kids told: ""Do Not Marry a Muslim Man."

bookmuse

El_Kabong wrote:

this was always my favorite from the same book:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=22&version=31&context=chapter
Deuteronomy 22:28
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.


soooooo...if you rape a girl, as long as she wasn't supposed to be married your only punishment is marrying her and paying her did 50 bucks!?!?!?!?

how nice of em...i know you were raped, dear, but you HAVE to marry him, oh and you can NEVER leave him!!!

sickos!

This whole book can not be taken literally and as a woman I saw that I could not grasp the idea of taking things literally in this book at a young age of about 14 because it was degrading to women when it was being crammed down my throat by my parents. There are good lessons in this book but the basis for how to run your life...I'd rather trust what my heart and soul tells me

edit -I responded before reading the rest of the replies. Basically any religion that treats a human as a lesser being regardless of sex, race- is evil in my book.

Ahnimus

bookmuse wrote:

I'd rather trust what my heart and soul tells me

:rolleyes:

South of Seattle

Ahnimus wrote:

That's what you say now, I bet one week in San Francisco would change that. :P

Been to Frisco for a week. My sexuality did not change.

sponger

I can't forget this documentary I saw on this arab woman whose husband had cut out her eyes and her tongue and also cut off her nose because she had "dishonered" him in some form or another.

Actually, the documentary actually wasn't really about her. It was about the wonders of plastic surgery or something to that effect. The doctors weren't able to fix her face, but they built her a life-like mask that she could wear so that her infant children wouldn't think she's a monster.

The guy served 7 years in prison, so obviously his type of behavior is not condoned in the muslim world. I think he should've gotten the electric chair, but spousal abusers don't exactly serve a whole lot of time in the states either.

But, the guy's defense is something that sticks out in my mind because I think it transcends all religions, societies, and cultures to some extent. He said, "I am a poor man, and when you're poor, your honor is all you have."

And that reminded me of a statistic that I had read a few years back which said that poor people in the United States are more likely to be devoutly religious, while the more well-off portion of society is more likely to engage in "care-free" behaviors such as marijuana smoking and permiscuous sex.

Religion is their sense of dignity that they hold onto in place of the indignity that they suffer as a result of their economic disparities. This face-mutilating muslim might've taken that to another extreme, but his message is not all that alien to other cultures.

A Surprise Left

thats is just insane, the school kids would have believed every word that was said and this group should have never being allowed in the schools. if people want to air such views in their homes or even in their churches that is fine, but certainly not in a school.

Trau

I think it's naive to say that Islamic culture is not generally extremely oppressive for women.

Vedderlution_Baby

Christian white men don't have the best record with women either.


For that matter, can anyone list any race or religion where the male has not abused the woman in some way?

chopitdown

El_Kabong wrote:

this was always my favorite from the same book:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=22&version=31&context=chapter
Deuteronomy 22:28
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.


soooooo...if you rape a girl, as long as she wasn't supposed to be married your only punishment is marrying her and paying her did 50 bucks!?!?!?!?

how nice of em...i know you were raped, dear, but you HAVE to marry him, oh and you can NEVER leave him!!!

sickos!

http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Shamoun/ot_and_rape.htm
http://www.studylight.org/com/mhc-com/view.cgi?book=de&chapter=022

a little more background on the above. You seem to love quoting the rape verse w/o full context.

Trau

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

Christian white men don't have the best record with women either.


For that matter, can anyone list any race or religion where the male has not abused the woman in some way?

If you want to simplify it to that degree and refuse to accept that Islamic oppression of women is quite unique in the world at this point in time, then be my guest.

fuck

Trau wrote:

If you want to simplify it to that degree and refuse to accept that Islamic oppression of women is quite unique in the world at this point in time, then be my guest.

can you explain one instance in islam that oppresses women?

Shawn Smith Collective

Nothingman54 wrote:

The only thing I agree with is "dont marry a mulsim" and here is why...... my sister has been dating a muslim for 4 years now and about once a month he beats the shit out of her, last month he put her head into a wall. Her head went through the wall, and everytime he beats her he says "this is how we do it in my dads country"which is Pakistan. his brother is the same way and so is his father. They have no respect for women and they are control freaks. I dont mean "they" as in all muslims but I havent meet many who where not like that. My sister should have left him a long time ago, but evey time she says the same thing "It wasnt his fault" the tipikal thing a beaten women would say. Thats why I feel the way I do.

By your logic, I am tempted to believe in not marrying a "Christian woman," or "Jewish woman," or whatever your sister may be because "they" are weak-willed people that allow themselves to be subjected to horrors like being beaten by their husbands. Does that make any logical sense? Of course not, and neither does your statement against Muslims.

catefrances

darkcrow wrote:

It warns women not to be lured into marrying a Muslim, even for his "dark good looks, education, financial means, and the interest he shows in you."

oh they're correct. why ever would i even consider marrying a man with these appalling qualities. :rolleyes:

Trau

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

can you explain one instance in islam that oppresses women?

Are you joking?

Vedderlution_Baby

Trau wrote:

If you want to simplify it to that degree and refuse to accept that Islamic oppression of women is quite unique in the world at this point in time, then be my guest.

I'm not accepting the oppression of women. From anybody. I just think when someone is going to list the reasons why someone should stay away from another type of person, they should shine up their glass house first.

jeffbr

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

can you explain one instance in islam that oppresses women?

Have you ever heard of Sharia law?

fuck

jeffbr wrote:

Have you ever heard of Sharia law?

You mean the one that says "women are treated no differently than men"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law#The_role_of_women_under_Sharia

yes, I heard of it.

I'll ask again, care to tell me how women are oppressed?

bookmuse

Ahnimus wrote:

:rolleyes:

Yeah well, I believe my soul is my brain and has nothing to do with religion. So roll your eyes elsewhere.

jeffbr

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

You mean the one that says "women are treated no differently than men"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law#The_role_of_women_under_Sharia

yes, I heard of it.

I'll ask again, care to tell me how women are oppressed?

Here's just one example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/5217424.stm

There are entire organization which exist to shed light on the practice of honor killings. There are various UN reports, human rights reports, etc... It isn't tough to find unless you are trying not to see.

fuck

jeffbr wrote:

Here's just one example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/5217424.stm

first you told me abotu shariah law and now you're showing me something about Iran. Yes, I know it's "based" on shariah law, but it still didn't follow it because the actual rule against ANYONE, man or woman, for having sex before marriage is 100 lashes and Iran hung her in this case. This probably would've gone the same for a 16 year old boy, you really aren't showing how women are "oppressed".

jeffbr

You may be confusing religious text with cultural practice. You may not find the oppression of women in the text or teachings, but to continue to claim it doesn't exist as a cultural practice in places like Iran, Jordan, Afghanistan, Nigeria, etc..., etc... is to turn a blind eye to what is happening. I could provide you with probably hundreds of links to reports, stories, examples of the way women are oppressed in Islam, but I'm sure you'd find a reason not to acknowledge that it happens.