Yes I have heard of them... However I don't need one for every think I need to do with my family - which includes my wife - and her family ....
Gays.. need to get a lawyer and spend time and money guessing what could possibly happen to them - and draw powers of attorney? because they don't think like you? errr they don't fuck like you.. and guess what - I know you are adamantly opposed to abortion - these people are having sex that will not result in an unwanted pregnancy - that should be better to you than a young man and woman having sex - before they are ready for children..
sorry - I really muddied it up now... just that I think you have such tunnelvision - I get frustrated.
Again, you jump to conclusions far too quickly my friend. I think the tunnelvision comment could possibly be reserved for the mirror. I have nothing against homosexuals and their unions. I have big problems with their arguments for legal marriage...and I also have big problems with the other sides arguments against legal marriage. I'm not so transparent or shallow as you assume.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Again, you jump to conclusions far too quickly my friend. I think the tunnelvision comment could possibly be reserved for the mirror. I have nothing against homosexuals and their unions. I have big problems with their arguments for legal marriage...and I also have big problems with the other sides arguments against legal marriage. I'm not so transparent or shallow as you assume.
I see.. so this is more about the intricacies of the english language. You prefer a strict narrow sort of tunnelish use of the word marriage - it can be the same as marriage - cept if its two boys or two girls its called civil union and if its boy girl or girl boy its marriage?
i look forward to the day that it is legal in all 50 states, and no one gives it a second thought, as well it should be. how two other people, male/female, male/male, female/female...choose to live their lives is none of my business, and i thoroughly believe they are as deserving of the 'rights' that my husband and i share as a married couple. the legalities of marriage are just that, a legal issue...all else....is your own personal beliefs, and ALL citizens who are legal, consenting adults, should have access to whatever benefits there is to a legal marriage.
I don't have any advice, I am doing good to live my own life here.
Kids are wonderful sleep snatchers! LOL
Got one 15 yr old myself. Who can't stand PJ...I tell him one day you will listen and understand. I am feeding you good music until then....LOL
It was all my fault.. I was too focused on the kids... soon I'll try again with all my energy... Well, my baby girl will still consume me.. maybe I should wait till she is 18...
Only one US state has allowed same-sex marriages so far
The US state of New Jersey's Supreme Court has ruled that gay couples are entitled to the same rights as heterosexual couples.
But the court says it is for the legislature to decide whether the state will honour gay marriage or some other form of civil union.
Lawmakers have been given six months to decide whether to change marriage laws.
I'm glad that the Supreme Court is leaving it up to the will of the legislature rather than decreeing it from the bench. While I don't fully agree with the view, i think that this is a perfect example of when the legislative process needs to be followed, not the judicial process of mandation. Let the people decide...or at least let their representatives decide.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
nice try new jersey, but not really...... this legislation goves gay couples seperate but equal rights........ where have i heard that before????????
Abu is right, it's progress. Black people didn't achieve equality under the law overnight either. I'm glad that we're at least headed in the right direction.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Abu is right, it's progress. Black people didn't achieve equality under the law overnight either. I'm glad that we're at least headed in the right direction.
Amen to that.
Does anyone think there's going to be a political storm about this as we head into the elections? Somehow I don't think so. First, I don't think the religious right is as mobilized as they've been in the past. (All my fundamentalist Christian in-laws are either staying home on election day or voting for Democrats.)
Second, gays have been getting married in Mass. for almost two years now, and the fabric of society hasn't fallen apart, not even a little bit. Perhaps that experience is demonstrating that this really isn't something to be feared.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
Christianity isn't the only religion that sanctions bigotry toward homosexuals. In fact, a few denominations allow homosexual pastors, which is downright progressive.
sorry i should have clarified what i meant... What I meant to say was that when the govt was trying to pass the civil partnerships bill it was mainly crazy christians who were saying the fabric of society would fall apart etc. Also it was mainly crazy christiains who said we should not have civil partnerships as this is officially the home of anglicanism and this is a christian country.
ps. one of my senior lecturers at my university was one of the first men to have a civil partnership. so far our university has not fallen into hell
Again, you jump to conclusions far too quickly my friend. I think the tunnelvision comment could possibly be reserved for the mirror. I have nothing against homosexuals and their unions. I have big problems with their arguments for legal marriage...and I also have big problems with the other sides arguments against legal marriage. I'm not so transparent or shallow as you assume.
Besides... How long have you been civil unioned? and this is our third civil union anniversary.. just don't have the same ring to them.. its just not fair.
I see.. so this is more about the intricacies of the english language. You prefer a strict narrow sort of tunnelish use of the word marriage - it can be the same as marriage - cept if its two boys or two girls its called civil union and if its boy girl or girl boy its marriage?
Wrong again, batman. I don't care what they call it. I just think their arguments and those of the other side are bogus.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
i look forward to the day that it is legal in all 50 states, and no one gives it a second thought, as well it should be. how two other people, male/female, male/male, female/female...choose to live their lives is none of my business, and i thoroughly believe they are as deserving of the 'rights' that my husband and i share as a married couple. the legalities of marriage are just that, a legal issue...all else....is your own personal beliefs, and ALL citizens who are legal, consenting adults, should have access to whatever benefits there is to a legal marriage.
By why does it have to be just two? If I'm a polygamist, aren't I being discriminated against by not being allowed to marry the people that I want to?
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
If the person you're in love with won't marry you, it's not the government standing in your way.
Exactly, that's why it's not a right.
Essentially, we're talking about a choice here. All arguments about nature v. nurture v. experiences aside (and I believe all are valid), when talking about marriage, homosexual people can choose to marry right now in all 50 states. They just have to marry someone from the opposite sex...the SAME as a heterosexual person. Therefore, they had equal rights.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Then perhaps maybe you see how forcing people to live by your moral code when it comes to taxes is just as bad as forcing people to live by someone else's moral code when it comes to abortion or gay marriage.
Then perhaps maybe you see how forcing people to live by your moral code when it comes to taxes is just as bad as forcing people to live by someone else's moral code when it comes to abortion or gay marriage.
No.. A large number of Americans agreed as a group to pay taxes for a large number of reasons... and still we allow you to choose not to.. it is your choice to join in our games - otherwise you'd not have to pay. If you didn't use our money.. you wouldn't have to pay any taxes.
If you don't want to be part of our partnership - there is plenty of wilderness for you to camp and perhaps build a competing group.
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Again, you jump to conclusions far too quickly my friend. I think the tunnelvision comment could possibly be reserved for the mirror. I have nothing against homosexuals and their unions. I have big problems with their arguments for legal marriage...and I also have big problems with the other sides arguments against legal marriage. I'm not so transparent or shallow as you assume.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I see.. so this is more about the intricacies of the english language. You prefer a strict narrow sort of tunnelish use of the word marriage - it can be the same as marriage - cept if its two boys or two girls its called civil union and if its boy girl or girl boy its marriage?
Equal rights for everyone.
50% divorce rate!!! WOW!
I'm an expert too .. I've been married twice.. not married now :(
sigh.. I'm a two time loser!
got wonderful kids though...
I don't have any advice, I am doing good to live my own life here.
Kids are wonderful sleep snatchers! LOL
Got one 15 yr old myself. Who can't stand PJ...I tell him one day you will listen and understand. I am feeding you good music until then....LOL
i look forward to the day that it is legal in all 50 states, and no one gives it a second thought, as well it should be. how two other people, male/female, male/male, female/female...choose to live their lives is none of my business, and i thoroughly believe they are as deserving of the 'rights' that my husband and i share as a married couple. the legalities of marriage are just that, a legal issue...all else....is your own personal beliefs, and ALL citizens who are legal, consenting adults, should have access to whatever benefits there is to a legal marriage.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
That is one thing I did right.. My twin 18 year old boys are both Pearl Jam fans...
My daughter - 10.. not so much.
It was all my fault.. I was too focused on the kids... soon I'll try again with all my energy... Well, my baby girl will still consume me.. maybe I should wait till she is 18...
I'm glad that the Supreme Court is leaving it up to the will of the legislature rather than decreeing it from the bench. While I don't fully agree with the view, i think that this is a perfect example of when the legislative process needs to be followed, not the judicial process of mandation. Let the people decide...or at least let their representatives decide.
Does anyone think there's going to be a political storm about this as we head into the elections? Somehow I don't think so. First, I don't think the religious right is as mobilized as they've been in the past. (All my fundamentalist Christian in-laws are either staying home on election day or voting for Democrats.)
Second, gays have been getting married in Mass. for almost two years now, and the fabric of society hasn't fallen apart, not even a little bit. Perhaps that experience is demonstrating that this really isn't something to be feared.
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
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sorry i should have clarified what i meant... What I meant to say was that when the govt was trying to pass the civil partnerships bill it was mainly crazy christians who were saying the fabric of society would fall apart etc. Also it was mainly crazy christiains who said we should not have civil partnerships as this is officially the home of anglicanism and this is a christian country.
ps. one of my senior lecturers at my university was one of the first men to have a civil partnership. so far our university has not fallen into hell
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Besides... How long have you been civil unioned? and this is our third civil union anniversary.. just don't have the same ring to them.. its just not fair.
Wrong again, batman. I don't care what they call it. I just think their arguments and those of the other side are bogus.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
By why does it have to be just two? If I'm a polygamist, aren't I being discriminated against by not being allowed to marry the people that I want to?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Exactly, that's why it's not a right.
Essentially, we're talking about a choice here. All arguments about nature v. nurture v. experiences aside (and I believe all are valid), when talking about marriage, homosexual people can choose to marry right now in all 50 states. They just have to marry someone from the opposite sex...the SAME as a heterosexual person. Therefore, they had equal rights.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
How so? Because I'm discussing a side of the argument you don't agree with? How about you add to the discussion instead of making it personal?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
especially if you love them both.
I totally agree.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Do you mean Gayist? Yes, some issues are important to some and not to others... I find a suggestion that we should not have taxes far more silly...
No, I didn't mean Gayist, particularly considering that the issue involves more straight people than gay people.
I meant silliest....meaning that both sides of this issue are upset about something other than the issue itself.
Since you don't support optional taxation I guess you must not support gay marriage or arbortion, huh? You must not be a big fan of choice........
Two out of 3 aint bad.. I do not support gay marriage or abortion.
but I certainly support choice.
Choice does allow for both abortion and gay marriage.
as for optional taxation.. that is indeed the silliest notion yet.
but hey, its your choice to support optional taxation - good luck with that. Its a difficult position to fund.
You wouldn't have to pay taxes if you lived in a tent in the wilderness of America and lived off the fruits of the land...
And gay people could get married if they moved somewhere that allows it. Doesn't make it right for you to force them to do so though.
I agree
Then perhaps maybe you see how forcing people to live by your moral code when it comes to taxes is just as bad as forcing people to live by someone else's moral code when it comes to abortion or gay marriage.
No.. A large number of Americans agreed as a group to pay taxes for a large number of reasons... and still we allow you to choose not to.. it is your choice to join in our games - otherwise you'd not have to pay. If you didn't use our money.. you wouldn't have to pay any taxes.
If you don't want to be part of our partnership - there is plenty of wilderness for you to camp and perhaps build a competing group.