in the field.
I just don't understand it coming from a poster who's started global warming threads, who has been so outspoken in the healthcare threads, seemed so passionate and so on to just turn libertarian over night.
Exactly. Voting for Ron Paul is the opposite of voting for big government.
I have trouble with being on the fence between Kucinich and Paul. Paul is anti-government. Kucinich believes government can solve all of our problems. There's some huge differences there.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Kucinich will get assassinated going in the way he is right after Bush.
Voting for him is almost like killing him.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Kucinich will get assassinated going in the way he is right after Bush.
Voting for him is almost like killing him.
i hate to break it to you, but statisticaly, Ron Paul has a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher chance of assassination, if elected.
Remember, he wants to ABOLISH THE FEDERAL RESERVE.
Look at history:
Jackson -- Was a strong opponent of the Central Bank. Only president IN HISTORY to pay off the national debt. -- Assassination ATTEMPTED
Lincoln -- Could not get a bank loan to fund his war at anything less than usury rates ... decided to print his OWN money ... interest free ... greenbacks. Assassination SUCCESFULL
Kennedy -- Opposed the Federal Reserve, issued Executive Order 11110 to allow congress the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." ... five months later, Assassination SUCCESFULL ...
Paul -- Opposes the Federal Reserve. TO BE DETERMINED
!!!
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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He doesn't want the government involved in anything it seems...he's never even accepted medicare/medicaid from any of his patients...he said he thinks it's wrong. I don't think Dennis' single payer healthcare plan will wash over to well with Paul.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Three or four years ago that would be true. I don't think so anymore. There are not that many Bush stooges left in the media or anywhere else.
This is the perfect time for Paul. The country is still growing more conservative, but the war has really turned us off of that brand of conservatism. It has also reminded us of how unhappy we are with spending tax dollars. The next biggest villian after the war are the recipients of entitlements (not corporate welfare, but bread and milk welfare). Ron Paul plays perfectly into it. And by now, people recognize that when he, unlike a neo-con, says "you know better how to spend your money than the government does" that he acutally means it. When Bush said it (in hindsight, anyway), it's almost laughable.
That almost makes me seem like a Paul fan. I really am not. I understand, but do not agree with libertarianism. At any rate, I remain throughly convinced that people like him and Kuchinich, neither of whom stand a chance, are important to remind these two parties of their non-Religious right and non-GOP suckup bases, respecitively.
No. That would not be a ticket. They are the two farthest apart candidates of all from a fiscal standpoint (though they mesh better socially speaking).
I'd take that ticket though, as long as it started with a "K"
I'm sure they would work to compromise...:D
But Paul doesn't want any government interference for workers rights, environmental regulations on companies, against UHC, loathes the dept of education. These are all the things Dennis would like to see boosted up. I can't see how it would ever work.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yeah, yeah....details details...why do you always have to be right...:p
it's this http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/privacy-and-personal-liberty/ that makes me like him
let's say for fun, Pauly wins, it's not like the congress is going to do everything he wants...oh, wait...bushy pretty much gets his way...um...a...um...
I'll have to get back to you on this....:D
That's what worries me...I think some people (not you because I know you'll weigh out all the issues) are jumping on the Ron Paul bandwagon without taking the time to look at the big picture and all of what Paul's vision will include.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
honestly...I'm waiting for the 3rd party candidate to jump in the ring...all hell will break loose then...
at this point, I really don't support anyone...it's waaaaaaaaaaaay to early and too many things will happen between now and then....
I'll just leave these with you then....;)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OOB0f3I1AXk healthcare
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OfKN5Ld5J2M global warming
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ol1OOnVveXk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kY-z8MC0UAw
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
This is exactly my thought on the Ron Paul phenomenon right now. As I've said before, many of the supporters got on my (and others') nerves early on. I think this really turns people away from the candidate.
It is precisely his principled vision that attracts me to his candidacy.
I feel about Paul the way you feel about Kucinich. I feel about Kucinich the way you feel about Paul. They are nearly polar opposites in philosophy, but both are driven by principle. Both derive platforms from those principles. Neither says things just they don't believe just to increase their numbers.
Oh yeah, I know you do. I should have mentioned you earlier, too. I just can't understand people who are more liberal/leftist leaning who support UHC, Dept of Ed, combating global warming etc...supporting Ron Paul, it makes no sense to me.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
to me, it seems like Ron Paul is the political equivalent of the livestrong bracelets. The reason for the bracelets has long since passed, and now they're nothing more than a fashion statement.
—Dorothy Parker
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And that's a shame. People really need to look into ALL their candidate stands for not just the stuff that sounds good and ignore the rest.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I don't love Ron Paul. Get out of Iraq, kill the IRS, reduce gov't, send out a different message not America the killers will kill everyone. The rest of what he does , I could care less. Trivial in comparison.
So who's fanboy are you
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Trivial??
Protecting the less fortunate, the environment, healthcare, education and worker's rights are trival now?
There are other candidates wanting to pull out of Iraq immediately.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'm a realist. Reduce govt'...democracy will return, power to the people...the rest will fall nicely into place over time.
Paul is the next step up from Kucinich, and honestly I don't see Dennis taking it. It would be a miracle....and even still.
Reducing gov't and killing the IRS is a bingo combination in my opinion. #1 and #2.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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So you're just hoping everything will fall into place if Paul's elected after he guts all of the social programs and what not? And also, a realist doesn't usually support a long shot like Paul.
A step up, how?
And you don't think Paul would have to take the same miracle to win?
Yep, money trumps all else. What was I thinking? Those lazy MFers can pull themselves up by the bootstraps and do without healthcare!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I trust that if you give the voice back to the people and make gov't accountable the system will work out for all. Health care social programs etc etc.
not one candidate is perfect, it's like shopping for a house.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
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What makes you think that? Seems to me, he's every bit as much of a long shot as Kucinich and it's waaay early on.
So by taking government out of the picture...the people will regain their voice and then put the government back in.
Of course, some are just more perfect than others...it just depends on what's important to you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The system needs to be redone no? How do you do that? Well, you take it out, fix it, and put it back in...but better.
Ron Paul has much better stage presence. Everything is all about image, especially in America. I think he stands one of the best chances out of anyone in the race thus far. Kucinich is perfect world scenario, Paul is real world scenario imo.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
You fix it, not scrap it, imo. You don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Paul figgets and is a bit awkward when he speaks but he is intelligent. He has no better stage presence than anyone else, though. I give two shits about image, anyways and won't be deciding my vote on it. But that's a beyond optimistic stance you've got there to think he stands the best chance out of anyone in the field.
I just don't understand it coming from a poster who's started global warming threads, who has been so outspoken in the healthcare threads, seemed so passionate and so on to just turn libertarian over night.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Exactly. Voting for Ron Paul is the opposite of voting for big government.
I have trouble with being on the fence between Kucinich and Paul. Paul is anti-government. Kucinich believes government can solve all of our problems. There's some huge differences there.
-Enoch Powell
Voting for him is almost like killing him.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
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i hate to break it to you, but statisticaly, Ron Paul has a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher chance of assassination, if elected.
Remember, he wants to ABOLISH THE FEDERAL RESERVE.
Look at history:
Jackson -- Was a strong opponent of the Central Bank. Only president IN HISTORY to pay off the national debt. -- Assassination ATTEMPTED
Lincoln -- Could not get a bank loan to fund his war at anything less than usury rates ... decided to print his OWN money ... interest free ... greenbacks. Assassination SUCCESFULL
Kennedy -- Opposed the Federal Reserve, issued Executive Order 11110 to allow congress the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." ... five months later, Assassination SUCCESFULL ...
Paul -- Opposes the Federal Reserve. TO BE DETERMINED
!!!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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