also about hiding where civilains would be.... i think you are confusing the iraqi army with hezbullah, hamas and other terrorists.
Technically, the Iraqi army fights on the American side ... Kind of. The people I was referring to when I made a similar remark were the "foreign fighters" (many Al Qaida members) and those Iraqi insurgents who are involved in sectarian killings and other violence.
that could be said for any and all jury trials across the world. stop trying to make excuses.... the family deserve justice to be served. trial by jury is the best system we have right now and so it must be used.
Yes, stop trying to make excuses. I love it when Americans are confronted about stuff that their gov't or military does. Suddenly, there is no black and white, no laws to be honoured - only endless latitude given to american soldiers, and ambiguous philosophical musings about war, death and integrity. The benefit of the doubt goes on ad nauseum for Yanks.
Ever notice how the standards change though, if its someone else ? If its a foreigner, especially a Muslim, there is no benefit of the doubt - just summary charges and allegations. Don't think so ? Just ask the German national El Masri, who was picked up on "a hunch" by american forces to be tortured. He was totally innocent. Or Canada's Maher Arar. Or ask the hundreds of prisoners in Gitmo, about 97% of which have yet to charged of anything (4 years and counting for some of them). I read somewhere that only 6 or 7 have been charged with anything.
Technically, the Iraqi army fights on the American side ... Kind of. The people I was referring to when I made a similar remark were the "foreign fighters" (many Al Qaida members) and those Iraqi insurgents who are involved in sectarian killings and other violence.
oh k... when the journalist was killed it was during a firefight between iraqi troops(sadams army) and american troops within the early stages of the invasion
oh k... when the journalist was killed it was during a firefight between iraqi troops(sadams army) and american troops within the early stages of the invasion
Although in all honesty, I'd find the notion of these guys firing at civilians on purpose a lot more plausible now, as compared to the early stage of the invasion.
The inquest found Terry Lloyd was unlawfully killed
US soldiers involved in the death of ITN journalist Terry Lloyd should be extradited to face trial in the UK, Lib Dem leader Sir Menzies Campbell said.
He said there was a "prima facie" case for unlawful killing, but the extradition agreement between the UK and US was a "one-way" process.
Tony Blair said it would be wrong to comment on whether an extradition application would be made.
Mr Lloyd was killed by a US Marine's bullet during the Iraq invasion.
He and three colleagues were caught up in a firefight between US and Iraqi forces near the Shatt Al Basra Bridge on 22 March 2003.
'War crime'
Mr Lloyd was shot in the head while in a makeshift ambulance. His interpreter was also killed and his cameraman is still missing, presumed dead.
A recent inquest into his death ruled Mr Lloyd was unlawfully killed - his widow Lyn has called it a "war crime".
At prime minister's questions, Sir Menzies, leader of the UK's third largest party, asked when the attorney general could be expected to make an application for the extradition and trial of the soldiers.
Isn't what we have a fast-track process that only goes one way?
Sir Menzies Campbell
"For very obvious reasons, I think it would be very wrong for me to comment on anything the attorney general might do, in relation to that case," Mr Blair said.
"Once again however, I would like to send my deepest sympathies to Mr Lloyd's family."
Sir Menzies said "not much comfort there, I think" before adding "as recently as last night the government assured us that the extradition treaty with the US would facilitate justice.
"Isn't what we have a fast-track process that only goes one way?"
'Stretching reality'
Mr Blair said Sir Menzies was "stretching reality a bit" and said it was wrong to discuss US, British or any of the coalition troops in Iraq, without mentioning they were doing "a superb job in very difficult circumstances".
"None of that will excuse anything wrong that's happened," he said.
"But I don't think it's right to have a debate on the armed forces when they are losing a significant numbers of troops, as the US forces are, without paying tribute to their courage and bravery."
A spokesman for the US Department of Defense said an investigation in May 2003 had found that US forces followed the rules of engagement.
"The Department of Defense has never deliberately targeted non-combatants, including journalists," he said.
"It has been an unfortunate reality that journalists have died in Iraq. Combat operations are inherently dangerous."
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Technically, the Iraqi army fights on the American side ... Kind of. The people I was referring to when I made a similar remark were the "foreign fighters" (many Al Qaida members) and those Iraqi insurgents who are involved in sectarian killings and other violence.
Yes, stop trying to make excuses. I love it when Americans are confronted about stuff that their gov't or military does. Suddenly, there is no black and white, no laws to be honoured - only endless latitude given to american soldiers, and ambiguous philosophical musings about war, death and integrity. The benefit of the doubt goes on ad nauseum for Yanks.
Ever notice how the standards change though, if its someone else ? If its a foreigner, especially a Muslim, there is no benefit of the doubt - just summary charges and allegations. Don't think so ? Just ask the German national El Masri, who was picked up on "a hunch" by american forces to be tortured. He was totally innocent. Or Canada's Maher Arar. Or ask the hundreds of prisoners in Gitmo, about 97% of which have yet to charged of anything (4 years and counting for some of them). I read somewhere that only 6 or 7 have been charged with anything.
Its a joke.
oh k... when the journalist was killed it was during a firefight between iraqi troops(sadams army) and american troops within the early stages of the invasion
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My bad ... Got the timeline mixed up.
same here.
Are you going to add anything to this conversation?
Although in all honesty, I'd find the notion of these guys firing at civilians on purpose a lot more plausible now, as compared to the early stage of the invasion.
Yep, this was in the first wave of the war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Lloyd
Extradite US soldiers - Campbell
The inquest found Terry Lloyd was unlawfully killed
US soldiers involved in the death of ITN journalist Terry Lloyd should be extradited to face trial in the UK, Lib Dem leader Sir Menzies Campbell said.
He said there was a "prima facie" case for unlawful killing, but the extradition agreement between the UK and US was a "one-way" process.
Tony Blair said it would be wrong to comment on whether an extradition application would be made.
Mr Lloyd was killed by a US Marine's bullet during the Iraq invasion.
He and three colleagues were caught up in a firefight between US and Iraqi forces near the Shatt Al Basra Bridge on 22 March 2003.
'War crime'
Mr Lloyd was shot in the head while in a makeshift ambulance. His interpreter was also killed and his cameraman is still missing, presumed dead.
A recent inquest into his death ruled Mr Lloyd was unlawfully killed - his widow Lyn has called it a "war crime".
At prime minister's questions, Sir Menzies, leader of the UK's third largest party, asked when the attorney general could be expected to make an application for the extradition and trial of the soldiers.
Isn't what we have a fast-track process that only goes one way?
Sir Menzies Campbell
"For very obvious reasons, I think it would be very wrong for me to comment on anything the attorney general might do, in relation to that case," Mr Blair said.
"Once again however, I would like to send my deepest sympathies to Mr Lloyd's family."
Sir Menzies said "not much comfort there, I think" before adding "as recently as last night the government assured us that the extradition treaty with the US would facilitate justice.
"Isn't what we have a fast-track process that only goes one way?"
'Stretching reality'
Mr Blair said Sir Menzies was "stretching reality a bit" and said it was wrong to discuss US, British or any of the coalition troops in Iraq, without mentioning they were doing "a superb job in very difficult circumstances".
"None of that will excuse anything wrong that's happened," he said.
"But I don't think it's right to have a debate on the armed forces when they are losing a significant numbers of troops, as the US forces are, without paying tribute to their courage and bravery."
A spokesman for the US Department of Defense said an investigation in May 2003 had found that US forces followed the rules of engagement.
"The Department of Defense has never deliberately targeted non-combatants, including journalists," he said.
"It has been an unfortunate reality that journalists have died in Iraq. Combat operations are inherently dangerous."
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