The preacher man says it's the end of time... What do YOU believe in?

DriftingByTheStorm

Religious or not,
the bible talks about end times and global government.

More frightening is that the language of some recent politicians mimicks these passages to the word.

What do YOU believe in?

Now ask your self, what do THEY believe in?

???

Collin

I don't believe it's the end of time. The video shows single quotes. Hitler wasn't talking about the same "new world order" as Gorbachev, for example. To properly judge these quotes you'd need a full context.

Now of course the idea that certain people want a "new world order" isn't that far-fetched. It isn't necessarily a bad thing either.

I'm really not concerned that the bible predicts world government and the end of times. And are you refering to the "peace and security" part? If so, I'm not really concerned about that either.

Even if a global government should come into existence, I don't think it will be the end of times.

DriftingByTheStorm

Collin wrote:

Hitler wasn't talking about the same "new world order" as Gorbachev, for example.

See Collin.
To me, that IS the point.

They WEREN'T talking about the same thing.

That is why world government is so dangerous.

Obviously what our forefathers intended here in the United States is NOT what we currently have.

We have the "same" government that they had, but the people running it today aren't "talking about the same" thing.

Even the Kennedy's believed in the idea of world government. Yeah, both RFK and JFK mentioned "a new world order" at least once.

But that IS the PROBLEM.
What JFK and RFK saw was probably a beautiful thing. An idyllic vision of order, justice, equity, and peace for all.

However, what Hitler saw, what Rockefeller probably sees, and what many others who speak of a "new world order" see is the potential for massive profit and personal gain at the expense of those whom they rule over.

The only difference between what JFK saw and what Hitler saw was the difference between the natures of the men themselves. One was a kind and noble man who saw no color of skin and no limit to the human spirit; but the other was a self obsessed, genocidal, maniacal occultist lunatic. See? The difference lies only in the benevolence of the ruling class, or the malevolence of the opressive regime.

You can not have a global institution of government, because it is ONLY as good as those who rule it. It only takes getting the leader wrong ONCE to fuck it up FOREVER, and with world government there is NO ALTERNATIVE.

How people can not understand that is beyond me, because in the United States you need look no farther than towards our OWN capitol to understand this notion: even the greatest and best intentioned form of government can be corrupted.

Probably the most important and powerful of all the legal concepts with which our forefathers endowed us concerning government is that of the divine and inherent right of the people "to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government" when their old government "becomes destructive of these ends".

In a New World Order there is NO right to abolish your government.

You are trapped.
And it will not matter the difference between the notions of Kennedy, Gorbachev or Hitler.

Collin

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

See Collin.
To me, that IS the point.

They WEREN'T talking about the same thing.

That is why world government is so dangerous.

Obviously what our forefathers intended here in the United States is NOT what we currently have.

We have the "same" government that they had, but the people running it today aren't "talking about the same" thing.

Even the Kennedy's believed in the idea of world government. Yeah, both RFK and JFK mentioned "a new world order" at least once.

But that IS the PROBLEM.
What JFK and RFK saw was probably a beautiful thing. An idyllic vision of order, justice, equity, and peace for all.

However, what Hitler saw, what Rockefeller probably sees, and what many others who speak of a "new world order" see is the potential for massive profit and personal gain at the expense of those whom they rule over.

The only difference between what JFK saw and what Hitler saw was the difference between the natures of the men themselves. One was a kind and noble man who saw no color of skin and no limit to the human spirit; but the other was a self obsessed, genocidal, maniacal occultist lunatic. See? The difference lies only in the benevolence of the ruling class, or the malevolence of the opressive regime.

You can not have a global institution of government, because it is ONLY as good as those who rule it. It only takes getting the leader wrong ONCE to fuck it up FOREVER, and with world government there is NO ALTERNATIVE.

How people can not understand that is beyond me, because in the United States you need look no farther than towards our OWN capitol to understand this notion: even the greatest and best intentioned form of government can be corrupted.

Probably the most important and powerful of all the legal concepts with which our forefathers endowed us concerning government is that of the divine and inherent right of the people "to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government" when their old government "becomes destructive of these ends".

In a New World Order there is NO right to abolish your government.

You are trapped.
And it will not matter the difference between the notions of Kennedy, Gorbachev or Hitler.

There is no global government, so I think it's a bit early to say what rights you'll have. I also think it will be a while before we witness a "new world order", the kind you are talking about anyway.

All regimes, all systems fall eventually. We wouldn't be trapped because there's a way out.

Heineken Helen

I think we should stop worrying about when the world's gonna end... and place all that energy into trying to stop it from ending :cool:

Politicians, much as they are privee to information that we don't even DREAM about, are no closer than us to knowing when the world is going to end.

LikeAnOcean

The world's been going to end every few years since the inception of religion..

The world will be just fine. It's about fear and control. If you fear the world is going to end, you are going to be more easily controlled.

What exactly is supposed to end in the world?

DriftingByTheStorm

LikeAnOcean wrote:

The world's been going to end every few years since the inception of religion..

The world will be just fine. It's about fear and control. If you fear the world is going to end, you are going to be more easily controlled.

What exactly is supposed to end in the world?

I'm not really suggesting apocalypse.

I'm just attempting to illustrate for those who continously deny the protaganism by many towards world government that such beliefs do exist and are a strong force.

The fact that the authors of the Bible anticipated this great push, and held the belief that it would bring massive pain and suffering is, to me, merely a telling sign.

russmc

Well the oldest calendar is from the Mayans, and they have it ending in May of 2012.

Commy

russmc wrote:

Well the oldest calendar is from the Mayans, and they have it ending in May of 2012.

We can only hope.

Collin

Commy wrote:

We can only hope.

Yeah, but in 2012 people will discover they've made some "miscalculations" and the actually end of times will be in 2032... And in 2032 they'll find out it's really in 2051.

Heineken Helen

Commy wrote:

We can only hope.

:eek: I don't wanna die! :(

even flow?

I believe that I can't stand religious people who don't want to die.

fanch75

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Religious or not,
the bible talks about end times and global government.

More frightening is that the language of some recent politicians mimicks these passages to the word.

What do YOU believe in?

Now ask your self, what do THEY believe in?

???

I have no idea when it will be. I believe it will get a lot worse than it is now before the end days.

Heineken Helen

even flow? wrote:

I believe that I can't stand religious people who don't want to die.

why? think about it... there are no risks in heaven and I like risks!

Collin

Heineken Helen wrote:

why? think about it... there are no risks in heaven and I like risks!

Plenty of risks in hell, though

Rhinocerous Surprise

Heineken Helen wrote:

why? think about it... there are no risks in heaven and I like risks!

I just got a mental image of you bungee jumping off a cloud.

Heineken Helen

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

I just got a mental image of you bungee jumping off a cloud.

but it wouldn't be the same... you KNOW you're not gonna die . As much fun as heaven sounds, it's good to live on the edge at times. Besides it's kinda like moving home... I like the one I'm in for now

Rhinocerous Surprise

Heineken Helen wrote:

but it wouldn't be the same... you KNOW you're not gonna die . As much fun as heaven sounds, it's good to live on the edge at times. Besides it's kinda like moving home... I like the one I'm in for now

You could still live on the edge... Write swear words on the Pearly Gates and such. You're not going to "die", but you could get in trouble with Old Man Peter.

Collin

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

You could still live on the edge... Write swear words on the Pearly Gates and such. You're not going to "die", but you could get in trouble with Old Man Peter.

Or fight Jesus :cool:

Heineken Helen

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

You could still live on the edge... Write swear words on the Pearly Gates and such. You're not going to "die", but you could get in trouble with Old Man Peter.

hmm... that's true but it's just I find it funny how people (yes, YOU even flow? ) think religious people should automatically want to die... just cos they believe in heaven... I believe in Russia but I don't wanna go there . Also Tahiti would be my impression of paradise on earth but I there's no point jumping straight to the best

Sludge Factory

Collin wrote:

Yeah, but in 2012 people will discover they've made some "miscalculations" and the actually end of times will be in 2032... And in 2032 they'll find out it's really in 2051.

Hold on! All we need to do is gather all 15 of the crystal skulls and imminent doom will be diverted. We won't need to rely on miscalculations then.