Ruling: Gay couples should have the same rights as hetrosexul couples

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    chromiam wrote:
    Honestly, I don't see the big deal if gays can marry. I mean take religion out of the equation and I don't see a reason to keep them from marrying. And don't give that sanctity of marriage bs.. divorce rates are, what, 40% or more, so heterosexuals sure don't care about sanctity.

    Amen...no argument on this issue drives me more crazy than the "sanctity of marriage" argument.
  • Nickrand
    Nickrand Posts: 140
    Okay, let's see how many people in this thread will view your solution as fair, realistic, and plausible.

    Perhaps others would like to share an opinion.
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  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    wow 9 pages for what amounts to virtually nothing for a non homosexual?

    Is it really that big of a deal? Why?

    It's essentially a tax deal. If it were up to me I'd abolish that whole system and go to the fair tax anyway.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    nice try, but in reality the judges threw it back to the legislature to make the decision about gay marriage..

    activist judges...hmm, where did you get that?

    I think I might know where.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    miller8966 wrote:
    This is honestly a case of activist liberal judges trying to impose their view on the majority of the people of new jersey, most of whom are against gay unions.

    Most of New Jerseyians are against same sex marriages? Maybe you should look up some facts before inserting your foot in your mouth. Most recent polls show that New Jerseyians support gay marriage 53% - 41%. Stop repeating RNC talking points, you are starting to sound like pychosinlove.
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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    mammasan wrote:
    Most of New Jerseyians are against same sex marriages? Maybe you should look up some facts before inserting your foot in your mouth. Most recent polls show that New Jerseyians support gay marriage 53% - 41%. Stop repeating RNC talking points, you are starting to sound like pychosinlove.

    Do you think same sex marriage unions should be decided on a state by state level?
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    miller8966 wrote:
    Do you think same sex marriage unions should be decided on a state by state level?


    I don't think that government on any level should decide if it's ok or not for two consenting adults to marry.
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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't think that government on any level should decide if it's ok or not for two consenting adults to marry.

    I believe it should be up to the states to decide. If the peopel of Nj want gay marriage than let them have it. AND if the people of Nj want to outlaw abortion they should allow that to go into law also
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Amen...no argument on this issue drives me more crazy than the "sanctity of marriage" argument.

    Me either. It's utterly ridiculous and laughable.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    miller8966 wrote:
    I believe it should be up to the states to decide. If the peopel of Nj want gay marriage than let them have it. AND if the people of Nj want to outlaw abortion they should allow that to go into law also

    If the government has to be involved, then yes it should be a state by state decision. That is exactly what is happening in NJ. The state courts have decided that it is unconstitutional for the state of New Jersey to refuse marriage rights to these people and have given the state legislature 180 days to remedy this as they see fit. Also as I already stated the people of New Jersey are in support of same sex unions/marriages.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    miller8966 wrote:
    I believe it should be up to the states to decide. If the peopel of Nj want gay marriage than let them have it. AND if the people of Nj want to outlaw abortion they should allow that to go into law also

    what if they move to another state later? under the full faith and credit clause, the other states should have to recognize that marriage as valid. thus, it can't be decided on a state-by-state basis cos we'd have folks like you throwing a conniption fit every time one of them queer couples tried to move from new jersey to alabama.
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Another instance where the black vote isnt heard...


    The only significant disparity in this overall support for gay marriage is found in the African American community. Whites support gay marriage 56 to 40 percent and nearly 70 percent of Hispanics support the idea. Yet, 53 percent of all African Americans oppose marriage for gay couples. In addition, nearly 7 in 10 New Jersey voters support the Domestic Partnership Bill currently in the NJ Legislature. And finally, nearly 80 percent of those polled said they “personally know someone” who is gay, lesbian or bi-sexual.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    miller8966 wrote:
    Another instance where the black vote isnt heard...


    The only significant disparity in this overall support for gay marriage is found in the African American community. Whites support gay marriage 56 to 40 percent and nearly 70 percent of Hispanics support the idea. Yet, 53 percent of all African Americans oppose marriage for gay couples. In addition, nearly 7 in 10 New Jersey voters support the Domestic Partnership Bill currently in the NJ Legislature. And finally, nearly 80 percent of those polled said they “personally know someone” who is gay, lesbian or bi-sexual.

    What does the black vote have to do with same sex marriage. If people want to be heard they should get off their asses go vote and stop bitching it.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    miller8966 wrote:
    Another instance where the black vote isnt heard...


    The only significant disparity in this overall support for gay marriage is found in the African American community. Whites support gay marriage 56 to 40 percent and nearly 70 percent of Hispanics support the idea. Yet, 53 percent of all African Americans oppose marriage for gay couples. In addition, nearly 7 in 10 New Jersey voters support the Domestic Partnership Bill currently in the NJ Legislature. And finally, nearly 80 percent of those polled said they “personally know someone” who is gay, lesbian or bi-sexual.

    funny how when the black vote is being shut out of florida and ohio to elect your guy for president, you dont care. but when the black vote helps your moral agenda, suddenly it's a travesty that they're being disenfranchised...
  • Abookamongstthemany
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    soulsinging wrote:
    funny how when the black vote is being shut out of florida and ohio to elect your guy for president, you dont care. but when the black vote helps your moral agenda, suddenly it's a travesty that they're being disenfranchised...

    Now that's a damn, fine point!
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    chromiam wrote:
    Honestly, I don't see the big deal if gays can marry. I mean take religion out of the equation and I don't see a reason to keep them from marrying. And don't give that sanctity of marriage bs.. divorce rates are, what, 40% or more, so heterosexuals sure don't care about sanctity.

    i think the fact of the matter is that the majority of Americans are opposed to gay marriage be they religious or otherwise.
    Furthermore, i think another question that begs to be answered is WHY is the divirce rate so high? You're right many heterosexuals no longer respect the sanctity of marriage. Its a huge problem. How will gay marriage help that? Do you really think Homosexual marriages would have a higher success rate? i personally think it will only further erode the respect people have for marriage. A question i like to ask, but have never gotten a straight answer on is, If marriage is so insignificant and old fashioned, why do gays want it so badly to begin with!
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    cornnifer wrote:
    i think the fact of the matter is that the majority of Americans are opposed to gay marriage be they religious or otherwise.
    Furthermore, i think another question that begs to be answered is WHY is the divirce rate so high? You're right many heterosexuals no longer respect the sanctity of marriage. Its a huge problem. How will gay marriage help that? Do you really think Homosexual marriages would have a higher success rate? i personally think it will only further erode the respect people have for marriage. A question i like to ask, but have never gotten a straight answer on is, If marriage is so insignificant and old fashioned, why do gays want it so badly to begin with!
    I think Nickrand answered that question a couple of pages back.
    Nickrand wrote:
    Approximately 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Among them are the rights to...

    - Joint parenting;
    - Joint adoption;
    - Joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
    - Status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
    - Joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
    - Dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
    - Immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
    - Inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
    - Joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
    - Inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
    - Benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
    - Spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
    - Veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
    - Joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
    - Wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
    - Bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
    - Decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
    - Crime victims' recovery benefits;
    - Loss of consortium tort benefits;
    - Domestic violence protection orders;
    - Judicial protections and evidentiary immunity;

    Most of these legal and economic benefits are those that cannot be privately arranged or contracted. For example, absent a legal (or civil) marriage, there is no guaranteed joint responsibility to the partner and to third parties (including children) in such areas as child support, debts to creditors, and tax law.

    In addition, private employers and institutions often give other economic privileges and other benefits only to married couples. And, of course, when people cannot marry, they are denied all the emotional and social benefits and responsibilities of marriage as well.
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  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    darkcrow wrote:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6083744.stm

    Gay couples should have the same rights as hetrosexul couples


    Of course they should.
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  • qwerty1
    qwerty1 Posts: 142
    I dream of the day when this isnt even an issue.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    hippiemom wrote:
    I think Nickrand answered that question a couple of pages back.

    Looks like a pretty extensive list of all the wrong reasons to get married. A bunch of legal crap. If thats all it is, i have to say you don't desreve marriage rights.
    Besides it still doesn't clearly answer my question. Why, out of one side of your face insist that marriage is "outdated, old fashioned, and pretty much meaningless" while out of the other side of your face demand marriage? For the reasons listed lin the post you quoted? Fuck that.
    Contrary to statements made by some, i contend that protecting the sanctity of marriage is a DAMN GOOD argument.
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