kids told: ""Do Not Marry a Muslim Man."

darkcrow

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253824,00.html?koranftw

By Liza Porteus



The father of a North Carolina ninth grader who was given "anti-Muslim" literature in class says the material handed out is not an issue of free speech, but of slander and defamation.

"First of all, it slanders, things like, Mohammed is a 'criminal,' is 'demon possessed' ... that just made my blood boil," said Triaq Butte, whose daughter, Saira, participated in a ninth grade orientation seminar at Enloe High School in Wake County, N.C., where the material was distributed.

Butte is a non-practicing Muslim; he said his wife is Christian and his children are taught to accept and respect all religions.

"So for a person like me to feel like that — I've never been to a mosque — to feel like that … for me to feel such hideous attacks, they were not just pointing out failures or weaknesses in Islam or Muslims, they were just attacking."


A representative from the Kamil International Ministries Organization, a Christian group based in Raleigh, was invited by a teacher to come and speak to the class. He handed out literature that compared the teachings of Jesus with accusations against the Prophet Muhammad.

Among the materials handed out was a pamphlet called "Jesus not Muhammad," as well as one entitled, "Do Not Marry a Muslim Man." The latter pamphlet compares parts of the Koran with those of the Bible, such as:



— "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself for her." (The Holy Bible, Ephesians 5:25)

It warns women not to be lured into marrying a Muslim, even for his "dark good looks, education, financial means, and the interest he shows in you."

"You may be excited that you found the 'tall, dark, and handsome man' you have been looking for. His sweet words and attention may blind you regarding the power, importance, and influence of his culture and Islamic faith," the pamphlet says. "Because in the United States, we have freedom of religion, he may agree that you can remain a Christian and you may think there will be no problem with such a marriage. But do not be fooled and become a victim of his religion, Islam, which has very oppressive rules regarding women's status and rights. Such marriages will never be out of trouble."

Butte said he tried talking to the school principal and the teacher, but so far, has not received much of a response beyond "diversity of opinion" and "freedom of speech" reasoning.

"I pointed out to [the teacher] there's a limitation … to free speech," Butte said. "For example, you can't have the KKK come to the school distributing their literature."

Butte said the school's principal, Beth Cochran, told him, "we encourage the exchange of ideas and although what …[was] passed out was inappropriate, we welcome anyone from the Muslim community to come and talk to the students."

"In my view, I think they need to recognize that this is not just free speech and diversity of opinion, which I totally respect," Butt said. He continued: " have no problem with anyone talking about Islam and its weaknesses, and I'm prepared to do that myself — what I don't like about it — but to slander Islam is unacceptable."

The Council on American-Islamic Relations wrote to superintendent of the Wake County Public School System, asking for an apology to the students, disciplinary action against the teacher, a review of policies regarding what outside speakers are allowed to say in class, and more diversity training.

"It is unconscionable for a teacher at any public school to abuse his or her position of trust by forcing such hate-filled, inaccurate and intolerant materials on students," CAIR Legal Director Arsalan Iftikhar wrote in the letter.

"One can only imagine what a Muslim student in the class might have experienced and how students of other faiths will now regard their Muslim classmates."

CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper told FOXNews.com on Thursday that the group had not received a formal response. Cochran, the school's principal, did not return calls for comment

At the very least, Hooper said, someone from the Muslim community should have been invited to come to school to give the Muslim perspective on the same day as the Kamil representative.

"At least that would have been something, but to just bring in this person, presented by an authority person like a teacher, 'here's someone who's going to teach you Islam' ...

"If he was going to stage a public forum and denounce Islam, that's fine," Hooper said. "[But] this was a captive audience with captive minds who were offered no rebuttal to this type of bigotry."

Kamil Solomon of the Kamil International Ministries Organization declined to be formally interviewed.

FOX News' Sharon Fain and Reid Plyler contributed to this report.

Kann

That's an example of a crazy idea.
Trying to exchange ideas in class on a religion is great, and salutary.
Trying to give ideas to a class on a overly generalized group of people according to religion seems stupid, racist and incredibly intolerant.

"It warns women not to be lured into marrying a Muslim, even for his "dark good looks, education, financial means, and the interest he shows in you."
I'll stay speechless.

London Calling

check out the groups website
http://www.kimo4jesus.org/

nothing but a racist front. Not very "christian" like is it, more KKK

Rue D'Awakening

what i'd like to know is what the fuck a public school was doing having a religious group like that come in the first place.

leave it to FOX news to not even mention that this violates the separation between church and state.

baraka

Rue D'Awakening wrote:

what i'd like to know is what the fuck a public school was doing having a religious group like that come in the first place.

I thought the same thing after reading the article. I can see how this is going to end. A ping pong game between sterotyping muslims & christians.

Rue D'Awakening

baraka wrote:

I thought the same thing after reading the article. I can see how this is going to end. A ping pong game between sterotyping muslims & christians.

this just reinforces my conception of america as two countries masquerading as one.

baraka

Rue D'Awakening wrote:

this just reinforces my conception of america as two countries masquerading as one.

interesting..can you elaborate?

rigneyclan

darkcrow wrote:

— "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself for her." (The Holy Bible, Ephesians 5:25)

And yet, in the same book: "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."--Genesis 3:16

El_Kabong

rigneyclan wrote:

And yet, in the same book: "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."--Genesis 3:16

this was always my favorite from the same book:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=22&version=31&context=chapter
Deuteronomy 22:28
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.


soooooo...if you rape a girl, as long as she wasn't supposed to be married your only punishment is marrying her and paying her did 50 bucks!?!?!?!?

how nice of em...i know you were raped, dear, but you HAVE to marry him, oh and you can NEVER leave him!!!

sickos!

baraka

El_Kabong wrote:

this was always my favorite from the same book:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=22&version=31&context=chapter
Deuteronomy 22:28
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.


soooooo...if you rape a girl, as long as she wasn't supposed to be married your only punishment is marrying her and paying her did 50 bucks!?!?!?!?

how nice of em...i know you were raped, dear, but you HAVE to marry him, oh and you can NEVER leave him!!!

sickos!

yeah, old testament is pretty hard-core.

Rue D'Awakening

baraka wrote:

interesting..can you elaborate?

well for one thing, my observation can be quantified if you look at the popular votes of the past two presidential elections. the country was almost split 50-50 for each candidate both times.

then you have the fact that the media is increasingly partisan and sacrificing journalistic standards for sensationalism. people are increasingly getting their news from sources that make no pretenses of even-handedness, like blogs or 'indy media' for example.

political discourse in america is so polarized, it's almost like the left and the right don't speak the same language. they each get their information from what amounts to propaganda, their only conception of each other is that the 'other' is so unequivocally wrong that the "true" explanation for how another person can be so wrong is that they are somehow fundamentally corrupt, be it morally, intellectually, spiritually, whatever. so there's no real intelligent public discourse in america anymore, unless it's between people who already agree with each other. and it's not hard to see how that just turns into people psyching each other up to hate the 'other' more.

baraka

Rue D'Awakening wrote:

political discourse in america is so polarized, it's almost like the left and the right don't speak the same language. they each get their information from what amounts to propaganda, their only conception of each other is that the 'other' is so unequivocally wrong that the "true" explanation for how another person can be so wrong is that they are somehow fundamentally corrupt, be it morally, intellectually, spiritually, whatever. so there's no real intelligent public discourse in america anymore, unless it's between people who already agree with each other. and it's not hard to see how that just turns into people psyching each other up to hate the 'other' more.

I understand what you are saying. It's rare to find intelligent discourse anymore. And sometimes those on each end of the political spectrum spew the same hate and intolerance. But, it's not all. The 'fringe' usually make a bigger stink, but I think you'd find that most of America tends to fall right in the middle when it comes to politics, for better or for worse. And really, with the exception of social issues, the republicans and democrats are not all that different. Clinton was a 'moderate' really. He wasn't overly liberal.

Nothingman54

The only thing I agree with is "dont marry a mulsim" and here is why...... my sister has been dating a muslim for 4 years now and about once a month he beats the shit out of her, last month he put her head into a wall. Her head went through the wall, and everytime he beats her he says "this is how we do it in my dads country"which is Pakistan. his brother is the same way and so is his father. They have no respect for women and they are control freaks. I dont mean "they" as in all muslims but I havent meet many who where not like that. My sister should have left him a long time ago, but evey time she says the same thing "It wasnt his fault" the tipikal thing a beaten women would say. Thats why I feel the way I do.

sourdough

I do know many muslims and do not know any who beat their women. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't think that it is fair to characterize muslims as women beaters. Violence against women does not discriminate much along religious lines. Christians, atheists and many others beat women as well.

darkcrow

Nothingman54 wrote:

The only thing I agree with is "dont marry a mulsim" and here is why...... my sister has been dating a muslim for 4 years now and about once a month he beats the shit out of her, last month he put her head into a wall. Her head went through the wall, and everytime he beats her he says "this is how we do it in my dads country"which is Pakistan. his brother is the same way and so is his father. They have no respect for women and they are control freaks. I dont mean "they" as in all muslims but I havent meet many who where not like that. My sister should have left him a long time ago, but evey time she says the same thing "It wasnt his fault" the tipikal thing a beaten women would say. Thats why I feel the way I do.

firstly i feel very sorry for your sister... i have a sister and i know that if her guy touched her i would make sure he would never be able to do it again...

all that aside... men of all religions and done beat their women... i understand your feelings but i think it;d be wrong to use it as a "muslim men beat their women"... a lot of my muslim mates have been very resepectful their girlfriends.

Nothingman54

darkcrow wrote:

firstly i feel very sorry for your sister... i have a sister and i know that if her guy touched her i would make sure he would never be able to do it again...

all that aside... men of all religions and done beat their women... i understand your feelings but i think it;d be wrong to use it as a "muslim men beat their women"... a lot of my muslim mates have been very resepectful their girlfriends.

I know not all muslim men beat women and I know it happens with whites blacks and ect. Im just saying me personaly I have not meet many muslims were not controling. Im not saying I hate muslims or anything. As I was typing I started to get pissed off, but I dont mean to offend anybody. And I told him it better not happen again.

PaperPlates

Rue D'Awakening wrote:

what i'd like to know is what the fuck a public school was doing having a religious group like that come in the first place.

leave it to FOX news to not even mention that this violates the separation between church and state.

http://enloehs.wcpss.net/info/enloeprofile.pdf


not 100% sure, but I dont think separation of church and state applies to a non-public school.

Commy

sourdough wrote:

I do know many muslims and do not know any who beat their women. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't think that it is fair to characterize muslims as women beaters. Violence against women does not discriminate much along religious lines. Christians, atheists and many others beat women as well.

you know, my neighbor is Muslim, and he married someone I have known my entire life. I know's he's hit her before, and he treats his daughter very badly. He is garbage, as far as human beings go.


Having put that out there, he doesn't represent all Muslims. He's just an asshole. To tell kids in school that all Muslims are like this is misleading, and creating a dangerous stereotype.

Ahnimus

I wouldn't marry a muslim. I wouldn't marry a christian, I wouldn't marry a jew and I wouldn't marry an atheist. I won't marry.

Certainly, if I was going to "marry" someone it wouldn't be someone with a view of reality so different than mine. That goes for many atheists too.

South of Seattle

I will not marry a muslim man . . . . nor any man for that matter

Ahnimus

South of Seattle wrote:

I will not marry a muslim man . . . . nor any man for that matter

That's what you say now, I bet one week in San Francisco would change that. :P