time for israel to be bombed to the stone age?

Open

dayan wrote:

497 Lebanese civilians and about 400 Hezbullah terrorists have been killed since the fighting started. How exactly does that come out to 90 civilians for every 1 terrorist killed?

A US general was being intervied on NPR and he was pointing out an IDF attack where that happened...in one of the bombings 90 civilians were killed and 1 terrorist. I'm glad you're satisified with your numbers; it's always good when you kill more civilians than terrorists; very humane.

dayan

Ahnimus wrote:

Wouldn't a wall on Israeli land be just as secure?

A wall that follows exactly the 1967 boundary would by definition exclude huge populations of settlers in the West Bank. Whatever your opinion of the settlers you have to understand that they are still citizens of Israel, and therefore there security is Israel's responsibility. Israel has therefore attempted to extend the fences protection to as many settlers as it can.

dayan

Open wrote:

A US general was being intervied on NPR and he was pointing out an IDF attack where that happened...in one of the bombings 90 civilians were killed and 1 terrorist. I'm glad you're satisified with your numbers; it's always good when you kill more civilians than terrorists; very humane.

There hasn't been one bombing that killed 90 civilians. The largest single civilian death toll in one attack I believe was 28. Perhaps the general meant a wave of bombings, although I still don't think that would be accurate. Or perhaps the general was just wrong. After all he is an American general in America. No reason to think he has a better idea of what Israel has hit and who Israel has killed than Israel does. I'm not satisfied with my numbers. I wish we had killed no civilians and hundreds more terrorists. I do, however, recognize that war is tragic, especially war fought amongst a civilian population. It wasn't Israel's choice to fight in these conditions, but it will do so if it must.

Ahnimus

dayan wrote:

A wall that follows exactly the 1967 boundary would by definition exclude huge populations of settlers in the West Bank. Whatever your opinion of the settlers you have to understand that they are still citizens of Israel, and therefore there security is Israel's responsibility. Israel has therefore attempted to extend the fences protection to as many settlers as it can.

Oh I see, so build an illegal wall to protect illegal settlers and ultimately gain ownership of the land. Why not withdraw the settlers?

RockinInCanada

dayan wrote:

There hasn't been one bombing that killed 90 civilians. The largest single civilian death toll in one attack I believe was 28. Perhaps the general meant a wave of bombings, although I still don't think that would be accurate. Or perhaps the general was just wrong. After all he is an American general in America. No reason to think he has a better idea of what Israel has hit and who Israel has killed than Israel does. I'm not satisfied with my numbers. I wish we had killed no civilians and hundreds more terrorists. I do, however, recognize that war is tragic, especially war fought amongst a civilian population. It wasn't Israel's choice to fight in these conditions, but it will do so if it must.

Its a war that you will never win...your going to create more hatred and negative feelings towards Israel...just cannot believe people cannot see that is going to be case.....and it would be nice if you could just kill the bady guy...but what is the ratio of civilian deaths to bad guy deaths.....?

thankyougrandma

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

If it was Beruit would no longer exist....Im just speechless right now on how this is tolerated....

same here, it comes out all weird, but in the end i just don't what to say... it's horrible that we support that... fucking shame...

enharmonic

I'd like to see it, but it probably won't happen.

A world without Israel would probably be a better place. They're right in the middle of too much shite. I look at it like this...if a few countries had a beef with Israel, I'd think it was just sour grapes on the part of those countries...but we're talking about the entire middle east and most of Pakistan. That suggests to me that the problem goes deepr that Israel being a lamb. When 20% of the entire land mass of Earth has a problem with you, it's probably you.

melodious

Ahnimus wrote:

I think their policy is "two eyes for an eye" "teeth for a tooth"

not that i agree with this commentary i'm about to assert; however, u know i'm always game to learn...

here's the irony:

jews were murdered by fascists way back when, and now, jews are becoming facsist ...

anonymous


ohhhh, why cant we be friends? why can't we be friends?

brain of c

nuke 'em if you got 'em

melodious

..........

rebornFixer

enharmonic wrote:

I'd like to see it, but it probably won't happen.

A world without Israel would probably be a better place. They're right in the middle of too much shite. I look at it like this...if a few countries had a beef with Israel, I'd think it was just sour grapes on the part of those countries...but we're talking about the entire middle east and most of Pakistan. That suggests to me that the problem goes deepr that Israel being a lamb. When 20% of the entire land mass of Earth has a problem with you, it's probably you.

And as we all know, the Arabs are ALWAYS right!

shiraz

Ahnimus wrote:

This has been going on for half a century. When is Israel going to realize retaliation doesn't fix anything. It's too bad the Jews didn't recognize Christ as the messiah, he had some good things to teach about making peace.

Probably when Hamas stop with its violence. We moved out of gaza, we were planning to continue with the rest of the withdrawals cause the PLO finaly mannaged to control most the violence, but Hamas had other plans - shooting towards Israeli town of Sderot ever since it got elected.

Israel's mistake = we got paniced in the begining for a good reason.
Hamas mistake = shooting at Israeli civilians in Sderot for no reason.

And please, spare me this spiritual crap, Christ and his believers were involved (in a bad way) in almost every catastrophe in the world. Leave religion out of this, nowdays it becomes the most irrelevant thing regarding this conflict. For someone who claim to have a research about the whole story your words seem to be quite ignorant.

luckytwn

enharmonic wrote:

I'd like to see it, but it probably won't happen.

A world without Israel would probably be a better place. They're right in the middle of too much shite. I look at it like this...if a few countries had a beef with Israel, I'd think it was just sour grapes on the part of those countries...but we're talking about the entire middle east and most of Pakistan. That suggests to me that the problem goes deepr that Israel being a lamb. When 20% of the entire land mass of Earth has a problem with you, it's probably you.

There's really nothing to say to this stunning bit of lunacy except you are an ignorant moron who knows nothing about history.

Israel was attacked by multiple Arab countries in 1948, 1967, and 1973 merely for existing. Yes, many people in the world don't like Jews. Apparently you would agree with the solution that Hitler came up with when people don't like Jews, just kill them all.

Some of the views expressed in these threads about Israel are absolutely scary because it's hard to imagine so many people are not only uninformed, but also so incapable of using proper grammar, spelling, or making anything approaching a coherent argument.

Seriously, spend some time away from internet message boards and seek out an education. It will do you a lot of good.

shiraz

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Its a war that you will never win...your going to create more hatred and negative feelings towards Israel...just cannot believe people cannot see that is going to be case.....and it would be nice if you could just kill the bady guy...but what is the ratio of civilian deaths to bad guy deaths.....?

Its already the case, and as long as the world refuses to send well trained Int forces to Southern Lebanon in order to protect Israeli & Lebanese civilians from Hizbullah violence, someone has to protect me, and that's the IDF. As soon as the world would step in (like it should had done 6 years ago), the IDF will step out. However, for some reason the world is in no hurry, and in the mean time more civilians are dying, more civilians have no home to return to, more civilians become prisoners in their own home, more animals & nature reserves are being destroted, and too many people including me don't know whether they'll still be alive tomorrow.

There are no winners in war, only losers, but instead of helping the "losers" (=civilians) you are too busy with finding someone to blame based on some irrelevant historical facts & "facts". Wow, bravo to you all, can you hear my applause all the way from the shelter?

dayan

Ahnimus wrote:

Oh I see, so build an illegal wall to protect illegal settlers and ultimately gain ownership of the land. Why not withdraw the settlers?

As I've said the fence is not illegal so long as its route is determined by security needs. Israel would like to gain ownership of some of the land, but this is not an illegal aspiration. UN resolution states that Israel must withdraw from "territories" it conquered, but not from all the territories it conquered. The framers of that resolution have said explicitly that the wording was made that way in recognition of Israel's right to adjust the border so as to improve their security. As for withdrawing the settlers, Israel was planning on pulling out of most of the west bank except for the settlements that protect the approaches to Jerusalem and those that are just over the green line. Those plans are now on hold because the violence that emanated from Gaza after the Israeli withdrawl from there a year ago has made Israel wary of repeating the process in the West Bank.

dayan

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Its a war that you will never win...your going to create more hatred and negative feelings towards Israel...just cannot believe people cannot see that is going to be case.....and it would be nice if you could just kill the bady guy...but what is the ratio of civilian deaths to bad guy deaths.....?

You're right that Israel's actions will produce hatred for Israel in the Arab world. But Israel cannot afford to do nothing in the face of attacks on its civilians. That is exactly the tactical thinking of Hezbollah. They attack Israel, which makes them popular in the Arab street. Israel has to respond with force, but in doing so Hezbollah ensures that many civilians will be killed by situating themselves in the heart of civilian populations. These deaths further strengthen Hezbollah and hurt Israel's image. So yes, Israel cannot destroy Hezbollah, but they cannot allow Hezbollah to attack Israel with impunity. It's a catch 22.

dayan

enharmonic wrote:

I'd like to see it, but it probably won't happen.

A world without Israel would probably be a better place. They're right in the middle of too much shite. I look at it like this...if a few countries had a beef with Israel, I'd think it was just sour grapes on the part of those countries...but we're talking about the entire middle east and most of Pakistan. That suggests to me that the problem goes deepr that Israel being a lamb. When 20% of the entire land mass of Earth has a problem with you, it's probably you.

That's a load of crap. I'm not even going to get into.

dayan

luckytwn wrote:

There's really nothing to say to this stunning bit of lunacy except you are an ignorant moron who knows nothing about history.

Israel was attacked by multiple Arab countries in 1948, 1967, and 1973 merely for existing. Yes, many people in the world don't like Jews. Apparently you would agree with the solution that Hitler came up with when people don't like Jews, just kill them all.

Some of the views expressed in these threads about Israel are absolutely scary because it's hard to imagine so many people are not only uninformed, but also so incapable of using proper grammar, spelling, or making anything approaching a coherent argument.

Seriously, spend some time away from internet message boards and seek out an education. It will do you a lot of good.

I love you.

Ahnimus

dayan wrote:

You're right that Israel's actions will produce hatred for Israel in the Arab world. But Israel cannot afford to do nothing in the face of attacks on its civilians. That is exactly the tactical thinking of Hezbollah. They attack Israel, which makes them popular in the Arab street. Israel has to respond with force, but in doing so Hezbollah ensures that many civilians will be killed by situating themselves in the heart of civilian populations. These deaths further strengthen Hezbollah and hurt Israel's image. So yes, Israel cannot destroy Hezbollah, but they cannot allow Hezbollah to attack Israel with impunity. It's a catch 22.

Human Rights Watch said they did an on the ground investigation of all the accusations that Hizbullah uses civilian shields and they were all false. They don't doubt that it happens from time to time, but it's clearly not Hizbullah's stratagy.

enharmonic

luckytwn wrote:

There's really nothing to say to this stunning bit of lunacy except you are an ignorant moron who knows nothing about history.

Israel was attacked by multiple Arab countries in 1948, 1967, and 1973 merely for existing. Yes, many people in the world don't like Jews. Apparently you would agree with the solution that Hitler came up with when people don't like Jews, just kill them all.

Some of the views expressed in these threads about Israel are absolutely scary because it's hard to imagine so many people are not only uninformed, but also so incapable of using proper grammar, spelling, or making anything approaching a coherent argument.

Seriously, spend some time away from internet message boards and seek out an education. It will do you a lot of good.

My solution would not have been to displace tens of thousands of arabs just to appease the Jews. I'm sorry that we disagree, but I'm not the one making the personal attacks here. that's you. Perhaps I hit a nerve? I'm well aware of the history. Palestinians have as much of a "right" to exist as Israel does. It's called Darwinism...survival of the most fit. Had Israel not been propped up after WWII, they would not have survived.

Today, the people of Darfour are being slaughtered, and no one does anything, because Israel STILL can't handle their own business without constant propping up from America and the UN. So go ahead, call me an ignorant moron some more. You're probably just another whiny-assed Jew who can't wipe their own nose without the help of a real nation...a nation that was fought for and won by its own people, not a gimmie after WWII because everyone felt sorry for you.

I don't have much sympathy for anyone in that region, but least of all Israel. The people of Darfour have real problems...the same kinds of problems the Jews had 60 years ago, but nobody cares. Even if we did, we probably couldn't do anything because Israel can't wipe its own ass, much less fight off Hezbollah and Hamas...those organizations aren't even real armies. Israel has this big army...armed to the teeth, and they can't even put down a few thousand bad guys.

Hitler was a bad guy, but that was 60 years ago. Sooner or later, the Jews have to stop crying about that too. Life goes on.