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anti-war protester get in Rice's face

darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/24/war-protester-gets-into-r_n_69755.html

Now the video is hugely out of context, you don't see the build-up to the "confrontation" but it was quite interesting someone got that close to Rice without being challange. The video then cuts to two anti-war protesters (both women i think) being man-handled by a few cops out of the room. Again the video does not show if the two also tried to get to Rice or were just screaming "war criminal".... interesting nevertheless.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Think this was great......forced Condi to at least think about her inactions.
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  • krzzzymarykrzzzymary Posts: 458
    cool!
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  • TrixieCatTrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    No one on this planet pisses me off more than her...not even W.
    I wish that woman had gotten to slap Condi across the face.
    I also would like to know why the cops were using such force with the woman they were dragging out in the hot pink shirt. She was different, yes?
    pigs....
    Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
    And I don't feel right when you're gone away
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    top notch security there at the capitol.....:rolleyes:.....
  • brucebruce Posts: 384
    As much as I disagree with Ms. Rice..... the Supreme Court adopted a time, place, manor doctrine for a reason.

    Edit: Meaning I don't think protesters should be allowed in the room...out side of the building yes. In the room no.
    Writing checks that others pay.....

  • Delaware VolDelaware Vol Posts: 30
    Hilarious, if that crazy lady was a republican or a conservative "protesting" some left-wing figure/cause.... Said protester would be accused of facsism or censorship....
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    If you turn the volume up really loud you can hear Condi utter "don't go there"

    Bitch almost got clawed to death..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • dg1979usdg1979us Posts: 568
    I dont like this administration at all, but I cant see how people think this type of behavior helps their cause in the least bit. The lady comes across as an instable nut job, and most people arent going to get past that to even understand her message.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I agree that

    a) she is not helping her cause but looking and acting like a loony toon

    b) she should not be allowed in the room.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    It doesn't accomplish anything but make people say...hehe ..hey..lookie...crazy person...lol

    To be fair, It is a reasonable shortcut given the ever extensive avenues of "proper" public discourse. I think it's more of a societal barometer than anything.

    When people act out like that, It's a sign that something is appreciably wrong with the system.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • dg1979usdg1979us Posts: 568
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It doesn't accomplish anything but make people say...hehe ..hey..lookie...crazy person...lol

    To be fair, It is a reasonable shortcut given the ever extensive avenues of "proper" public discourse. I think it's more of a societal barometer than anything.

    When people act out like that, It's a sign that something is appreciably wrong with the system.


    I dont agree. I think with organized protests and things of that nature you have a point. I think when a smattering of people like in this case, or like on Maher's show last week, acting out to more or less cause a scene and be disruptive, it makes them look like nutjobs and actually turns people away from that kind of fringe element of the anti-war movement.
  • TrixieCatTrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    dg1979us wrote:
    I dont like this administration at all, but I cant see how people think this type of behavior helps their cause in the least bit. The lady comes across as an instable nut job, and most people arent going to get past that to even understand her message.
    You don't think people are going to get her message? lol
    She had blood splattered all over her face and was calling Condi a war criminal.
    And you know what? It has people here talking. Maybe that was her point.
    To remind people and get them talking.
    I still wish she had slapped Condi...
    Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
    And I don't feel right when you're gone away
  • Delaware VolDelaware Vol Posts: 30
    That last post was great. It's disruptive, inappropriate, mean spirited, crazy etc....... to boot. I believe that "protesters" that pull this kind of stunt, ie-Code Pinkos, should have their privilege of protesting permanently revoked.....
  • dg1979usdg1979us Posts: 568
    TrixieCat wrote:
    You don't think people are going to get her message? lol
    She had blood splattered all over her face and was calling Condi a war criminal.
    And you know what? It has people here talking. Maybe that was her point.
    To remind people and get them talking.
    I still wish she had slapped Condi...


    It has people talking about HER, not about her message. People who post on a political message board dont need her to get us talking. If she wants to try to get people talking it should be the people who arent as involved in political discussions as most of us are. And Im sorry, but I would say that vast majority of those people will write her off as simply being a nut.
  • TrixieCatTrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    dg1979us wrote:
    It has people talking about HER, not about her message.
    You mean to tell me you don't know why she was there? lol
    It is hysterical.
    She was exercising her right to protest. It is her civil right to do so.
    You don't think that when clips are run on your local news or CNN that they are not explaining why she was there?
    Do you know why she was there?
    See? :)
    Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
    And I don't feel right when you're gone away
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    dg1979us wrote:
    I dont agree. I think with organized protests and things of that nature you have a point. I think when a smattering of people like in this case, or like on Maher's show last week, acting out to more or less cause a scene and be disruptive, it makes them look like nutjobs and actually turns people away from that kind of fringe element of the anti-war movement.

    Don't get me wrong, I hear you, but you have to ask yourself when did people become "crazy" like this? Why are people going to this extreme?

    It's not normal, but the sentiment is quite widespread...oddly and internationally so.

    Clarifying/disturbing.... either way. It's happening. You can't dismiss it 100%
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    when did people become "crazy" like this?

    Mental illness can be a birth defect.
  • Delaware VolDelaware Vol Posts: 30
    Wrong is wrong and inappropriate is inappropriate, regardless of the "sentiment." You can't justify irrational and/or juvenile behavior because you're "really mad" or "passionate" about something...
  • dg1979usdg1979us Posts: 568
    TrixieCat wrote:
    You mean to tell me you don't know why she was there? lol
    It is hysterical.
    She was exercising her right to protest. It is her civil right to do so.
    You don't think that when clips are run on your local news or CNN that they are not explaining why she was there?
    Do you know why she was there?
    See? :)


    Of course I know why she was there. But I am an anti-war guy, so with regards to me, she is preaching to the choir.

    Do you honestly think she is going to persuade anyone because of her behavior? If someone thinks Rice is a war criminal, they will continue to think that. If someone doesnt she is a war criminal, they are not going to now think she is, because a lady got in her face. I think that this method of protesting is at best a fruitless endeavor, at worse, actually hurts her cause.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    floyd1975 wrote:
    Mental illness can be a birth defect.


    Funny how it seems emancipating now by the millions, and everywhere.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • dg1979usdg1979us Posts: 568
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, I hear you, but you have to ask yourself when did people become "crazy" like this? Why are people going to this extreme?

    It's not normal, but the sentiment is quite widespread...oddly and internationally so.

    Clarifying/disturbing.... either way. It's happening. You can't dismiss it 100%


    But you can get your message across without acting "crazy". I mean the midterm election swinging in the dems favor was not because of people acting like this lady did. It was because of actual debate and commentary with people who could affectively get their message out on as why the repubs are wrong, and the dems are right. (though now the dems seem just as ineffective as the repubs)
  • TrixieCatTrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    dg1979us wrote:
    Of course I know why she was there. But I am an anti-war guy, so with regards to me, she is preaching to the choir.

    Do you honestly think she is going to persuade anyone because of her behavior? If someone thinks Rice is a war criminal, they will continue to think that. If someone doesnt she is a war criminal, they are not going to now think she is, because a lady got in her face. I think that this method of protesting is at best a fruitless endeavor, at worse, actually hurts her cause.
    And a thousand people outside the white house makes more sense? They are shining new light on the subject?
    As long as no physical harm is being done, she has the right to protest.
    She is not hurting the cause.
    Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
    And I don't feel right when you're gone away
  • dg1979usdg1979us Posts: 568
    TrixieCat wrote:
    And a thousand people outside the white house makes more sense? They are shining new light on the subject?
    As long as no physical harm is being done, she has the right to protest.
    She is not hurting the cause.


    I think thousands of people is symbolic simply because of the #s, and I think that can resonate with people far more than a handful of people who disrupt a hearing, TV show, etc.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    dg1979us wrote:
    But you can get your message across without acting "crazy". I mean the midterm election swinging in the dems favor was not because of people acting like this lady did. It was because of actual debate and commentary with people who could affectively get their message out on as why the repubs are wrong, and the dems are right. (though now the dems seem just as ineffective as the repubs)

    I think people feel there is no public voice anymore in the US, and the signs of desperation and discontent are beginning to show. As crazy as people may think some people are, it's ultimately a societal barometer and a sign that the system is not working properly.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • dg1979usdg1979us Posts: 568
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I think people feel there is no public voice anymore in the US, and the signs of desperation and discontent are beginning to show. As crazy as people may think some people are, it's ultimately a societal barometer and a sign that the system is not working properly.

    I understand what you are saying, and dont really disagree. I just disagree on the methods in how to get peoples attention, so the system can ultimately be changed.
  • Delaware VolDelaware Vol Posts: 30
    TrixieCat wrote:
    And a thousand people outside the white house makes more sense? They are shining new light on the subject?
    As long as no physical harm is being done, she has the right to protest.
    She is not hurting the cause.

    Well, it obviously depends on your point of view.... If you favor civil, peaceful protests, than yes the people outside the White House will get the job done.... However, if you're into menacing, stalking or dangerous protests than you're right---she was justified in her actions. In addition, you're right, she has a right to "protest", just not in that matter.... Hopefully, she was arrested and detained..... Could've been potentially very dangerous for Condi, those type of things can't be allowed to happen in this day and age---to dangerous.
  • TrixieCatTrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    dg1979us wrote:
    I think thousands of people is symbolic simply because of the #s, and I think that can resonate with people far more than a handful of people who disrupt a hearing, TV show, etc.
    But some people don't know how to assemble, or do not want to.
    Yes, she may be crazy. But people's passions are running high and sometimes they are not as organized with their thought. This was how she wanted to express herself, crazy to you or not. She is doing something. That is what matters to me. I think her heart, though her mind may not be in the right place.
    Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
    And I don't feel right when you're gone away
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I think people feel there is no public voice anymore in the US, and the signs of desperation and discontent are beginning to show. As crazy as people may think some people are, it's ultimately a societal barometer and a sign that the system is not working properly.

    I love how you claim to know so much about americans, being a canadian. have ever even been to america? and I love how you know how we feel? there is plenty of public voice here.

    a societal barometer? nice try. one crazy chick with ketchup on her hands and you think some american "system" isnt working.

    come visit us sometime. but that would require a passport. you know what that is right?
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    dg1979us wrote:
    But you can get your message across without acting "crazy". I mean the midterm election swinging in the dems favor was not because of people acting like this lady did. It was because of actual debate and commentary with people who could affectively get their message out on as why the repubs are wrong, and the dems are right. (though now the dems seem just as ineffective as the repubs)


    i get what you're saying....but i look at these types of protest as more of frustration.....this administration does not listen to it's constituent's....now this woman doing this isn't gonna change their minds, in fact i'm sure they got a big laugh out of it.....but i'm not sure what else we can do?
  • Delaware VolDelaware Vol Posts: 30
    I think she's from Connecticut, not Canada....
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