The only thing I agree with is "dont marry a mulsim" and here is why...... my sister has been dating a muslim for 4 years now and about once a month he beats the shit out of her, last month he put her head into a wall. Her head went through the wall, and everytime he beats her he says "this is how we do it in my dads country"which is Pakistan. his brother is the same way and so is his father. They have no respect for women and they are control freaks. I dont mean "they" as in all muslims but I havent meet many who where not like that. My sister should have left him a long time ago, but evey time she says the same thing "It wasnt his fault" the tipikal thing a beaten women would say. Thats why I feel the way I do.
By your logic, I am tempted to believe in not marrying a "Christian woman," or "Jewish woman," or whatever your sister may be because "they" are weak-willed people that allow themselves to be subjected to horrors like being beaten by their husbands. Does that make any logical sense? Of course not, and neither does your statement against Muslims.
can you explain one instance in islam that oppresses women?
Are you joking?
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
If you want to simplify it to that degree and refuse to accept that Islamic oppression of women is quite unique in the world at this point in time, then be my guest.
I'm not accepting the oppression of women. From anybody. I just think when someone is going to list the reasons why someone should stay away from another type of person, they should shine up their glass house first.
There are entire organization which exist to shed light on the practice of honor killings. There are various UN reports, human rights reports, etc... It isn't tough to find unless you are trying not to see.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
first you told me abotu shariah law and now you're showing me something about Iran. Yes, I know it's "based" on shariah law, but it still didn't follow it because the actual rule against ANYONE, man or woman, for having sex before marriage is 100 lashes and Iran hung her in this case. This probably would've gone the same for a 16 year old boy, you really aren't showing how women are "oppressed".
You may be confusing religious text with cultural practice. You may not find the oppression of women in the text or teachings, but to continue to claim it doesn't exist as a cultural practice in places like Iran, Jordan, Afghanistan, Nigeria, etc..., etc... is to turn a blind eye to what is happening. I could provide you with probably hundreds of links to reports, stories, examples of the way women are oppressed in Islam, but I'm sure you'd find a reason not to acknowledge that it happens.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
I think it's naive to say that Islamic culture is not generally extremely oppressive for women.
I think it's intolerant and ignorant to say that islamic culture is generally extremely oppressive for women. You know/have been in contact with Islamic culture? While I'll agree cultures found in some countries are extremely oppressive, to generalize it to all the regions is wrong. People end up confusing ponctual wrongs with a whole culture and start ostracising it. the final stage being to agree that marrying any muslim man is a bad idea.
You may be confusing religious text with cultural practice. You may not find the oppression of women in the text or teachings, but to continue to claim it doesn't exist as a cultural practice in places like Iran, Jordan, Afghanistan, Nigeria, etc..., etc... is to turn a blind eye to what is happening. I could provide you with probably hundreds of links to reports, stories, examples of the way women are oppressed in Islam, but I'm sure you'd find a reason not to acknowledge that it happens.
no actually, I think you're the one confusing it. I'm talking about the actual religion Islam, not the way some countries may incorporate it into their judicial system or whatever. Women may be oppressed, but Islam doesn't oppress women, the countries do. you probably couldn't provide me with links on how Islam oppresses women, you'd just provide links to countries oppressing women which aren't the same thing.
I'm talking about Islam right now. The actual religion. Where in the quran or anything does Islam oppress women?
I'm talking about Islam right now. The actual religion. Where in the quran or anything does Islam oppress women?
First any religion is not just what is written down on some scrapes of paper from a couple thousand years ago...it is how it is practiced TODAY, unfortuantly for Islam, a fine religion, it has been twisted by a majority of its OUTSPOKEN followers. Muslims the world over need to stand and REJECT the people that corrupt their religion, not sit by scared they will be labeled "a bad muslim" if they do. If you say Islam doesnt have any opression of women you are a fool, if in the year 1095 I said the Catholic Church didnt support the murder of muslims I would be a fool. I havent read the quaran, no I cannot pull out some string of words that says its ok to oppress women. I can also point out that by your logic , Judaism and Christianity also do not opress women....as the Islamic holy books include the Torah, Pslams and the New Testiment...(though some what Corrupt) at least according to "Islam" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutub
And 5againstOne...I like your Signature, Rage did a good job playing off Orwells words....
"Almost unconsciously he traced with his finger in the dust on the table: 2+2=5" 1984
Yeah well, I believe my soul is my brain and has nothing to do with religion. So roll your eyes elsewhere.
Just saying, it's the same line of thought really.
Trusting your preconceptions as opposed to the evidence that lies before you.
But no matter, ignore me, I'm just annoyed by the abuse of the word "heart".
There are only two times I would feel my heart, when it's accelerated, and when I'm experiencing a heart-attack.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Just saying, it's the same line of thought really.
Trusting your preconceptions as opposed to the evidence that lies before you.
But no matter, ignore me, I'm just annoyed by the abuse of the word "heart".
There are only two times I would feel my heart, when it's accelerated, and when I'm experiencing a heart-attack.
Thanks for explaining your rolleyes. I see what you mean about it being redundant.
I was talking about that "gut feeling" thing that seems to happen at times, but am sure the evidence is there for me to see since that thought of feeling is triggered by what I have leanred or observed in the past. Usually, I try to to be crabby at people on the board. It was more the expression with no explantion.
"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes" ~ M Kuhn
Thanks for explaining your rolleyes. I see what you mean about it being redundant.
I was talking about that "gut feeling" thing that seems to happen at times, but am sure the evidence is there for me to see since that thought of feeling is triggered by what I have leanred or observed in the past. Usually, I try to to be crabby at people on the board. It was more the expression with no explantion.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
First any religion is not just what is written down on some scrapes of paper from a couple thousand years ago...it is how it is practiced TODAY, unfortuantly for Islam, a fine religion, it has been twisted by a majority of its OUTSPOKEN followers. Muslims the world over need to stand and REJECT the people that corrupt their religion, not sit by scared they will be labeled "a bad muslim" if they do. If you say Islam doesnt have any opression of women you are a fool, if in the year 1095 I said the Catholic Church didnt support the murder of muslims I would be a fool. I havent read the quaran, no I cannot pull out some string of words that says its ok to oppress women. I can also point out that by your logic , Judaism and Christianity also do not opress women....as the Islamic holy books include the Torah, Pslams and the New Testiment...(though some what Corrupt) at least according to "Islam" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutub
And 5againstOne...I like your Signature, Rage did a good job playing off Orwells words....
Yeah, while that is true, "unfortunately for Islam" shows that people do practice it wrong and Islam's accusation of "oppressing women" shouldn't be based on a couple of muslims. Every race always oppresses women, and it doesn't have to do with what religion they are, just what kind of person they are. Jews and Christians do oppress women, but my point was, as far as I know, the religion doesn't.
Thanks for the compliment. Your sig is cool too, 1984 is a great book.
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By your logic, I am tempted to believe in not marrying a "Christian woman," or "Jewish woman," or whatever your sister may be because "they" are weak-willed people that allow themselves to be subjected to horrors like being beaten by their husbands. Does that make any logical sense? Of course not, and neither does your statement against Muslims.
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oh they're correct. why ever would i even consider marrying a man with these appalling qualities. :rolleyes:
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Are you joking?
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
I'm not accepting the oppression of women. From anybody. I just think when someone is going to list the reasons why someone should stay away from another type of person, they should shine up their glass house first.
Have you ever heard of Sharia law?
You mean the one that says "women are treated no differently than men"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law#The_role_of_women_under_Sharia
yes, I heard of it.
I'll ask again, care to tell me how women are oppressed?
Yeah well, I believe my soul is my brain and has nothing to do with religion. So roll your eyes elsewhere.
Here's just one example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/5217424.stm
There are entire organization which exist to shed light on the practice of honor killings. There are various UN reports, human rights reports, etc... It isn't tough to find unless you are trying not to see.
first you told me abotu shariah law and now you're showing me something about Iran. Yes, I know it's "based" on shariah law, but it still didn't follow it because the actual rule against ANYONE, man or woman, for having sex before marriage is 100 lashes and Iran hung her in this case. This probably would've gone the same for a 16 year old boy, you really aren't showing how women are "oppressed".
I think it's intolerant and ignorant to say that islamic culture is generally extremely oppressive for women. You know/have been in contact with Islamic culture? While I'll agree cultures found in some countries are extremely oppressive, to generalize it to all the regions is wrong. People end up confusing ponctual wrongs with a whole culture and start ostracising it. the final stage being to agree that marrying any muslim man is a bad idea.
no actually, I think you're the one confusing it. I'm talking about the actual religion Islam, not the way some countries may incorporate it into their judicial system or whatever. Women may be oppressed, but Islam doesn't oppress women, the countries do. you probably couldn't provide me with links on how Islam oppresses women, you'd just provide links to countries oppressing women which aren't the same thing.
I'm talking about Islam right now. The actual religion. Where in the quran or anything does Islam oppress women?
First any religion is not just what is written down on some scrapes of paper from a couple thousand years ago...it is how it is practiced TODAY, unfortuantly for Islam, a fine religion, it has been twisted by a majority of its OUTSPOKEN followers. Muslims the world over need to stand and REJECT the people that corrupt their religion, not sit by scared they will be labeled "a bad muslim" if they do. If you say Islam doesnt have any opression of women you are a fool, if in the year 1095 I said the Catholic Church didnt support the murder of muslims I would be a fool. I havent read the quaran, no I cannot pull out some string of words that says its ok to oppress women. I can also point out that by your logic , Judaism and Christianity also do not opress women....as the Islamic holy books include the Torah, Pslams and the New Testiment...(though some what Corrupt) at least according to "Islam" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutub
And 5againstOne...I like your Signature, Rage did a good job playing off Orwells words....
Just saying, it's the same line of thought really.
Trusting your preconceptions as opposed to the evidence that lies before you.
But no matter, ignore me, I'm just annoyed by the abuse of the word "heart".
There are only two times I would feel my heart, when it's accelerated, and when I'm experiencing a heart-attack.
Thanks for explaining your rolleyes. I see what you mean about it being redundant.
I was talking about that "gut feeling" thing that seems to happen at times, but am sure the evidence is there for me to see since that thought of feeling is triggered by what I have leanred or observed in the past. Usually, I try to to be crabby at people on the board. It was more the expression with no explantion.
lol, sorry, just reminds me of this clip http://youtube.com/watch?v=VDDtpJKYKJ4
Yeah, while that is true, "unfortunately for Islam" shows that people do practice it wrong and Islam's accusation of "oppressing women" shouldn't be based on a couple of muslims. Every race always oppresses women, and it doesn't have to do with what religion they are, just what kind of person they are. Jews and Christians do oppress women, but my point was, as far as I know, the religion doesn't.
Thanks for the compliment. Your sig is cool too, 1984 is a great book.